FP+ is amazing

[Sammie]

This thread reminds of this graphic I saw on Facebook.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/33/f9/6f/33f96fe137f867b4f905ee753423189f.jpg

Just change, "life" to Fastpass+

and "live it" to use it.

 

[Bullseye]

More like saying: "I love buffets. They may cost a little more, but they re-fill your water glass as much as you want."

This is an information and strategy exchange Board. While the original sentiment may have been delivered a bit more harshly than usual, one should take away from this thread that getting a FP+ for EO, Figment, Nemo, or the Tea Cups (among others) is a sub-optimal strategy.

Personally any buffet I go to in WDW is far better than any can ride I could attend. But then again , the eating is probably my favorite part of vacation which is one of the reasons why fp+ is not that big a deal.

 

[Junebugwv]

Before lunch on 3/3/14 we used our FP+ for the Nemo ride. The FP lane seemed like a shorter walk to the clam than the stand-by lane, which was also a walk-on.

After lunch we used our FP+ at Figment and had to wait behind one stand-by group in front of us while they entered the vehicle.

However, we do not consider the FP+ experience a waste because the kids enjoyed pausing to use their MBs to light up the Mickey head.

 

[lugnut33]

I'm all for everyone using FP on figment and nemo.

 

[mom2rtk]

Personally any buffet I go to in WDW is far better than any can ride I could attend. But then again , the eating is probably my favorite part of vacation which is one of the reasons why fp+ is not that big a deal.

Why am I not surprised? Yet another FP+ lover admitting then rides are not that important. To them.

 

[magicbob]

"Awesome" and "amazing" are how the OP describes their FP+ experience...that's how they felt about it. Just because that same exact experience would not be awesome or amazing for you does not mean that the system CANNOT be awesome...only that it's not for you.

So much nonsense about "maximizing" experiences by doing a certain number of rides and being condescending towards others when they don't "maximize" rides or minimize their wait times. That's fine if that's your goal (as a PP said) but it's not everyone's goal. I would actually say that it's not MOST people's goal.

I think we are all just as entitled to decide for ourselves what is an AWESOME experience as we are to decide what is a terrible experience. Many people hate FP+ and are entitled to feel how they feel about it whether they have used it or not. But many people also love FP+ and they should be able to share that opinion without people jumping all over them telling them how they wasted their FPs on rides that didn't need them.

It just reminds me of a conversation my mom had with one of the neighbor kids a few years back. He was young (12 or 13 I think) and he was telling my mom about all these awesome things they did in Disney World. So then my mom asks about x...and y...and did they do z? He says no...and she proceeds to go on and on and on about how those are the best things ever. Ummm....WTH? The kid had a great time and then she has to go and rain on his parade by telling him all the things he missed out on...who does that? He didn't have to do x, y, and z to have an AWESOME time...who is anyone to tell him that his experience wasn't awesome just because he didn't do what they would have done.

Just plain crazy, in my opinion, to think that your opinion (or mine) about whether someone else's experience would have been AWESOME trumps their own. Maybe instead of saying that the system CANNOT be awesome you say that you don't THINK that those things make it awesome. But it does not in any way negate the fact that the OP's experience with FP+ was amazing and awesome.

No one disputes that OP had an "awesome" time. But OP's statement was "FP+ is awesome." They made a statement about the merit of the system and not about the quality of their experience. Big difference.

The entire point of a FastPass is to save time. Is this not true?

If a FastPass does not save time--which it almost never does on some attractions--then can someone explain how it can be awesome if used on those attractions?

Goes to the point a PP made about "goals." If your goal is to walk on Figment, you don't need a FP strategy. Saving time (i.e., less time in line) is the purpose of FP. Hence, whether or not it achieves THAT goal is the measure of whether the system is "awesome" or not. It has nothing to do with how "awesome" of an "experience" someone has because that is 100% subjective.

So you want me to use the definition you like because it supports your argument. The definition I saw, which was the only one in my abridged version BTW, is no less valid because you don't like it for the purpose of your argument. Nor am I saying I don't like yours because it hurts my argument.

Like I said, we need to agree to disagree. I am a numbers person. I still do not believe there is a way to quantify an optimal trip to Disney. You feel strongly what is important in your eyes makes for an optimal vacation. I just don't see it that way.

Before you get back to your "why even have a board like this" response, just because we don't agree and see things differently, doesn't mean we can't learn from each other (the general we, I clearly have nothing to offer you). I don't love FP+, I 've learned from both supporters and dissenters though. My problem was the way people immediately felt the need to say the OPs choices were a waste. They were not a waste the OP that day.

You misunderstand completely. You're still talking about subjective feelings. I'm not saying someone's vacation cannot be optimal (for them) while using a less than optimal system. I'm only referring to measuring the effectiveness of the system in accomplishing its purpose.

It could to someone, the point is, no one has the right to decide what is awesome for someone else and say their opinion is not valid.

Again, not saying that. No one disputes the OPs opinion of their experience. But stating as a fact that FP+ is awesome is a different matter. How is that quantified? It cannot be based on a subjective measure of how it made someone feel.

That would be like someone saying "FP+ is terrible because I had a lousy time. It rained every day, my room was dirty, the food was bad, and Splash Mountain was closed for refurb." The system should be judged on the merits of how well it accomplishes its purpose. The purpose of FP+ is not to make people feel good, but to reduce time waiting in line (notwithstanding the ulterior motive of making money for Disney).

 

[AmyB2006]

I have to say, this has to be the most ridiculous thread on FP+ that I've seen in a while, and I do read all of them. LOL

Anyway, and for this:

Where is the Monster Inc playground in Epoct that Op mentions

It's on the "side" walkway from World Showcase to Figment. Where the roses are. And yes, it's only there during Flower and Garden. Last year it was the OZ theme.

I didn't see anyone actually answer this question, other than say it's only during F&G.

I'm all for everyone using FP on figment and nemo.

ROFL!!! Yes... let's let this be shall we??

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

But how is an experience enhanced if the exact same thing can be done without FP+? (The Nemo/Figment experience, not the TT one)

It might be enhanced by a family knowing ahead of time that they've ensured that they will get to ride their top picks when they want to, and actually ending up doing just that.

Most of us frequent WDW visitors wouldn't consider booking a FP+ for Figment, but we know that we don't need to -- some people don't. I say thank goodness some people will -- and that we will both be happy with our choices!

 

[fbb]

I'm all for everyone using FP on figment and nemo.

The more people who are happy using FP on figment and nemo, the less likely Disney will build new things at Epcot.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

 

[JimmyV]

The more people who are happy using FP on figment and nemo, the less likely Disney will build new things at Epcot.

Even my kid figured that out. "Dad...if people get fast passes for Captain EO, Disney will think that people actually want them and they won't get rid if it or fix the fast pass system."
Direct quote. But the same could be said for many of the Tier 2 options in Epcot.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Even my kid figured that out. "Dad...if people get fast passes for Captain EO, Disney will think that people actually want them and they won't get rid if it or fix the fast pass system."
Direct quote. But the same could be said for many of the Tier 2 options in Epcot.

So Disney reads internet boards and comments about how guests feel about FP+, but not Captain EO?

Folks, Disney knows that most guests hate Captain EO. If Disney doesn't do anything about Captain EO, it will have nothing to do with FP+.

 

[JimmyV]

If Disney doesn't do anything about Captain EO, it will have nothing to do with FP+.

So Disney knows that it is offering Fast Passes for a crappy ride and for rides that don't need them, but continues to do so because if it doesn't, it won't have anything else to do with its Fast Pass system. Hmmmm. Awesome!

 

[davedmaine]

There are so many people complaining about the new FP+ system, some who have not even used it yet. Yesterday around noon we decided it would be nice night to head to epcot. I hoped online to the disney webiste, picked test track, nemo, and figment, found a set of times that worked pretty well and we were able to do what we wanted during the afternoon until it was time to head to the park. The first two rides, Nemo and Figment were close in time and proximity so we were able to ride them back to back. Then we wandered around looking at flowers and let the kids play on the Monsters, Inc playground. We grabbed a snack, rode the boat ride in Mexico, which is way better than It's A Small World. Time for test track and we then had the choice of staying for Illuminations of leaving. I can see how it may not be perfect, but in its current state FP+ is awesome. We could have made our times even more spread out and fit other rides in between our fastpasses. Nobody wants to wait in lines, but if the system tried make it so nobody had to wait in a line, everyone would be waiting in line.

Fast passes for nemo and figment.. You just made the argument against FTP+

 

[catra121]

No one disputes that OP had an "awesome" time. But OP's statement was "FP+ is awesome." They made a statement about the merit of the system and not about the quality of their experience. Big difference.



Goes to the point a PP made about "goals." If your goal is to walk on Figment, you don't need a FP strategy. Saving time (i.e., less time in line) is the purpose of FP. Hence, whether or not it achieves THAT goal is the measure of whether the system is "awesome" or not. It has nothing to do with how "awesome" of an "experience" someone has because that is 100% subjective.



You misunderstand completely. You're still talking about subjective feelings. I'm not saying someone's vacation cannot be optimal (for them) while using a less than optimal system. I'm only referring to measuring the effectiveness of the system in accomplishing its purpose.



Again, not saying that. No one disputes the OPs opinion of their experience. But stating as a fact that FP+ is awesome is a different matter. How is that quantified? It cannot be based on a subjective measure of how it made someone feel.

That would be like someone saying "FP+ is terrible because I had a lousy time. It rained every day, my room was dirty, the food was bad, and Splash Mountain was closed for refurb." The system should be judged on the merits of how well it accomplishes its purpose. The purpose of FP+ is not to make people feel good, but to reduce time waiting in line (notwithstanding the ulterior motive of making money for Disney).

To state that anything is AWESOME is "subjective" and to state than anything is TERRIBLE is also "subjective." Bottom line with the FP+ system is that it IS awesome for some, terrible for some, and just okay for others. You can state categorically that FP+ didn't save them any time in line (maybe it did...maybe it didn't...maybe it was only a minute saved...but let's assume for this point that they didn't)...and it doesn't really change that they FELT it was awesome. Their feelings are the only thing that matters when sharing their experience. They will tell Disney it was awesome, they will tell their friends that it was awesome, and they have come out of their FP+ experience feeling it was awesome. That's the point we are all making. You keep trying to put some sort of objective measure on a subjective statement (that FP+ is awesome) and no matter how many times we go around and around in this discussion...there's not going to be any way for that to make sense to me.

 

[glamdring269]

If Disney has folks thinking that an FP to Nemo is a value added benefit relative to the old system then they may have already won. No adjustment necessary!

 

[BuckeyeBama]

So Disney knows that it is offering Fast Passes for a crappy ride and for rides that don't need them, but continues to do so because if it doesn't, it won't have anything else to do with its Fast Pass system. Hmmmm. Awesome!

I have always agreed that this was a ruse for people who know nothing about WDW. Those who do their research will still know better. And some people really love these rides, so might want to ensure a ride with no wait during busier seasons (guessing here, since I don't go to WDW during busy season any more).

Is there a wait for Captain EO during busy season?

 

[HydroGuy]

I am not a frequent poster on this WDW forum. I have not used FP+ yet and do not plan to do so until 2015 not because I hate FP+ but because that is how things are working out for my future. I have read many of the FP+ positive and negative threads. I have read every post in this particular thread. I have never posted in any FP+ thread yet and do not plan to post much or any in the future on this. With that said, I am going to attempt to make a few points.


1. DIS is a discussion forum. People who post things here should plan for them to be discussed. If they post opinions they should plan for them to be agreed with and disagreed with. That is how discussion forums work. Folks who think otherwise are missing the point of what a discussion forum is and may want to find a Disney support group somewhere where everyone always agrees with them and makes them feel supported.


2. Although it does not always happen, it is fair to expect folks on DIS to respect the people who post. It is not fair to expect folks on DIS to respect everything they say - especially when they disagree with them based on experience.


3. Threads like this are kept forever online. So when someone posts something that others through long experience judge will likely not help others, it is not only acceptable to comment on this, it is actually compelling that they do so. Otherwise folks will make comments that a fraction or even a majority disagree with, but if they do not put their disagreement in writing here, other newbies will come along and read them and think the community that is DIS agrees with the post. And possibly repeat mistakes that others here have made personally or seen others make.


4. I have not seen anyone attack the OP. Those who continue to insist that is what is happening just seem to be muddying the waters. It is too hard for me to take all the varied posts here and summarize them in one post, but if I could I would say that the OP made a claim that "FP+ is amazing" (in the thread title) and others here did not see anything particularly amazing about how FP+ was used. They are not saying the OP did not have an amazing time. They are just saying that the experience the OP had with FP+ would not be considered as particularly amazing to them and probably many others who know how to tour Disney.

If they do not do this then, again, a newbie may come along tomorrow with one prior post to their name, read this thread, without the disagreements that were never posted, and maybe conclude the community here agrees with the gist of the OP. And then possibly use FP+ in a novice way and make choices that may lead to a lesser experience for them.

Most of the folks here on DIS are here to learn from others so they can make their own personal experience better in the future. If folks do not post negative experiences or opinions then others will not learn from them. Same thing for posting positive experiences. In the aggregate others can sift through and make judgments, gain some knowledge through others, and apply that to their own unique situation in order to improve their own experience.


5. I am suspicious that the OP even had the experience that they had and is not just throwing a bomb out there to get folks worked up. I think we all know that when someone with 17 posts (that is what it shows now for the OP) posts something, they have very little invested in their screen name and no one really knows who they are. So a 14 year old somewhere with too much time on their hands can easily stir things up for something they think is fun. That is what we all call a troll.

I just glanced quickly back through all the posts and see the OP has not returned to clarify themselves unless I missed it among the 100+ posts so far here in this thread. That is another indicator of the OP being a troll.

If the OP is in fact a real person who is just a newbie with low post count, time will tell based on future posts. If you are a real person OP, no offense was intended and certainly I am making no claims to your physical appearance!


I hope my post here injects some more common sense into the dialog in this thread and other posts on DIS and other posts pro and con on FP+.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I hope my post here injects some more common sense into the dialog in this thread

You call the OP a troll and say that everyone has a right to call out anything that the OP says because they disagree with him/her. And you take 5 "points" and many more pargraphs to get that off your chest.

Thanks for the help.

 

[HydroGuy]

You call the OP a troll and say that everyone has a right to call out anything that the OP says because they disagree with him/her. And you take 5 "points" and many more pargraphs to get that off your chest.

Thanks for the help.

Wow. Where did I call the OP a troll? I said I was suspicious based on their posting behavior. The OP is free to come in and clarify. Which I essentially invited them to do.

If you disagree with my summary of the traits of trolling posters, then disagree and say why.

And if you disagree with my attempt at common sense, then disagree with it and say why. Don't just put me down.

Or go ahead and put me down anyways and I will let others decide on your credibility.

Sheesh.