FP+ is now completely worthless if you are staying offsite.

[mom2rtk]

#firstworldproblems

It's a Disney message board.

Isn't everything here a first world problem?

 

[btk2333]

It's a Disney message board. Isn't everything here a first world problem?

Haha yes

 

[wisblue]

I understand that some of the most vocal opponents of FP+ like to jump to the defense of anyone who slams it. But, how can anyone argue with a straight face that the title of this thread and the premise of the OP is not patently false, or at best dramatically hyperbolic.

The premise is that FP+ is "completely worthless" for offsite guests and that offsite guests can not get FPs "for anything really good". But all of the attractions listed as being unavailable at 30 days are things that either weren't around 2 years ago or that never had FPs available before FP+. By all accounts, including the British site that was linked somewhere in this thread, FPs for everything else at the MK and most everything else in WDW are available 30 days in advance and, in most cases, even less than 30 days in advance.

So, if you agree with the original premise, you must be saying that rides like the mountains and many other classics are not "really good" rides and that FPs for them are "completely worthless". If you believe that, then paper FP was completely worthless for everyone, because those were the only things you could get.

If it is your opinion that onsite guests shouldn't have any advantage with respect to getting FPs, you are entitled to that. But jumping all the way to the conclusion that FP+ is worthless for offsite guests and that offsite guests can't get FPs for anything good, or can only get " the scraps", is, in my opinion, patently absurd. If I could start the day with FPs to all 3 mountains, I wouldn't consider that settling for scraps.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

I understand that some of the most vocal opponents of FP+ like to jump to the defense of anyone who slams it. But, how can anyone argue with a straight face that the title of this thread and the premise of the OP is not patently false, or at best dramatically hyperbolic.

The premise is that FP+ is "completely worthless" for offsite guests and that offsite guests can not get FPs "for anything really good". But all of the attractions listed as being unavailable at 30 days are things that either weren't around 2 years ago or that never had FPs available before FP+. By all accounts, including the British site that was linked somewhere in this thread, FPs for everything else at the MK and most everything else in WDW are available 30 days in advance and, in most cases, even less than 30 days in advance.

So, if you agree with the original premise, you must be saying that rides like the mountains and many other classics are not "really good" rides and that FPs for them are "completely worthless". If you believe that, then paper FP was completely worthless for everyone, because those were the only things you could get.

If it is your opinion that onsite guests shouldn't have any advantage with respect to getting FPs, you are entitled to that. But jumping all the way to the conclusion that FP+ is worthless for offsite guests and that offsite guests can't get FPs for anything good, or can only get " the scraps", is, in my opinion, patently absurd. If I could start the day with FPs to all 3 mountains, I wouldn't consider that settling for scraps.

 

[Granny square]

No, that's the point. They are making a ressie, getting a MB, putting FPs on the band, then canceling the ressie without penalty and KEEPING THE BAND with the FPs. The band does not get cancelled. And they see nothing wrong with this.

The things you learn!! I know I have a ticket on our reservation. I thought that was how we got our bands.

Thank you for explaining.

 

[cakebaker]

If it is your opinion that onsite guests shouldn't have any advantage with respect to getting FPs, you are entitled to that. But jumping all the way to the conclusion that FP+ is worthless for offsite guests and that offsite guests can't get FPs for anything good, or can only get " the scraps", is, in my opinion, patently absurd. If I could start the day with FPs to all 3 mountains, I wouldn't consider that settling for scraps.

That's kinda sorta what I was thinking.

 

[Suvadoo]

yep we see them come we see them go I think I will go find a site about knitting, of course I have never knit anything in my life but perhaps I can give some " advice" anyway

But when you join the knitting group make sure you remain self- righteous when you're passing out "advice". A rude delivery is also essential

 

[Scootypuffjr]

Trust me there is nothing subtle about how I feel. On-siters should NOT trump offsiters for any FP opportunities. A ticket is a ticket for park entry. EMH should be enough. Disney is making a big mistake, especially with the local AP holders; time will tell.

Well I think that I should be able to get food and drinks from CL. After all, I paid to be at the resort too. Why shouldn't I be entitled to the same stuff? Typically, AP holders pay less per "ticket" than the average onsite guest. I know, because I used to be an AP holder...and maybe as an offsite guest, you got discounted tickets through Undercover Tourist or AAA. Let's face it, onsite guests pay more (that's why people stay offsite or buy AP's)...why shouldn't they get more?

 

[cakebaker]

Well I think that I should be able to get food and drinks from CL. After all, I paid to be at the resort too. Why shouldn't I be entitled to the same stuff? Typically, AP holders pay less per "ticket" than the average onsite guest. I know, because I used to be an AP holder...and maybe as an offsite guest, you got discounted tickets through Undercover Tourist or AAA. Let's face it, onsite guests pay more (that's why people stay offsite or buy AP's)...why shouldn't they get more?

I'm an Ap holder AND I stay on site- does this mean I get everything? Or does 1 cancel the other out? How confusing!

 

[Scootypuffjr]

I'm an Ap holder AND I stay on site- does this mean I get everything? Or does 1 cancel the other out? How confusing!

I think that you should be able to stay in the castle for that one!

 

[cakebaker]

I think that you should be able to stay in the castle for that one!

I knew I liked you!

 

[Planogirl]

There is so much "I should get more than you" on this thread. Fine, you have the right to feel that way but if you think that you are somehow always going to get more if you stay in a more expensive hotel then you are in for a rude awakening. WDW is not an all-inclusive and until it is, it makes no sense to treat it like one.

Personally I am VERY disappointed with Disney lately but even so I don't believe that they will create classes like some people want. I think that they've already gone a bit too far but it is what it is. I won't change my mind and neither will you.

 

[Luckybee]

Great go for it. But it won't stop: Itchn2go, Magicbob, and Luvchefmic from calling you out on your posts (to name a few).
Remain self-righteous and all knowing. Humility and openenss to other's viewpoints is entirely overrated!

Just get used to ignoring him/her....it isn't only those posters by a longshot who agree with what you've stated...the rest of us have simply become bored with feeding the troll.

 

[Suvadoo]

Just get used to ignoring him/her....it isn't only those posters by a longshot who agree with what you've stated...the rest of us have simply become bored with feeding the troll.

Thanks I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Cartwright]

Just get used to ignoring him/her....it isn't only those posters by a longshot who agree with what you've stated...the rest of us have simply become bored with feeding the troll.

Exactly, well said! There is a "vast majority" of people on these boards who agree with this position beyond the few people that Suvadoo cited. Like you said, it comes to a point where it's not worth feeding the trolls who are just looking for attention.

 

[cakebaker]

There is so much "I should get more than you" on this thread. Fine, you have the right to feel that way but if you think that you are somehow always going to get more if you stay in a more expensive hotel then you are in for a rude awakening. WDW is not an all-inclusive and until it is, it makes no sense to treat it like one.

Personally I am VERY disappointed with Disney lately but even so I don't believe that they will create classes like some people want. I think that they've already gone a bit too far but it is what it is. I won't change my mind and neither will you.

There's a lot of " If I can't have it, you can't either" going on as well. I think Disney would love us to look at a trip there as all inclusive- and really if you buy a pkg that has tickets, room and dining- it is much like an all inclusive vacation. Maybe that's what they're shooting for. I wouldn't buy it, but I think they'd like us to.

I don't see it as creating classes. It's just the way things work in life- you pay more, you get more.

 

[mom2rtk]

There's a lot of " If I can't have it, you can't either" going on as well. I think Disney would love us to look at a trip there as all inclusive- and really if you buy a pkg that has tickets, room and dining- it is much like an all inclusive vacation. Maybe that's what they're shooting for. I wouldn't buy it, but I think they'd like us to.

I don't see it as creating classes. It's just the way things work in life- you pay more, you get more.

But we're talking about paying more for a room and getting more in the parks. That's the disconnect.

I don't think anyone begrudges you getting more at your resort when you pay more for your resort.

And as much as Disney would like you to THINK of their resort as all-inclusive..... it simply is not.

 

[cakebaker]

Like you said, it comes to a point where it's not worth feeding the trolls who are just looking for attention.

Oh I couldn't agree more! The problem is, when one fills up a thread with passive aggressive behavior, one is really not ignoring them at all. One is simply being an *** and childish. And that's really just entertainment for the trolls because they know they got to you .

Have a great day!

 

[Angel Ariel]

But we're talking about paying more for a room and getting more in the parks. That's the disconnect.

I don't think anyone begrudges you getting more at your resort when you pay more for your resort.

And as much as Disney would like you to THINK of their resort as all-inclusive..... it simply is not.

Exactly. You could pay for concierge level at the grand floridian, but that alone doesn't entitle one to enter any of the parks. One still has to buy a separate.park admission...a park admission that is the same price for all guests whether they are staying CL at the GF,.at the All Stars, or offsite.

It is the park admission, not the resort stay, that gives one the right to enter the parks and enjoy the attractions. During general operating hours, where one sleeps should have no impact on the in park experience. Disney choosing to open early/late for resort guests is entirely different, as those aren't normal operating hours and offsite guests wouldnt be able to get in anyway, because they'd be closed if not running emh. Park experience during general operating hours, though, should not be defined by where you sleep.

 

[cakebaker]

But we're talking about paying more for a room and getting more in the parks. That's the disconnect.

I don't think anyone begrudges you getting more at your resort when you pay more for your resort.

And as much as Disney would like you to THINK of their resort as all-inclusive..... it simply is not.

No, it's not- but they're quite effective at creating that illusion.

I understand the opinion that resorts should be separate from the parks in benefits, but Disney doesn't want it that way. We simply disagree- but it certainly is not a matter, at least for me, of creating classes or feeling superior to anyone else.

They charge an outrageous amount for their deluxe and villa rooms. While I think some resorts are quite nice and have a lot to do there- it doesn't justify the rates. They have to do something to entice people to stay there and an hour in the morning or an hour at night in the parks isn't enough apparently. So they either increase the perks, or they cut the price - and they're not going to cut prices anymore than the already do.