For you smokers out there......

[greenban]

Me - I want to ban all smokers. And people who wear perfume. And people who are just smelly in general. Kids - especially kids who wear diapers. Adults who wear diapers. Pet owners (banning pets is not enough as most pet owners have hair on this stuff that gets in the rooms and bothers me.) Ban 'em all.

And I want those kitchens clean. Nothing that anybody could possibly be allergic to should be allowed. Except shellfish (I kinda like shellfish myself). But we'll need a $200/shrimp fine for any left behind.

Whoops. Almost forgot about the pooh-sized folks. Can I tell you how annoying lumpy mattress are? Gotta ban everybody 200 lbs.

I think that's about it. Am I missing anybody?

?Short People?

People who target shoot from balconies, come on folks, keep the shooting indoors!

Cripes and or Bloods?

People who listen to Lawrence Welk Music, loudly.

People who Polka in upper-story rooms late at night or early in the AM

Hairy People, People who talk loudly, 'those NASTY' DVCers from the Northeastern States (and you alll know who you are!), Terrorists, oops mean militants, oops mean insurgents?

Point Renters

Point Rentees

Long Posters

People who chew tebacco and spit!

Rap Stars (?oxymoron? alert)

And of course Democrats......(just kidding, really!)

Me

-Tony

 

[WOW]

Interesting debate here!!!! I am an ex smoker but I still feel that smoking is a personal choice. We tend to attack the smoker, but what about all of the bigger things we deal with???? Drug users (marajuiana is a cigarette), bus fumes, toxic air, alchoholics, thieves, spousal abusers, child abusers. I realize that smoking and second smoke can really be a hazard, but so many other things are also hazardous. The smoker who cannot quit is actually so addicted that it becomes impossible----I have read many times that the addiction is worse than cocaine----not sure how true that is. Almost everyone I know who smokes is a considerate smoker. Smokers are people too and I am not sure that we should ban smoking at WDW....What about alchohol????? Should we search everyone for drugs???

 

[disney-super-mom]

theres nothing wrong with smoking on the balcony ?, but as you say you hate the smell next time he is out there go upstairs and ask to go on the balcony above him remember smoke rises. my wife could not sit on our balcony because the nice considerate man below us thought she needed to share his cigar sorry but smoking does cause problems for others but they never seem to be able to see this

This made me think, maybe all rooms could/should be non-smoking, and all top floor rooms could have smoking optional balconies. That could help curb the problem for everyone don't you think? (at BCV, BWV and VWL)

I don't think that would be necessary at OKW or SSR though since I think they have designated smoking buildings and non-smoking buildings, right?

 

[Cruelladeville]

Smokers who smoke around non-smokers are different from the other groups you mentioned, in that smokers jeopardize the health of those around them. Non-smoking rooms should be guaranteed, and smokers who smoke in those rooms fined if they do smoke in the room. I don't care if that is not fair for the smoker, did the smoker who previously had my room care about me and my family? No, they did not! I spent 4 hours in the emergency room at Sand Lake Hospital with a child having a severe asthma attack, thanks to the person who smoked in our non-smoking room. Yes, Disney did move us to another room, but that emergency room cost us over $900, plus the ambulance. I also found out that they really don't like to accept insurance from out-of-state residents, because they might not get paid. While it all ended up OK in the end, it sure did cast a pall over our vacation.

 

[WOW]

Disney SuperMom....That sure sounds like a SUPER idea to me....Leave it to a Mom to come up with that idea!!!! Sorry Dads!!!!

 

[Judique]

Smokers who smoke around non-smokers are different from the other groups you mentioned, in that smokers jeopardize the health of those around them. Non-smoking rooms should be guaranteed, and smokers who smoke in those rooms fined if they do smoke in the room. I don't care if that is not fair for the smoker, did the smoker who previously had my room care about me and my family? No, they did not! I spent 4 hours in the emergency room at Sand Lake Hospital with a child having a severe asthma attack, thanks to the person who smoked in our non-smoking room. Yes, Disney did move us to another room, but that emergency room cost us over $900, plus the ambulance. I also found out that they really don't like to accept insurance from out-of-state residents, because they might not get paid. While it all ended up OK in the end, it sure did cast a pall over our vacation.

I've been in a similar situation. Celebration Hospital did accept my insurance. Smokers have an addiction and others should not have to suffer because of it. If you have to smoke, go find somewhere where it doesn't affect others. Smokers have made the choice to be socially unacceptable.

 

[yitbos96bb]

theres nothing wrong with smoking on the balcony ?, but as you say you hate the smell next time he is out there go upstairs and ask to go on the balcony above him remember smoke rises. my wife could not sit on our balcony because the nice considerate man below us thought she needed to share his cigar sorry but smoking does cause problems for others but they never seem to be able to see this

I have a question. Did you or your wife ever call down to his room and talk to him. Tell him that the smoke bothers you and ask nicely if there was a specific time when he might smoke, so that everyone can enjoy the balconies.

My mother in law can't stand the smoke smell either. On another trip one time she was complaining about the smoke. I did this very thing I have mentioned above and the guy below was pretty cool about it. From then on he called us when he was going to smoke and it never caused a problem. It worked because I was nice and polite and offered a compromise.

Will this work 100% of the time? No... frankly there are jerks that smoke and don't smoke who are totaltarian and won't be willing to compromise (many of which are in Congress currently ;-) ) regardless of the circumstances. But most people, if approached with politeness, respect and kindness will usually react positively. Guess who taught me that lesson?

Disney.

 

[yitbos96bb]

Interesting debate here!!!! I am an ex smoker but I still feel that smoking is a personal choice. We tend to attack the smoker, but what about all of the bigger things we deal with???? Drug users (marajuiana is a cigarette), bus fumes, toxic air, alchoholics, thieves, spousal abusers, child abusers. I realize that smoking and second smoke can really be a hazard, but so many other things are also hazardous. The smoker who cannot quit is actually so addicted that it becomes impossible----I have read many times that the addiction is worse than cocaine----not sure how true that is. Almost everyone I know who smokes is a considerate smoker. Smokers are people too and I am not sure that we should ban smoking at WDW....What about alchohol????? Should we search everyone for drugs???

I remember reading a study that said nicotine is actually as addictive as heroin which is generally regarded (along with nicotine) as the most addictive substance out there. Even worse, tobacco companies have cross-bred tobacco strains to up nicotine levels. That's one of the reasons cigars and pipes are no where as addictive as cigarettes... they contain less nicotine.

I will say this also... I have had drunk people annoy me MUCH MUCH more than smokers. I ask a smoker if they mind smoking elsewhere (politely of course) they are usually pretty accomidating. I ask a drunk to leave me alone and many get beligerent.

 

[WOW]

In response to Judique




Sometimes we make comments on things that we don't understand. I am 59 years old and remember "back in the day", when no one knew the risks of smoking. If I remember correctly the warnings were not on cigarette packs until sometime in the late 60's or 70's. I also remember when there was no chemotherapy, antibiotics as we know today....I remember getting polio shots. A dear friend's mother died of cancer.....there was no treatment back then, so she was left to die. The medical community and the pharmaceutical companys have made such great strides, thus all the treatments, etc. that we are able to obtain, which extends our lives.

I am sure that you are much younger than me, but I really had to respond to your comment.

I do think that the young people of today who chose to smoke are doing themselves a great disservice---they know all the risks, whereas some generations did not!!!!

 

[yitbos96bb]

Smokers who smoke around non-smokers are different from the other groups you mentioned, in that smokers jeopardize the health of those around them. Non-smoking rooms should be guaranteed, and smokers who smoke in those rooms fined if they do smoke in the room. I don't care if that is not fair for the smoker, did the smoker who previously had my room care about me and my family? No, they did not! I spent 4 hours in the emergency room at Sand Lake Hospital with a child having a severe asthma attack, thanks to the person who smoked in our non-smoking room. Yes, Disney did move us to another room, but that emergency room cost us over $900, plus the ambulance. I also found out that they really don't like to accept insurance from out-of-state residents, because they might not get paid. While it all ended up OK in the end, it sure did cast a pall over our vacation.

I'm sorry that you had a bad experience. I agree with you that non-smoking rooms should be guarenteed. But you still haven't addressed the point of how a fine can be imposed. Yes, the sentiment isn't a bad one, but it is an emotional one. You have to look at the practicality of the situation. What if you were charged the smoking fine when you DIDN'T smoke in your room? Would that be fair? Are you telling me you wouldn't raise holy heck with Disney for this charge? How does one prove WHO smoked in a room?

As I said, I can support guarenteed non-smoking and smoking rooms. I can support no smoking in common areas of the hotel, such as hallways, lobbies, etc. But I can't support an all out ban, especially with the balconies. That goes way to far.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I've been in a similar situation. Celebration Hospital did accept my insurance. Smokers have an addiction and others should not have to suffer because of it. If you have to smoke, go find somewhere where it doesn't affect others. Smokers have made the choice to be socially unacceptable.

One could flip that around on you and say that maybe you should stay at a place where all smoking is banned. Is that fair for you? Of course not. Hence the need for smoking rooms so they CAN go to a room where non-smokers shouldn't stay in.

Yes, smokers shouldn't smoke in a nonsmoking room. But even if smoking was banned in all rooms, how do you keep it from happening...they already smoked in rooms that were non smoking. Tell me how to do a fine and ACTUALLY make it stick... so that someone can't argue that it was the people before them. I think it is impossible and five minutes of complaining will get it removed from the bill. So how about a pragmatic solution?

 

[yitbos96bb]

?Short People?

People who target shoot from balconies, come on folks, keep the shooting indoors!

Cripes and or Bloods?

People who listen to Lawrence Welk Music, loudly.

People who Polka in upper-story rooms late at night or early in the AM

Hairy People, People who talk loudly, 'those NASTY' DVCers from the Northeastern States (and you alll know who you are!), Terrorists, oops mean militants, oops mean insurgents?

Point Renters

Point Rentees

Long Posters

People who chew tebacco and spit!

Rap Stars (?oxymoron? alert)

And of course Democrats......(just kidding, really!)

Me

-Tony

I throw out Republicans in response to your Democrat line (Just kidding too )

How about politicians of any party (Not kidding)

Celebrities who feel the need to bring their entourages (I saw Tom Cruise when I worked at DAK and he had a group of 30 people. I also saw Rick Smits and Kevin Kline and they were both just with their families and of course their little Guest Service person)

 

[athenna]

Smokers have made the choice to be socially unacceptable.

I was going to stay out of this I really was, I mean how many times can we talk about this anyway????? The horse you're all trying to beat has been dead a long time.
But
Socially unacceptable???? Are you kidding me?? Now smokers should not be a part of society???? I've seen society be a lot of more accepting of a lot worse things, in this day and age. Right or wrong.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I was going to stay out of this I really was, I mean how many times can we talk about this anyway????? The horse you're all trying to beat has been dead a long time.
But
Socially unacceptable???? Are you kidding me?? Now smokers should not be a part of society???? I've seen society be a lot of more accepting of a lot worse things, in this day and age. Right or wrong.

Boy I wish I could rate comments like I can on some the blogs I go to... I would give this one the highest score possible.

A++++++ Comment!

 

[crisi]

We have the technology, we can rebuild him....

http://wizmart.manufacturer.globals...e/product_id-1000727069/action-GetProduct.htm

I work in an industry where particle detectors are all over the place (semiconductor manufacter). You could put something in that would let you know WHEN people smoke in the room and fine the appropriate person.

And a nitpick, no one is allergic to cigarette smoke - it lacks the protein to be an allergin. You can be sensative to it, and it can trigger asthma attacks, but you aren't allergic.

I didn't vote. I'd personally rather have a non-smoking guarentee with fines for smokers in the room (via a good particle detector). I'm not a smoker, but I'm not sure how I feel about a vacation with my father in law - who is a smoker, where he can't smoke even on the balcony and has to walk a million miles to a smoking area - he gets cranky as it is. Nor am I sure how I feel about designated smoking areas - unless they are far enough off the trail to not impact me. I can usually put up with the smoke from one smoker - but when they form packs in designated locations, its overwhelming - even from a distance and even outside.

 

[Chuck S]

Rather than asking the question whether Disney should ban smoking in rooms, perhaps your energies would better be spent lobbying your US congressman to ban the sale of tobacco products nationwiide...wouldn't that solve the problem?

 

[yitbos96bb]

We have the technology, we can rebuild him....

http://wizmart.manufacturer.globals...e/product_id-1000727069/action-GetProduct.htm

I work in an industry where particle detectors are all over the place (semiconductor manufacter). You could put something in that would let you know WHEN people smoke in the room and fine the appropriate person.

And a nitpick, no one is allergic to cigarette smoke - it lacks the protein to be an allergin. You can be sensative to it, and it can trigger asthma attacks, but you aren't allergic.

I didn't vote. I'd personally rather have a non-smoking guarentee with fines for smokers in the room (via a good particle detector). I'm not a smoker, but I'm not sure how I feel about a vacation with my father in law - who is a smoker, where he can't smoke even on the balcony and has to walk a million miles to a smoking area - he gets cranky as it is. Nor am I sure how I feel about designated smoking areas - unless they are far enough off the trail to not impact me. I can usually put up with the smoke from one smoker - but when they form packs in designated locations, its overwhelming - even from a distance and even outside.

Wow, that is pretty cool. How much is that thing anyway? There is no price.

My only complaint would be the raise in dues to put these in. If it is reasonable though, I would support it.

 

[MsYumiBr]

Wow. What a good question for DVC. I've been considering joining for a while now. The problem with smoking is that even if you don't smoke in the room, the smell is still on your clothes, items, hands, hair, etc. It is impossible to clean off after smoking unless you take a shower, brush your teeth, change and wash your clothes. If you are time sharing a place with someone else who doesn't smoke, it is only right to ban smoking from inside the buildings. We have never smoked in the house and it is a hard, fast rule not to smoke in the house. We just go into the garage during extreme weather. However, what do you do about residue?

 

[yitbos96bb]

Rather than asking the question whether Disney should ban smoking in rooms, perhaps your energies would better be spent lobbying your US congressman to ban the sale of tobacco products nationwiide...wouldn't that solve the problem?

It would solve one problem, but completely decimate an entire industry, laying off hundreds of thousands of people who work for the cigarette companies. It would also decimate the tobacco farmers and all the workers they employ. Don't forget the cigar shops and discount cigarette stores who would be put out of business. Not to mention the probable rise in organized crime as criminals start bootlegging and dealing cigarettes in the same way they sell pot, coke, X, Heroin, etc. And it would probably also require a massive tax raise to make up for the taxes that are currently placed on tobacco sales as local, state and federal governments scramble to pay for various items that they can no longer pay for.

But even with smoking losing popularity, there is too much money being thrown congress's way by big tobacco for this to ever happen.

 

[pluto109]

please vote ...i will be sending this to dvc management