FP + What we know and what we want to know

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Pigletto status update after ignoring all FP+ threads for the last few weeks.

I'm still confused.:rotfl:

Carry on:surfweb:
 
No, it's the complete disregard for other guests enjoyment of the park that troubles me.

Not every guest knew the FP tricks and that you had to be there at rope drop. How is leveling the playing field so that no one NEEDS inside info to enjoy the attraction some great evil?

Saying "I deserve it and other people don't" is selfish and boorish behavior.

The good news is that in a few weeks the system will start being rolled out and some folks are going to have to scurry back under their rocks.

Again, do not understand why people now think they are some how entitled now to never have to wait in a line longer than 15 minutes.

Isn't that what the doom and gloomers want? (more fast passes as a reward for getting to RD)

I see a bunch of posts decrying that it isn't fair how Disney is making people change their touring style. I don't see any individuals being made to feel bad for their current touring styles.

It should also be noted that just because the company MIGHT be using FP+ to force 'superusers' to change their touring styles doesn't mean that those 'superusers' are doing anything inherently wrong. They are merely using the system as it is designed. When the new system comes out, we will all work to make sure that we are using it to our maximum benefit. There isn't anything wrong with that.

Just a few of the examples of a few that are trying to make us feel bad or that we are doing something wrong by being there at RD and making the best use of the FP system. I've never thought that Disney said that about us "super-users". I also have not seen anyone state that they should have all the FPs and others should not. Just that if they want the same chances as me, then get to the park at the same time I do and spend the day there. It is not hard to find out info about FP! If more did this instead of complaining about us "super-users" getting ALL the FP's then this would have cut down on what each person would have been able to get. If I get less pass because more show up for RD, then it is what it is. I don't feel like Disney is leveling the playing field as much as they are patting the others on their head and say "its okay, you can sleep in as late as you want and still have some FPs. We limited those that are willing to get up and do RP and saved them for you"

When we pull into the parking lot first thing in the morning, should we be made to leave open spots close to the gate for those that want to show up late. The attitude of a few on here has been.."how dare we get there early and take up all those front row parking places!! I should be able to show up whenever I want and still get a nice close parking spot" Maybe that is the next thing Disney should start making us plan 60 days out! :rotfl2:
 
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When we pull into the parking lot first thing in the morning, should we be made to leave open spots close to the gate for those that want to show up late. The attitude of a few on here has been.."how dare we get there early and take up all those front row parking places!! I should be able to show up whenever I want and still get a nice close parking spot" Maybe that is the next thing Disney should start making us plan 60 days out! :rotfl2:

:)excellent illustration!
 
Just a few of the examples of a few that are trying to make us feel bad or that we are doing something wrong by being there at RD and making the best use of the FP system. I've never thought that Disney said that about us "super-users". I also have not seen anyone state that they should have all the FPs and others should not. Just that if they want the same chances as me, then get to the park at the same time I do and spend the day there. It is not hard to find out info about FP! If more did this instead of complaining about us "super-users" getting ALL the FP's then this would have cut down on what each person would have been able to get. If I get less pass because more show up for RD, then it is what it is. I don't feel like Disney is leveling the playing field as much as they are patting the others on their head and say "its okay, you can sleep in as late as you want and still have some FPs. We limited those that are willing to get up and do RP and saved them for you"

When we pull into the parking lot first thing in the morning, should we be made to leave open spots close to the gate for those that want to show up late. The attitude of a few on here has been.."how dare we get there early and take up all those front row parking places!! I should be able to show up whenever I want and still get a nice close parking spot" Maybe that is the next thing Disney should start making us plan 60 days out! :rotfl2:

How's your motherboard? Is there smoke billowing out the sides? :teeth:
 
Just a few of the examples of a few that are trying to make us feel bad or that we are doing something wrong by being there at RD and making the best use of the FP system. I've never thought that Disney said that about us "super-users". I also have not seen anyone state that they should have all the FPs and others should not. Just that if they want the same chances as me, then get to the park at the same time I do and spend the day there. It is not hard to find out info about FP! If more did this instead of complaining about us "super-users" getting ALL the FP's then this would have cut down on what each person would have been able to get. If I get less pass because more show up for RD, then it is what it is. I don't feel like Disney is leveling the playing field as much as they are patting the others on their head and say "its okay, you can sleep in as late as you want and still have some FPs. We limited those that are willing to get up and do RP and saved them for you"

When we pull into the parking lot first thing in the morning, should we be made to leave open spots close to the gate for those that want to show up late. The attitude of a few on here has been.."how dare we get there early and take up all those front row parking places!! I should be able to show up whenever I want and still get a nice close parking spot" Maybe that is the next thing Disney should start making us plan 60 days out! :rotfl2:

Because you quoted me directly, I will respond.

I think there is nothing wrong with people now or in the past taking advantage of the FP system to the fullest extent that Disney allows with a few exceptions:

1. I think it is wrong to pull FPs for the expressed purpose of spreading some "pixie dust" to others. Disney doesnt need a secondary distribution system of FPs and it stops certain people from pulling an FP on their own.
2. The FPs say on the back that they are non-transferable and not for sale. When people give away FPs as "pixie dust", they are violating that rule. Funny how people dont think that the should follow that rule but say they always follow Disney rules. Irony is lost on them.
3. I think it is one thing to do research and "put in the work" to maximize FPs and your touring but it is quite another to push the established rules to see what you can get away with and then exploit in the future as illustrated in this post in this thread:

LOL ,yeah...we all know THOSE people...:eek:
I still get as many as we can...even if we dont use them
I have found that the "15 min" grace period is really more like 20-30.
We havnt been denied yet..being somewhat late..:thumbsup2
But, i get fast passes for all of us...EXACTLY almost to the minute..when the ticket says we can. Use them or not.

And I stand by what I said. I think people think they are entitled to tour the way they have in the past with no waits longer than 20 minutes. One poster even said, they think the money they pay for admission entitles them.

I understand this thought process and Disney frankly helped create the monster they now seem to be complaining about now and trying to fix.
 
And I stand by what I said. I think people think they are entitled to tour the way they have in the past with no waits longer than 20 minutes. One poster even said, they think the money they pay for admission entitles them.

In the past I've paid $x for a box of widgets, that come y in a box.

Now, a box of widges is going up in price.

In fact, I'm paying $x+a for a box of widgets. I open the box, and find there are y-b widgets in the box.

Who wouldn't be upset?
 
When we pull into the parking lot first thing in the morning, should we be made to leave open spots close to the gate for those that want to show up late? The attitude of a few on here has been.."how dare we get there early and take up all those front row parking places!! I should be able to show up whenever I want and still get a nice close parking spot" Maybe that is the next thing Disney should start making us plan 60 days out! :rotfl2:

This has to be the best post on this thread. The analogy is perfect.

I find the complaints about "super-users" hilarious. You never needed a PhD in Astrophysics to reach such a lofty status. All you had to do was get your butt to the park for RD, get a FP and keep getting FPs. For crying out loud, the time you are allowed to get another FP is printed on the FP. The idea that this system is too complicated for people to figure out is really scary.
 
In the past I've paid $x for a box of widgets, that come y in a box.

Now, a box of widges is going up in price.

In fact, I'm paying $x+a for a box of widgets. I open the box, and find there are y-b widgets in the box.

Who wouldn't be upset?


Hey....nobody said there would be algebra!!!
 
Just a few of the examples of a few that are trying to make us feel bad or that we are doing something wrong by being there at RD and making the best use of the FP system. I've never thought that Disney said that about us "super-users". I also have not seen anyone state that they should have all the FPs and others should not. Just that if they want the same chances as me, then get to the park at the same time I do and spend the day there. It is not hard to find out info about FP! If more did this instead of complaining about us "super-users" getting ALL the FP's then this would have cut down on what each person would have been able to get. If I get less pass because more show up for RD, then it is what it is. I don't feel like Disney is leveling the playing field as much as they are patting the others on their head and say "its okay, you can sleep in as late as you want and still have some FPs. We limited those that are willing to get up and do RP and saved them for you"

When we pull into the parking lot first thing in the morning, should we be made to leave open spots close to the gate for those that want to show up late. The attitude of a few on here has been.."how dare we get there early and take up all those front row parking places!! I should be able to show up whenever I want and still get a nice close parking spot" Maybe that is the next thing Disney should start making us plan 60 days out! :rotfl2:

If you are looking to me to defend anything that Rob has posted, you are looking in the wrong place. That being said, I think that many of those posts were related to (individual powerusers/uberusers/superusers/elite) decrying that this is changing how they prefer to tour, not that their current method is inherently wrong or that they are 'bad'.

That being said, it's not about us abusing the system or 'leveling the playing field' in some sort of 'socialist' way. Its about making the most people happy. The company doesn't have to care about how much we 'work' to benefit the most from the current FP system. They only have to care about how to make the FP system work for the most people so that customer satisfaction is maximized. To put it Robo's way, several years ago, the company put in a fix to how the lines worked. That fix was FP. Unfortunately, FP didn't apparently assist the bulk of guests in a way that the company envisioned, so they are putting in a fix to that fix. The new fix is called FP+.
 
I find the complaints about "super-users" hilarious. You never needed a PhD in Astrophysics to reach such a lofty status. All you had to do was get your butt to the park for RD, get a FP and keep getting FPs. For crying out loud, the time you are allowed to get another FP is printed on the FP. The idea that this system is too complicated for people to figure out is really scary.

If Disney really had a probem with people using up too much FP inventory early in the day, all they had to do was keep the lock-out period at 2 hours, regardless of the return time of your previous FP. It is the quick turnaround that has made morning so successful for FP users.
 
If you are looking to me to defend anything that Rob has posted, you are looking in the wrong place. That being said, I think that many of those posts were related to (individual powerusers/uberusers/superusers/elite) decrying that this is changing how they prefer to tour, not that their current method is inherently wrong or that they are 'bad'.

That being said, it's not about us abusing the system or 'leveling the playing field' in some sort of 'socialist' way. Its about making the most people happy. The company doesn't have to care about how much we 'work' to benefit the most from the current FP system. They only have to care about how to make the FP system work for the most people so that customer satisfaction is maximized. To put it Robo's way, several years ago, the company put in a fix to how the lines worked. That fix was FP. Unfortunately, FP didn't apparently assist the bulk of guests in a way that the company envisioned, so they are putting in a fix to that fix. The new fix is called FP+.

You can lead a horse to water....

Basic concepts of how FP works has been ignored by thousands of park guests a day even though it's printed on every park map and explained on every resort TV. I've yet to see how FP+ is going to make that group any more likely to use it.

:goodvibes
 
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1. I think it is wrong to pull FPs for the expressed purpose of spreading some "pixie dust" to others. Disney doesnt need a secondary distribution system of FPs and it stops certain people from pulling an FP on their own.

I understand this thought process and Disney frankly helped create the monster they now seem to be complaining about now and trying to fix.

How many people do you think are really pulling FPs for the purpose of giving them away? Perhaps I am more misanthropic than you, but in my experience at WDW, I have observed that people are primarily interested in themselves to the exclusion of most everything else. While I'm sure such do-gooders exist, they have to be a tiny and insignificant percentage of all park goers.

The idea that these people have prompted, in any way, Disney to "fix" the FP system, is just plain funny. FP+ is about one thing - making more money for Disney. I don't say that as a criticism. Disney is a company and money is its lifeblood. You can be sure that hordes of number crunchers have shown that new FP system will lead to people spending more time in the parks (and away from the park which must not be named) and spending more in shops and on food.
 
I don't feel like Disney is leveling the playing field as much as they are patting the others on their head and say "its okay, you can sleep in as late as you want and still have some FPs. We limited those that are willing to get up and do RP and saved them for you"


Could very well be....but why ? Disney may have felt (as a result of their constant market research) that they were losing business because people were choosing not to go to WDW because they didn't feel like it was a true vacation experience if they have to get up before the sun rises every morning in order to enjoy certain things. There has been a lot of specualtion as to "why" this is being done. I'm sure it is not just one thing, but a combination of many, many things - with increased revenue being the common thread to them all.

As a DISer, and a somewhat "educated" WDW visitor who knew how to utilize FPs, I may well be negatively impacted by all this. I don't know yet. None of us know yet. But I'm not going to overreact to anything at this point (like some are). However, with a trip coming up the first week of April, I just hope (a lot) more details are available soon...real soon.
 
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