FP + What we know and what we want to know

[Cinderumbrella]

There will be four of us on our next trip, will we all be able to select different fast passes or do we all have to do he same things?

Since you are currently allowed to pull separate FP's with the paper, on demand system, I wouldn't expect the electronic in advance system to be any different.

It appears each ticket holder is going to have to have their own My Disney Experience account (either separate or as a "managed" account). And I would presume that they can select what they want. There should be no reason that each party would have to select all the same. (Just don't expect each party to pick something different but still go on all the same rides together.)

HTH!

 

[mom2rtk]

Exactly! The way it was currently was that the two teens could potentially split from their family, at least for a few hours and just keep riding the Mountains until they puked, with the help of FP's. One parent could take the toddler to Fantasyland for IASW, Peter Pan and Dumbo FP's, while the other parent grabbed FP's for whatever the 8 year olds wanted to do (what do 8 years old want to see/do at MK? ) It worked for everyone

Or maybe ......just once......... you could use a round of FP for every family member to allow your Mountain crazed tween to ride Space over and over!


BWAAAHHHHAHHAHHAHAHH!

 

[Planogirl]

I think that by advantages you are referring to the current FP system that works well for your family. I don't see it as any different than removing an attraction and replacing it with a new one.

Your family used to really enjoy that old ride and now see it as a bad thing. But the new ride will potentially attract a million new guests who never rode that old ride.

They are changing the experience in a way that they can market much more easily to the masses, even though it's going to disappoint a lot of their repeat visitors.

I don't see how anyone can see being limited to 3 fastpasses with possibly just one 1 headliner as simply a new attraction. Will the new visitor really look at the list of rides and say that they're so glad to be able to ride one headliner without a lengthy wait? Maybe I give people too much credit...

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Or maybe ......just once......... you could use a round of FP for every family member to allow your Mountain crazed tween to ride Space over and over!


BWAAAHHHHAHHAHHAHAHH!

That's FP abuse and won't be tolerated!

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Or maybe ......just once......... you could use a round of FP for every family member to allow your Mountain crazed tween to ride Space over and over!


BWAAAHHHHAHHAHHAHAHH!

I am SHOCKED and APPALLED at this suggestion!!
























(Please ignore my avatar, my tag and virtually every other post I have made in regards to this matter!

 

[dadddio]

bcrook, could you add a link to this post to the first post. It is a more accurate analysis to the discussion as the origional analysis that you linked was based on only resort guest being able to use FP+.

I seriously don't see how, once FP+ is fully implemented, they will be able to hold ANY back for same day. The Math just doesn't support the ability to do that.

Take the example of Space Mountain. My initial analysis was based on only resort guests being able to use FP+. I've revised that analysis below to reflect everyone visiting WDW being able to use FP+

Assumptions:
Park open from 9am - midnight : 15 hours
Ride operating at 90% efficiency
FPs take approx 80% of the ride capacity
Park Capacity : 100k.
Park is 75% full
33% of guest want a SpaM FP+
Only 75% of them book SpaM FP+.

THRC (Theoricial Hourly Ride Capacity) : 2000
Actual Hourly Ride Capacity : 1800
Daily Ride Capacity : 27k
Total FPs available : 21.6k

Total Guests : 75k
Guests wanting FP+ for SpaM : 24.75k

Number of FPs that they are short : 3.15k

If you hold some back for day of you create one of two scenarios. 1) Some people get an advanced FP+ for SpaM, then get another one the day of. or 2) People who get an advanced FP+ for SpaM can't get one day of. If that is the scenario, they why not make them all available for advanced reservations? I just don't see how FP and FP+ can coexist.

Here is an example with Epcot:

Epcot FP Analysis

These numbers are based on high season operating hours.

To summarize:
Attraction / Ride Capacity / #FPs
Soarin' / 24k / 19.2k
Test Track / 27k / 21.6k
Mission Space / 26k / 21k

Total FPs avaliable (for the headliners) at Epcot on a high season day :
61.8k.

Park capacity for Epcot is somewhere around 75k (probably bigger). It's true that a lot of people won't want to ride all three, but it is a pretty safe bet that everyone will want to ride at least one of the three.

Your math is flawed. Your numbers all assume that all people want a FP to those rides. My children aren't even allowed to ride those rides. Loads of other people either can't or don't want to ride those rides. Still more people can ride them, but don't love them enough to waste a FP on them.

 

[mesaboy2]

As I said twice yesterday, this definition of abuse is still ridiculous. Despite what some say--I don't care who they are or what they purport to know.

This whole discussion is tiresome. I wish Disney would just do it already and get it over with. Then I'll game the system to my family's maximum benefit however I please, and within the "rules".

 

[dadddio]

If you want a response, please don't tell me what I am allowed to say.

Your insensitivity and rudeness are very hurtful.

Agreed. That was rude of me. I apologize. Feel free to post that they are being unfair to you, if that's how you feel.

 

[mbrittb00]

Actually, it's fair to believe that a company would limit tests in any number of ways. Tests are tests for a reason. It's unreasonable to expect final releases to ever closely resemble what was tested.

Early on perhaps, but at some point you have to test the system as it is going to be used (or something very close to how it is going to be used). Not to is simply irresponsible. Of course considering that they haven't run a test where they prevent the participants from using FP- (which according to the T&C will defiantly be the way the system works), then maybe there ARE other details of the system that they haven't tested.

That said, based on the math, I don't see how they can give everyone more than 1 FP+ (maybe 2 at MK) for the headliners. There isn't even enough at Epcot (for instance) for everyone to get 1.

 

[MAGICFOR2]

Last summer my teens definitely had competitions and reported to us how many rides they went on and how much fun they had. BADGE OF HONOR is right.
We did find out that when it rained really hard for several hours the lines dropped to walk on. So maybe I will use some of my FP+ for booking some thunderstorms! I like them best on DHS days!

Juvenile Delinquents! And that was how they enjoyed their park day. Was it fair that other people decided not to be there in the rain Maybe they should have left because others didn't want to get wet.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

As I said twice yesterday, this definition of abuse is still ridiculous. Despite what some say.

 

[GreenCntryGirl]

How do you see this working out? You haven't really explained (and you have criticized many other scenarios). I have decisions to make in the near future, provide a new line of thinking for me please. I can only see one.

Thank you. It's nice to see I'm not the only one trying to anticipate these changes and make appropriate adjustments to my touring plan. I don't understand why that makes me "doom and gloom" or less of a Disney fan.

The Disney Infinity game "link" puts everything into perspective for me. That game rolls out this June...it was trending HIGH on Twitter during the keynote for it...I don't even play video games and I want to play this. The marketing tie-in will be huge...or at least I think it will.

I have agreed to come back and admit I'm wrong...I'm actually fervently hoping I'm wrong.

 

[brucerob62]

im glad i dont have to worry about fp plus (hopefully) in my march trip...now next year a different story most likely...give me the old fp way i can get up to 6 fp a day with old system..

 

[mbrittb00]

I don't know, those kids are the thrill seekers, they want more thrill rides. If they get one e ticket a day, I don't care what time it is - they will grumble.

Plus haven't we all agreed that limiting of FP is going to make RD even more important. Because that will be the ONLY time to ride e tickets multiple times with lower wait times. Especially now that we lost that golden hour of evening extra magic hours.

But, what does make sense if I could swing it - go in off peak times. Being a teacher that is impossible.

But they are going to use the first hour of the day to issue FP+ tickets as well. Which will cause more people to be at or near park opening, and make the lines for all the attractions during those first two hours longer.

 

[Granny square]

I apologize if this has already been brought up. I didn't read every post. Any idea how this will work with military discounted tickets? We have a room reservation in June but there are not tickets attached to the ressie. We will purchase tickets at Shades of Green upon arrival at WDW. I really hope Disney has considered the thousands of military families that vacation at WDW!

I suspect they will see no options like those who buy the youth education tickets. We did about a third less rides this trip and we will cut days next trip because of it.

 

[mbrittb00]

ITA! The question is, do the geniuses who thought up this plan realize that, or is this another group in the minority that they don't care about alienating.

Frankly, since they have said they don't want to start a ride war with US (link somewhere in this monster thread), they probably don't care. Thrill junkies and thrill junkies alone should go to a thrill ride park.

They are banking on the fact that there is so much more offered at Disney in addition to a thrill ride, that they will keep coming anyway, at least for part of an Orlando stay. 4 days at WDW and 3 days at US is still better for Disney then no days at WDW. For that segment of folks, perhaps that is a good enough % for the Disney Brass.

Yeah, but which is better for Disney, 7 days at WDW and 2 or 3 days at US, or 4 days at WDW and 4 or 5 days at US? The former has been us, the latter could become us.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

But they are going to use the first hour of the day to issue FP+ tickets as well. Which will cause more people to be at or near park opening, and make the lines for all the attractions during those first two hours longer.

Forget about the new batch of folks who will come at RD (if that would even be significant).

Think about how much slower the standby line is going to be in the first hour now that the FP line will be there. Do you really think TSMM and Soarin (in particular) are going to move as fast then as they do now between 9 and 9:40 am??

 

[dadddio]

Early on perhaps, but at some point you have to test the system as it is going to be used (or something very close to how it is going to be used). Not to is simply irresponsible. Of course considering that they haven't run a test where they prevent the participants from using FP- (which according to the T&C will defiantly be the way the system works), then maybe there ARE other details of the system that they haven't tested.

That said, based on the math, I don't see how they can give everyone more than 1 FP+ (maybe 2 at MK) for the headliners. There isn't even enough at Epcot (for instance) for everyone to get 1.

Again, as long as they had enough people in the test go didn't use FP, they don't need to run a test specifically forbidding it.

Also, you are making the same math mistake as the other person in assuming that every guest wants a FP to these big rides. It should also be noted that the argument that there isn't enough FPs to go around works the other way, also. If there weren't enough to go around then they definitely would want to implement a plan to spread then out so the greater number of people are satisfied

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Yeah, but which is better for Disney, 7 days at WDW and 2 or 3 days at US, or 4 days at WDW and 4 or 5 days at US? The former has been us, the latter could become us.

Again, Evil Disney Executive Hat in Place...

You are such a SMALL minority that we don't care...


(Still not buying that we are that small of a minority if we managed to mess up FP for everyone)

 

[mom2rtk]

But they are going to use the first hour of the day to issue FP+ tickets as well. Which will cause more people to be at or near park opening, and make the lines for all the attractions during those first two hours longer.

This is the piece of it that is most perplexing to me. Every single thing we know about touring Disney could now be changing. It might not, because that would require a change in human behavior. But it sure might.

Rope drop might only mean quick access to one ride instead of a full hour or two of great access.

Previously easy access attractions (HM, Philharmagic, etc.) might now have a steady stream of FP+ folks slowing the standby line.

It sort of makes my head hurt just to think about it. But then if those folks have used 1 FP for HM and one at 9 AM for Space, then they are relegated to standby most of the rest of the day. And what does that even MEAN to the wait times?

I'll be happy to study this one from afar for while.

bcrook....... what is the rest of your party saying about all of this? Or have you shared your concerns?