FP+ is amazing

[Sammie]

The posts on DISboards that bother me the most are the complainers of FP+ who have not used it yet.

Glad you had a fun time! I too love FP+ and I honestly don't understand many of the complaints.

Don't you know, they don't have to experience it personally to know they hate it.

And yet the OP can experience it and feel it is awesome and somehow she is still wrong.

As I said previously; to them their point of view is the only valid one.

 

[mesaboy2]

The entire point of a FastPass is to save time. Is this not true?

If a FastPass does not save time--which it almost never does on some attractions--then can someone explain how it can be awesome if used on those attractions?

 

[morethananyonex]

All most of us are trying to say is you can ride Nemo and Figment back to back most days without waiting so it really doesn't make much sense to use that as evidence FP+ is awesome. FP+ didn't allow OP to do anything that couldn't be done almost the exact same way without FP+ concerning those 2 rides.

Like I said before, it's like if someone comes on raving about how awesome low season is because they rode Peoplemover without a wait when low season had nothing to do with it.

 

[DVCFan1994]

While your browsing Merriam Webster's, try looking at the other definition listed... "best or most effective." It all boils down to how you measure the effectiveness of a strategy. Using your subjective definition, we might as well shut this board down and stop discussing strategies altogether because no one's idea of what constitutes an effective strategy will have any relevance to any other reader if the standard is "because I enjoyed myself." There's no way to measure the "most effective strategy to have a good time." That's just too subjective. That's why measureable standards (# of rides, wait times, etc.) have to be the standard in objectively discussing whether a strategy is effective. We can measure the "most effective strategy to ride the most and wait the least." This is the biggest disconnect in every FP+ discussion. It works well for some people. We all concede this point. But just because someone liked the system doesn't equate to it being the most effective strategy to maximize touring. It simply means that some people are content with a touring style that is not maximized. Again... there is nothing wrong with that. But no matter how you spin it, "FP+ is awesome because we got to ride everything we wanted to" is not the same as "FP+ is awesome because it allowed to ride the most rides with the least waits."

So you want me to use the definition you like because it supports your argument. The definition I saw, which was the only one in my abridged version BTW, is no less valid because you don't like it for the purpose of your argument. Nor am I saying I don't like yours because it hurts my argument.

Like I said, we need to agree to disagree. I am a numbers person. I still do not believe there is a way to quantify an optimal trip to Disney. You feel strongly what is important in your eyes makes for an optimal vacation. I just don't see it that way.

Before you get back to your "why even have a board like this" response, just because we don't agree and see things differently, doesn't mean we can't learn from each other (the general we, I clearly have nothing to offer you). I don't love FP+, I 've learned from both supporters and dissenters though. My problem was the way people immediately felt the need to say the OPs choices were a waste. They were not a waste the OP that day.

 

[mesaboy2]

So you want me to use the definition you like because it supports your argument. The definition I saw, which was the only one in my abridged version BTW, is no less valid because you don't like it for the purpose of your argument. Nor am I saying I don't like yours because it hurts my argument.

Like I said, we need to agree to disagree. I am a numbers person. I still do not believe there is a way to quantify an optimal trip to Disney. You feel strongly what is important in your eyes makes for an optimal vacation. I just don't see it that way.

Before you get back to your "why even have a board like this" response, just because we don't agree and see things differently, doesn't mean we can't learn from each other (the general we, I clearly have nothing to offer you). I don't love FP+, I 've learned from both supporters and dissenters though. My problem was the way people immediately felt the need to say the OPs choices were a waste. They were not a waste the OP that day.

If Figment was a walk-on, then the FastPass was a waste.

Waste: use or expend carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose.

Not the ride, not the OP's experience, but the FastPass. Is the distinction not clear?

 

[Mcbruns]

I was just about to post something similar. I guess I'll keep my own plans for next week to myself so as not to risk ridicule from the perfect people.

I couldn't agree more. Seems like to you can't share any opinion here without it being picked apart.

 

[catra121]

The entire point of a FastPass is to save time. Is this not true?

If a FastPass does not save time--which it almost never does on some attractions--then can someone explain how it can be awesome if used on those attractions?

It's awesome because it made the OP happy. Isn't that enough?

 

[mesaboy2]

It's awesome because it made the OP happy. Isn't that enough?

Sure, okay. The FastPass to a walk-on ride made them happy. Yay.

 

[WillAustin]

Sure, okay. The FastPass to a walk-on ride made them happy. Yay.

I think WDW is counting on a large number of people to be less informed about what rides are optimal uses of FP+. And that's in addition to limiting and redirecting those that are informed with the tiers.

 

[mesaboy2]

I think WDW is counting on a large number of people to be less informed about what rides are optimal uses of FP+. And that's in addition to limiting and redirecting those that are informed with the tiers.

I agree, and I think the two of us and many others on this board saw from the start what a sham offering FPs for some of these attractions are.

 

[morethananyonex]

Sure, okay. The FastPass to a walk-on ride made them happy. Yay.

Now you're getting it. FP+ is awesome because OP got to ride Figment and Nemo back to back! Take that negative haters!!!!

I bet you haven't even tried FP+ yet. Just wait until you stroll into Epcot in the afternoon and walk right on Captain EO, you'll be changing your tune for sure. Score one for FP+!

 

[TNDisneyNut]

IDK... just seems like people find too much pleasure in questioning something that made someone happy

 

[*disgal*]

That sounds like a lovely afternoon. I think the good point is that they were able to get a FP for TT in the afternoon and just go over later, something they couldn't have done before.

I think it sounds lovely too. And personally, I would like everyone to pick a fp for figment and nemo.

 

[mesaboy2]

Now you're getting it. FP+ is awesome because OP got to ride Figment and Nemo back to back! Take that negative haters!!!!

I bet you haven't even tried FP+ yet. Just wait until you stroll into Epcot in the afternoon and walk right on Captain EO, you'll be changing your tune for sure. Score one for FP+!

That sounds awesome. How fast do these run out?

 

[Sammie]

If Figment was a walk-on, then the FastPass was a waste.

Waste: use or expend carelessly, extravagantly, or to no purpose.

Not the ride, not the OP's experience, but the FastPass. Is the distinction not clear?

Unless someone has proof that these rides were in fact walk on without any wait at the time and day the OP used hers/his, then your point is not valid.

Not sure there is any way to prove it. I have seen lines at both rides, were they as long as others, probably not.

But a wait is still a wait and if it only saved the OP 10 mins, then it in fact did save time.

The point everyone is trying to make is this, enjoyment of Fastpass+ is very subjective, just as disliking it is.

If disliking it for various reasons is valid, then so is liking it.

Sarcastic remarks about the OP experience is in my opinion rude. You have your reasons for not liking it and that is your choice, just as it is hers/his, to say the experience was awesome.

I used one of mine for Wishes and Illuminations, and loved it. It saved me time, make the experience more enjoyable and was a completely awesome experience.

I could care less if you find that use valid in your opinion, because it is still just your opinion which is no more valid than mine or anyone else's.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

IDK... just seems like people find too much pleasure in questioning something that made someone happy

For me it's not questioning something that made someone else happy. I see the questions as wondering how what the OP did was better than before? When I hear the word "plus" after something I generally think this is a good thing (maybe I should be wrong for assuming this). So folks are wondering how having a FP+ for Nemo and Crush are better than before when you could just walk on. Not saying the OP is wrong for picking those rides, but questioning how it is better than previous experience.

 

[WillAustin]

I agree, and I think the two of us and many others on this board saw from the start what a sham offering FPs for some of these attractions are.

Yes, and I agree with your point that if the FP+ return line isn't significantly faster than standby then there is no reason to have the FP+ reservation in the first place, no matter what attraction it's for. Whether someone is happy or not doesn't factor into that objective valuation at all.

 

[catra121]

For me it's not questioning something that made someone else happy. I see the questions as wondering how what the OP did was better than before? When I hear the word "plus" after something I generally think this is a good thing (maybe I should be wrong for assuming this). So folks are wondering how having a FP+ for Nemo and Crush are better than before when you could just walk on. Not saying the OP is wrong for picking those rides, but questioning how it is better than previous experience.

No where in the OP does it say FP+ is better than what was before...they just said it was awesome. They also said they can understand why it isn't perfect and might not work for some.

 

[morethananyonex]

No where in the OP does it say FP+ is better than what was before...they just said it was awesome. They also said they can understand why it isn't perfect and might not work for some.

They said it's awesome because they rode Nemo & Figment back to back. Nemo & Figment could have been done back to back without FP+ as well. How does doing something you can do without FP+ make FP+ awesome? That doesn't really make sense.

The TT FP+ in hand when entering in the afternoon is awesome depending on your perspective and touring style. That is something that FP+ allows you to do that can't be done otherwise.

 

[mesaboy2]

Unless someone has proof that these rides were in fact walk on without any wait at the time and day the OP used hers/his, then your point is not valid.

Not sure there is any way to prove it. I have seen lines at both rides, were they as long as others, probably not.

But a wait is still a wait and if it only saved the OP 10 mins, then it in fact did save time.

The point everyone is trying to make is this, enjoyment of Fastpass+ is very subjective, just as disliking it is.

If disliking it for various reasons is valid, then so is liking it.

Sarcastic remarks about the OP experience is in my opinion rude. You have your reasons for not liking it and that is your choice, just as it is hers/his, to say the experience was awesome.

This just in: enjoyment of anything is very subjective. Usefulness is something else entirely. I think I have attempted to distinguish between the two all thread long. I said in Post #2 that I am glad the OP liked FP+ and I genuinely mean it. But call me crazy, I don't think the use of FP on Figment is the source of the awesomeness.