From WDW To DL With Love - January 06, 2011

[orlandothebeagle]

Welcome!

I just got off the Magic yesterday and had a Great trip with my friends Monica and Cheri. We dubbed the cruise "The trip of the handsome men"..........for example......

....see what I mean?

Actually, there is one big difference between the Wonder and the Magic now, since the Wonder has had the Cove Cafe/Overlook bar area completely redone into a two story adult lounge. All in preparation for those Alaska sailings. As I spent a good deal of time in Cove Cafe last week I am really looking forward to being on the Wonder next year.

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Missed you, welcome home.

Hello everyone!
I just changed our March '11 cruise over to this one! We wanted to book the Panama Canal when we booked the March one (on the Magic last month) but we didn't think DH could swing that much vacation time at once. However, he discussed it with them and they said that they can probably do it. We won't know for sure until late spring/early summer but they sounded really positive about it. I'm worried that the prices of this cruise will go up so I wanted to go ahead and get locked in. We are booked in a GTY 11B. The only other cruise we've been on we were in a Cat 9. I hope I'm not disappointed in the inside but all that matters is that we're on the boat!

We were going to be celebrating my birthday at Disneyland prior to the March '11 cruise and then both of the kid's birthdays would fall during the cruise. Plus, we were meeting up with some friends we met on the Dec cruise. However, we feel like we can't pass up on cruising through the Panama with Disney. The Panama was our first choice anyway. So glad it looks like it's going to work out!

DD will be 11 and DS will be 4 when we cruise. Both of the kids said they would be willing to trade in having birthdays on the cruise and time at DL for a longer cruise! Never thought I would hear that out of DD as she is a Disney Park nut like me. However, I think we were ALL bitten by the DCL bug in Dec! We can't wait!!! DD is disappointed that she won't be seeing her new friend though but she understands the opportunity that we have.

BTW, I am interested in doing the FE exchange and the certificates. Sounds like all that stuff will be organized as it gets closer to the PIF dates.

welcome

We as a group, now hold 8.21% of the available staterooms. I've got a good hunk of the updates done (The list is at least current) and will be working on the room map and pictures later. I had a minor emergency home repair to do today that killed my free time (Garbage disposal sprung an internal leak so I had to replace it).

Thats a shame but at least its fixed.
Alan, so in airbus the pilots dont land the planes????
Well, after reading the sully autobiog the flight that landed in /on hudson he done a fine job landing and that was no computer
Im not saying any more cause I dont do planes I do animals, please just let me think the pilots land the planes and leave it at that:

10 hours till I finish work now.

 

[aan1701]

We as a group, now hold 8.21% of the available staterooms. I've got a good hunk of the updates done (The list is at least current) and will be working on the room map and pictures later. I had a minor emergency home repair to do today that killed my free time (Garbage disposal sprung an internal leak so I had to replace it).

That is a great stat Jeff. Thanks for figuring it out.

 

[orlandothebeagle]

thanks Alan

 

[aan1701]

thanks Alan

Sorry, you lost me here.

 

[A Litle Pixie Dust]

Hi everyone!

Welcome to the new familes joining us!

We are home from our weekend at the Grand Californian Villas... the Grand Villa was wonderful! The view of DCA was terrific! We got to see them test the water show after park closing and eanjoyed watching that (nothing made sense as it was just bits and pieces but fun still - lots of construction going on.)

I will post some pictures from the weekend of the room when I get a chance..I still have to unpack (we brought food for the 12 of us staying there so I have alot to unpack and put away along with clothes) My DD had a birthday slumber party on Friday night there and last night we had friends and family come to do a joint birthday celebration for DD and myself.

We are off to walk of the neighborhood to sell Girl Scout cookies! DD is doing well but along way to go to her goal of 1500 boxes. One nice thing this year, we have the Gift of Caring program.. people can "purchase" cookies for Operation Gratitude (the military troops) and some local shelters so that option is helping her sell some additional cookies.

I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend! We need to decide tonight where and when we are staying before the cruise..our 11 month window is coming up!

 

[orlandothebeagle]

Sorry, you lost me here.

I said" please just let me think the pilot lands the plane and leave it at that" and you did, you never corrected me and you obviously know way more than me, ignorance is bliss as they say.

 

[shushh]

For the previous WB Panama Canal Cruisers...

Do you remember/know if DCL offered onboard airline check-in for international flights out of LAX?

 

[aan1701]

I said" please just let me think the pilot lands the plane and leave it at that" and you did, you never corrected me and you obviously know way more than me, ignorance is bliss as they say.

Ah that one went over my head. Now I get it. You are so right about ignorance.

 

[aan1701]

For the previous WB Panama Canal Cruisers...

Do you remember/know if DCL offered onboard airline check-in for international flights out of LAX?

I think there was something. We got a letter in our room about flights and onboard check in, but because we live in Los Angeles I did not pay much attention to it. If I find it I will let you know.

 

[shushh]

I think there was something. We got a letter in our room about flights and onboard check in, but because we live in Los Angeles I did not pay much attention to it. If I find it I will let you know.

Thank you! Much appreciated.

 

[Tigfanjeff]

I said" please just let me think the pilot lands the plane and leave it at that" and you did, you never corrected me and you obviously know way more than me, ignorance is bliss as they say.

Long story short.

On Airbii (Plural of airbus) there is a computer that sits between the pilot and the flight controls on the wings, elevator and rudder. That computer implements what is called "Flight Envelope Protection". It ensures that the pilot can't do things like stall the plane, roll it too fast or do all kinds of little things.

In almost all cases, the pilot is still landing the plane (I'll get into this in a minute) and his inputs are being passed by the computer 100% of the time without correction. In an emergency however, this system helps prevent the pilot from doing things that would cause an even bigger problem by keeping him within the flight envelope. Boeing aircraft do not have this system and the pilots inputs are always passed 100% to the flight controls as input by the pilot.

There are exceptions to this however. For example, when Captain Sullenberger executed his water ditching (Which to this day is an amazing feat) a lot of people credited the airbus flight envelope protection. However, once both engines are lost and the system is running off backup power, it reverts to what is called "Alternate Law" where it is basically passing commands 100% with no corrections. That landing was entirely the captain's and not the computers.

Now, regarding landing the plane. There are systems for autolanding. They are used in Category III instrument approaches (Used when you basically can't see your hand in front of your face) and require specially equipped aircraft, specially trained crews and specially equipped airports. This system is on both Airbus and Boeing aircraft.

Hope this helps with the discussion.

 

[glindamood]

For the previous WB Panama Canal Cruisers...

Do you remember/know if DCL offered onboard airline check-in for international flights out of LAX?

I am so hoping they do - I don't need an international flight but that is the most convenient service. With our arrival time, I am curious what time they will say we should even book our tickets. I am not up for a red-eye so I hope I can find something in the early afternoon.

Well, here we are at another Monday - and one Monday closer. Cold here - like 3 but the sun it trying to shine. Quiet weekend here, David went to camp and is going back again today to teach wilderness survival (at least I think that is what he is teaching) to some middle school students from downstate. It will be an experience for everyone, I am sure.

 

[MommaluvsDis]

FE Exchange is another one of those things that it was suggested we hold off on until final payment is made due to folks coming in and out. So tinksmom is probably waiting until then, also, to get organized.

I just don't like to fly period. So I fly exclusively Southwest, if I have to fly, one reason we canceled the transatlantic.

Lynne, did I remember to say I loved your Switzerland photos? How was the skiing? Where and what did you eat?

Hi Linda,

The reason I suggested that Carol go ahead and mention the dry erase boards is because we have so many "across the pond" fellow cruisers that were discussing how they were going to participate in the FE while following the ever restrictive flight rules.

I'm sure she knows that some people will decide not to participate and some will decide to join between now and the time she has to lock it in. In fact, that's already happening.

We discussed that, at this point, she's just throwing it out there and that she plans to contact tinksmom as time gets closer to locking this in.

We all still have several months to go, sadly!! Can't wait to meet you and all my new fellow cruisers.

Come on January!

 

[WeLuvDCL]

Hi everyone. Sorry I've been MIA for a while. Just wanted to post so you know we are still going and don't take us off the list.

We will be staying at DVC Wilderness Lodge next week for DD birthday.

Jeff, Please let me know when you are working next week and we'll see if we are lucky enough to catch a ride on your monorail.

I'll try to post more after vacation and birthday playdate and family party are over.

 

[Tigfanjeff]

Hi everyone. Sorry I've been MIA for a while. Just wanted to post so you know we are still going and don't take us off the list.

We will be staying at DVC Wilderness Lodge next week for DD birthday.

Jeff, Please let me know when you are working next week and we'll see if we are lucky enough to catch a ride on your monorail.

I'll try to post more after vacation and birthday playdate and family party are over.

Right now I don't have anything scheduled. I'm going to try and pick up a shift on 2/15 (Holiday for me) if I can.

 

[orlandothebeagle]

Long story short.

On Airbii (Plural of airbus) there is a computer that sits between the pilot and the flight controls on the wings, elevator and rudder. That computer implements what is called "Flight Envelope Protection". It ensures that the pilot can't do things like stall the plane, roll it too fast or do all kinds of little things.

In almost all cases, the pilot is still landing the plane (I'll get into this in a minute) and his inputs are being passed by the computer 100% of the time without correction. In an emergency however, this system helps prevent the pilot from doing things that would cause an even bigger problem by keeping him within the flight envelope. Boeing aircraft do not have this system and the pilots inputs are always passed 100% to the flight controls as input by the pilot.

There are exceptions to this however. For example, when Captain Sullenberger executed his water ditching (Which to this day is an amazing feat) a lot of people credited the airbus flight envelope protection. However, once both engines are lost and the system is running off backup power, it reverts to what is called "Alternate Law" where it is basically passing commands 100% with no corrections. That landing was entirely the captain's and not the computers.

Now, regarding landing the plane. There are systems for autolanding. They are used in Category III instrument approaches (Used when you basically can't see your hand in front of your face) and require specially equipped aircraft, specially trained crews and specially equipped airports. This system is on both Airbus and Boeing aircraft.

Hope this helps with the discussion.

Very,very interesting.

 

[aan1701]

Long story short.

On Airbii (Plural of airbus) there is a computer that sits between the pilot and the flight controls on the wings, elevator and rudder. That computer implements what is called "Flight Envelope Protection". It ensures that the pilot can't do things like stall the plane, roll it too fast or do all kinds of little things.

In almost all cases, the pilot is still landing the plane (I'll get into this in a minute) and his inputs are being passed by the computer 100% of the time without correction. In an emergency however, this system helps prevent the pilot from doing things that would cause an even bigger problem by keeping him within the flight envelope. Boeing aircraft do not have this system and the pilots inputs are always passed 100% to the flight controls as input by the pilot.

There are exceptions to this however. For example, when Captain Sullenberger executed his water ditching (Which to this day is an amazing feat) a lot of people credited the airbus flight envelope protection. However, once both engines are lost and the system is running off backup power, it reverts to what is called "Alternate Law" where it is basically passing commands 100% with no corrections. That landing was entirely the captain's and not the computers.

Now, regarding landing the plane. There are systems for autolanding. They are used in Category III instrument approaches (Used when you basically can't see your hand in front of your face) and require specially equipped aircraft, specially trained crews and specially equipped airports. This system is on both Airbus and Boeing aircraft.

Hope this helps with the discussion.

When it comes to Cat. III aproches, all of our pilots are trained for them as all but 4 of our aircraft are set up for the Cat. III aporoch. Still on all takeoffs and landings our pilots are hand flying the aircraft and that is what makes me feel safe. Just like you are hand driving the Monorail in bad weather. That computer may be credited with saving a buch of flights, but it is also the cause of many Airbus incidents. Like the first flight of the A319 I believe. The computer was not reading something and the plane hardly climbed and fell right out of the air. The most reasent Air France incident is also starting to be blamed in that computer. The big diffierance between the two is that their is a checklist to turn off the computer in a Airbus, in a Boeing aircraft all you do is turn off the autopilot by flicking a switch. No checklist required.

 

[LindaBabe]

Hi Linda,

The reason I suggested that Carol go ahead and mention the dry erase boards is because we have so many "across the pond" fellow cruisers that were discussing how they were going to participate in the FE while following the ever restrictive flight rules.

I'm sure she knows that some people will decide not to participate and some will decide to join between now and the time she has to lock it in. In fact, that's already happening.

We discussed that, at this point, she's just throwing it out there and that she plans to contact tinksmom as time gets closer to locking this in.

No worries - I just threw that comment out there since the discussion about white boards may have left some new people wondering about the status of FE gifts.

 

[orlandothebeagle]

When it comes to Cat. III aproches, all of our pilots are trained for them as all but 4 of our aircraft are set up for the Cat. III aporoch. Still on all takeoffs and landings our pilots are hand flying the aircraft and that is what makes me feel safe. Just like you are hand driving the Monorail in bad weather. That computer may be credited with saving a buch of flights, but it is also the cause of many Airbus incidents. Like the first flight of the A319 I believe. The computer was not reading something and the plane hardly climbed and fell right out of the air. The most reasent Air France incident is also starting to be blamed in that computer. The big diffierance between the two is that their is a checklist to turn off the computer in a Airbus, in a Boeing aircraft all you do is turn off the autopilot by flicking a switch. No checklist required.

I like check lists, funnily enough, we have just implemented a aircraft check list for nhs ............


Surgeons To Cut NHS Blunders With Checklist
8:41am UK, Monday February 01, 2010

Thomas Moore, health correspondent

A safety checklist that reduces deaths and complications during operations must now be used in all NHS hospitals.
Surgeons will have to double-check their patient's identity, diagnosis and proposed treatment.

The checklist was devised by the World Health Organisation.

Research in eight hospitals around the globe has shown that it reduces major complications and deaths by more than a third.

According to the NHS National Patient Safety Agency, in 2007 there were 129,000 reported surgical errors, which resulted in severe harm to more than 1,000 patients and the deaths of 271.


I will probably save more lives by checking that every patient gets the right treatment... than any piece of research.

Consultant surgeon Anne Pullyblank

Anne Pullyblank, consultant surgeon at the North Bristol NHS Trust, has been pioneering an adapted form of the checklist in her operating theatre.

She said mistakes in the NHS were rare, but could result in serious consequences, such as patients having the wrong kidney removed.

Her team of doctors and nurses now gather around the anaesthetised patient before starting the operation to ensure the procedure is properly understood.

They then check that appropriate medication has been given to reduce the risk of infections and blood clots.

Miss Pullyblank told Sky News: "In the beginning, people laughed at me because it is obsessive and a fairly basic thing to do.


We are all human. We are liable to make errors. And, on that one occasion when you make that error, it could be fatal.

Airline pilot Pete Thomas, of Air2Med Consultants

"But I truly believe that as a surgeon I will probably save more lives by checking that every patient gets the right treatment and the right operation than any piece of research that I could do as a surgeon in my lifetime."

The safety protocol has been inspired by the pre-flight checks routine in the airline industry.

Modern aircraft and surgical techniques are too complex for the human brain to handle. A step-by-step list of basic safety measures can prevent errors.

Airline pilot Pete Thomas, of Air2Med Consultants, has been working with several NHS Trusts to improve safety.

He said: "We are all human. We are liable to make errors. And, on that one occasion when you make that error, it could be fatal.

"So this just encompasses and traps all those errors by making sure you have the discipline to go through that checklist."





after I read "sullys " book I was inspired to do my own pre GA check list in the vets.

It totally works, all very thought provoking!!



Ofcourse humans anre better than computers, I like both!

 

[orlandothebeagle]

And of course, if they had got in the car(as ba did) and checked the runway way there would be no need to sue continental , computers could not have sorted that!!!!