FP+ Pros/Cons

The new system helps and hurts park-hoppers like myself. It helps if we want to ride a popular ride (like Soarin or TSM) at the park we hop to, cause usually by the time we would get there the FP would run out. It hurts because we have to choose which park to make the FP reservations for.

Proposed Solution: Disney offers everyone 5 FP+ a Day but limits people to 3 per park, and only Park Hopper or AP holders, obviously, can make FP+ reservations at multiple parks on the same day. Suddenly Disney will make $59 off of everyone who upgrades to PH (more for those who upgrade to AP), and people can make reservations for multiple "headliners" each day, albeit at different parks (For example, given the current tiering, you could make reservations for BTMR, Space Mtn, Soarin, TSM, and EE all on the same day if you are a PH/AP holder and feel like hopping all over the place. Guests get more useful FP+'s and Disney makes money. Everyone wins.
 
The new system helps and hurts park-hoppers like myself. It helps if we want to ride a popular ride (like Soarin or TSM) at the park we hop to, cause usually by the time we would get there the FP would run out. It hurts because we have to choose which park to make the FP reservations for.

Proposed Solution: Disney offers everyone 5 FP+ a Day but limits people to 3 per park, and only Park Hopper or AP holders, obviously, can make FP+ reservations at multiple parks on the same day. Suddenly Disney will make $59 off of everyone who upgrades to PH (more for those who upgrade to AP), and people can make reservations for multiple "headliners" each day, albeit at different parks (For example, given the current tiering, you could make reservations for BTMR, Space Mtn, Soarin, TSM, and EE all on the same day if you are a PH/AP holder and feel like hopping all over the place. Guests get more useful FP+'s and Disney makes money. Everyone wins.

ooohhh...I like it! If only Disney would implement more than 3 FP+ reservations. Wishful thinking. Though I wish there were a way to do your solution without limiting it to PH or AP, so everyone could get that.

And I do see the benefit for those who don't want to be up early for a FP, or like you said, would want to ride a major ride later in the day. It just the idea seemed like it had good intentions, but wasn't implemented well within the parks so that everyone benefited still.
 
The fast pass plus system is for lazy rich pepole who don't want to be around the little people on vacation. To good to walk to the fast pass machines at each ride like the working class does.
 
The fast pass plus system is for lazy rich pepole who don't want to be around the little people on vacation. To good to walk to the fast pass machines at each ride like the working class does.

Seriously? :rolleyes2
 

The fast pass plus system is for lazy rich pepole who don't want to be around the little people on vacation. To good to walk to the fast pass machines at each ride like the working class does.

Huh?! That's just nuts!
 
The fast pass plus system is for lazy rich pepole who don't want to be around the little people on vacation. To good to walk to the fast pass machines at each ride like the working class does.

??????? Last time I checked, ALL visitors will eventually have full access (minus the scheduling ahead perk that ALL Disney resort guests get) to Fp+...has nothing to do with classes.
 
Just got back today. Didn't like the fastpass +. I wanted to park hop and get like one pass at one park and a fastpass at another and you can't do it. We always park hop. And didn't like the tiers. Didn't get to do toystory. Because we picked rock and roller coaste

My family and I have been to Disney like 40 times. The stand by were longer than ever. Even my husband noticed. If you didn't have fp+. You waited at least an hour. And we were at the parks by 10:00
 
Yes, I understand that and that is what I plan to do. Get there at park opening and have my FP+ in reserve as well. But what about in the evening when I'm at another park? Sure, likes can be lower in the evening, but still. It's principal. What if they're not?

And for other parks, you can still get there park opening with your FP+ in reserve, but for rides that don't have FP+, like HM, PoTC, etc...the new FP+ system will make those Stanby lines longer, earlier because travelers will have their FP+ for the bigger attractions already. So, then do I start the day with the minor rides because I have FP+ for the major rides? If so, then no, I can't ride more than once. The whole system puts everything askew and will have a ripple effect. It's seems like more planning than before.

I guess I'm spoiled? And will just have to accept that I can't ride as many rides as I used to.

But those rides DO have FP+ now, if I understand what you are saying. In fact, everything will be branded and included with FP+ so that the pool of choices are increased. Maybe not restrooms, but just about everything else :)

Of all the things Disney could do with FP+, monetizing it is not something I see them doing. Not saying they won't, just that I would be surprised if they did. I think they are creative enough to come up with a lot of other ways to realize a return on this huge investment that aren't as transparent (or simple) as additional charges for additional FP+. Because like someone already posted here or in another thread, there are only so many FP's available each day, and one sold is one less free.

So pros/cons? I think the pros will boil down to the fact you can get 3 - which is also a con for some people. At what time of the day you will be able to get them is going to depend on many factors. How it affects current recommendations of going early/staying late will remain to be seen.

Cons? Obviously the limit of 3, not being able to schedule the same attraction more than once, being limited to only one park, and tiers. The other potential cons are what impact the FP loading will have on standby lines, distribution of demand throughout the day, etc.

The good news is that Disney is dedicated to getting this rolled out as quickly as possible, so we won't have to wait very long for the full effects to become evident.
 
It might be interesting to count up how many times this has been stated and how many times it has been explained why it simply isn't true.

The short answer: (1) arrive early, (2) ride as much as possible before lines get long, (3) take a break from the parks in the middle of the day, when they are most crowded, (4) use FP+ in the late afternoon or evening.

Uhh, that's why I said that those who don't arrive early are the ones who probably like FP+. As someone who always arrived for rope drop, I liked FP- as I'd ride many rides before it got busy and collected fast passes as needed. I also used more than 3 per day. For me and my touring style, FP+ is not a positive thing.
 
And then we have this, which is much more useful than pure speculation:

Just got back today. Didn't like the fastpass +. I wanted to park hop and get like one pass at one park and a fastpass at another and you can't do it. We always park hop. And didn't like the tiers. Didn't get to do toystory. Because we picked rock and roller coaste

My family and I have been to Disney like 40 times. The stand by were longer than ever. Even my husband noticed. If you didn't have fp+. You waited at least an hour. And we were at the parks by 10:00

Thanks for posting, Corvair.
 
This will change our vacation style. We are RD people but we really utilized FP. I will not pay the prices Disney has to be able to only ride 3 rides. If on our next trip we find that the lines are long right at RD for rides we used to be able to walk onto and that we are only really able to ride three rides without long waits, we will be using our DVC membership only as a place to stay while we tour other parks or things to do in Orlando. I hope we like it, but I am afraid this may be what pushes us away from Disney.
 
Just got back today. Didn't like the fastpass +. I wanted to park hop and get like one pass at one park and a fastpass at another and you can't do it. We always park hop. And didn't like the tiers. Didn't get to do toystory. Because we picked rock and roller coaste

My family and I have been to Disney like 40 times. The stand by were longer than ever. Even my husband noticed. If you didn't have fp+. You waited at least an hour. And we were at the parks by 10:00

And what I predicted you prove is true...this will inevitable make Standby lines longer.

But those rides DO have FP+ now, if I understand what you are saying. In fact, everything will be branded and included with FP+ so that the pool of choices are increased. Maybe not restrooms, but just about everything else :)

Of all the things Disney could do with FP+, monetizing it is not something I see them doing. Not saying they won't, just that I would be surprised if they did. I think they are creative enough to come up with a lot of other ways to realize a return on this huge investment that aren't as transparent (or simple) as additional charges for additional FP+. Because like someone already posted here or in another thread, there are only so many FP's available each day, and one sold is one less free.

So pros/cons? I think the pros will boil down to the fact you can get 3 - which is also a con for some people. At what time of the day you will be able to get them is going to depend on many factors. How it affects current recommendations of going early/staying late will remain to be seen.

Cons? Obviously the limit of 3, not being able to schedule the same attraction more than once, being limited to only one park, and tiers. The other potential cons are what impact the FP loading will have on standby lines, distribution of demand throughout the day, etc.

The good news is that Disney is dedicated to getting this rolled out as quickly as possible, so we won't have to wait very long for the full effects to become evident.

Yes, it occurred to me after my post that rides that used to not have FP will now have it...which is a bummer! And thank you for actually addressing the pros/cons...I know it benefits some and doesn't benefit others. Unfortunately, I'm in the group of not benefiting from this
 
Unfortunately, I'm in the group of not benefiting from this

Yeah, I want to find some advantages to this, but it's difficult. We were there for 17 days just six weeks ago, and FP+ worked out pretty good for us but then I had made the reservations before tiering took effect and we also had working KTTW and RO cards that could pull legacy FP.

We made minimal use of the cards, very little in fact because we would go to RD at one park, ride like crazy, and then move to another park where we had our FP+ reservations.

But I can't imagine how disappointed we would have been if we had been subject to tiering at the time. I can't imagine how our plans would have had to change if we actually wanted to do TSM and RnRC on the same day. Get there at RD and do TSM, then FP+ RnRC and ToT and burn the last FP+ on something just for the sake of using it? And after that, then what? Go to another park and stand in line for an hour at each attraction?

I know people say go early, ride SB, then use FP+ in the afternoon. And we did that. But that isn't a very elaborate or complicated strategy, it's pretty easy to figure out, and I think a lot of people will.

And it doesn't really help with tiering.

Sorry, but it's easier to come up with cons than pros right now.
 
Uhh, that's why I said that those who don't arrive early are the ones who probably like FP+. As someone who always arrived for rope drop, I liked FP- as I'd ride many rides before it got busy and collected fast passes as needed. I also used more than 3 per day. For me and my touring style, FP+ is not a positive thing.

I was summarizing how someone who arrives early would like FP+.

We always arrive early and get a lot of rides in. We never used paper FP that much because we never needed to. FP+ now also let's us enjoy some major attractions in the evenings (and at times that we select) either at the same park or a different one.

I fully understand that FP+ is a negative for some people and their touring styles. But, as has been discussed a lot on these boards, there are a lot of people, including us, who arrive at parks early AND like FP+.
 
And what I predicted you prove is true...this will inevitable make Standby lines

One person's anecdotal observation does not prove anything.

We were at WDW during the week between Christmas and New Year's and there absolutely were NOT hour long waits for everything by 10 AM. Sure there were long standby lines for the most popular attractions, but that has ALWAYS been like that at those busy times.
 
Wisblue, I can't remember if you said you park hopped or not.

But if you were going to HS and wanted to do both TSM and RnRC, you'd get there early and ride one of those standby (or maybe even both if lines were light) and you'd save your FP+ for later in the day? What would you use those three FP's for?

And once you used them, what about the rest of the day? Would you leave the park and call it a day since you've been up since 6:30am?

Or would you hop to another park? And once you got there, would you wait in standby or would this be the park you reserved your FP's for? And if this is the park you reserved your FP's for, how could you have riden more than one headliner earlier in the day at HS without FP and without standing in at least one very long line?

I'm trying to wrap my head around your suggestions because yes, touring styles differ, and with ours we never, ever waited in a line more than 20 minutes long (well, at least until this last time when some FP lines started taking longer than that) yet we rode everything we wanted to and I know that won't really work as well in the future as it did in the past, but I can't figure out how we would even come close to realizing the same amount of enjoyment just by getting to the park early.
 
Wisblue, I can't remember if you said you park hopped or not.

But if you were going to HS and wanted to do both TSM and RnRC, you'd get there early and ride one of those standby (or maybe even both if lines were light) and you'd save your FP+ for later in the day? What would you use those three FP's for?

And once you used them, what about the rest of the day? Would you leave the park and call it a day since you've been up since 6:30am?

Or would you hop to another park? And once you got there, would you wait in standby or would this be the park you reserved your FP's for? And if this is the park you reserved your FP's for, how could you have riden more than one headliner earlier in the day at HS without FP and without standing in at least one very long line?

I'm trying to wrap my head around your suggestions because yes, touring styles differ, and with ours we never, ever waited in a line more than 20 minutes long (well, at least until this last time when some FP lines started taking longer than that) yet we rode everything we wanted to and I know that won't really work as well in the future as it did in the past, but I can't figure out how we would even come close to realizing the same amount of enjoyment just by getting to the park early.

I've explained this numerous times, so I'll lift this from my post yesterday about why FP+ works well for us. This is from the thread that was closed for moderation later in the day:

"We like to get to a park at opening and do as many things as possible with short waits. This strategy has always worked well for us, even during the busiest times of the year (when we usually have to visit), especially when those times have AM EMH. We were never big users of paper FPs, because touring in the morning we liked to sweep through the parks and didn't like having to get a FP and then have to arrange to return to that attraction later to use it. If we saw a posted wait time of 20 minutes for something we wanted to do, we were more inclined to get in the line and ride right then instead of having to come back. We also learned through experience that many of those posted wait times are inflated, especially in the morning.

We also like to take breaks in the middle of the day to escape the crowds in the parks, especially during those busy times. I remember reading in a guidebook before one of our first trips that "Disney World is like a large sundae. You will enjoy it more in small bites". We found that to be true for us when our daughters were small, and we still do things that way now. Paper FP does not work well for those midday breaks because by mid to late morning the FP return times would often be when we intended to be eating lunch or be out of the park completely.

After our breaks, we usually like to go to a different park, maybe to see a specific evening show, to eat at a specific place, or just for some variety. With FP+ we can now get FPs to enjoy a few popular attractions in those evenings, when paper FPs would be long gone for the day."

As I explained earlier in this thread, when we go to DHS we would usually arrive at opening and do TSMM, TOT and RNRC (usually single rider) without using FP and without long lines. This usually takes less than an hour, as it did on Sunday, December 28, a level 10 day at DHS.

After that we can move on to other attractions that don't have long lines (GMR, Animation Academy, Star Tours, Backlot Tour, shows, etc.) and have an early lunch. On that particular day we went right to DAK from DHS because we wanted to see the Christmas parade and FOTLK. We had our FP+ reservations at DAK-Safari, EE, and Dinosaur. For us, that was a very full and enjoyable day. Maybe you would have found it too boring for your tastes.

Before FP+ we would sometimes grab a FP for TSMM to do it a second time, but this trip we didn't do that because we had FP+ for TSMM on two different evenings of our 4 1/2 day trip.

One big difference between our touring styles seems to be that we really aren't that interested in doing certain attractions multiple times per day for multiple days on one trip. We don't measure our enjoyment or the success of our trips by the number of rides we do, the number of FPs we are able to collect, or how many hours we spend in the parks. We are generally satisfied if we can do most of our favorite things once per trip, especially when the trips are relatively short.

I also don't necessarily measure the value of FPs by how many we get. I find those FPs in the late afternoon and evening to be more valuable than ones that you can round up right at park opening because they are allowing us to bypass much longer lines at a time when FP was never an option. Kind of like I would rather have 3 $20 bills than 6 fives.
 
Laketravis, since you are asking me for details on how we approach DHS, maybe I should ask you how you would do it on a level 10 day and how you would be able to gather multiple FPs for TSMM and RNRC given how early in the day they run out. On those days it doesn't take long for the return times to get more than 2 hours out, so I don't know how many FPs you could realistically get. What do you do with the rest of your day while you're waiting for those FP return times to come up?
 














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