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[oregondisneyfans]

Question-when Saratoga was built and the point schedule created, how did it compare to VWL or the others. Especially interested in those that have owned from the beginning. Asking because of buying in at Saratoga now and lets say my dream comes true and one is built in California,will points be higher to stay there or be similar to what they are right now at buy in? hope this question makes sense.

 

[granmanh603]

Hi We own at BVW and SSR. We own since 2000. If you get the point book from DVC the least points to stay is OKW oldest resort. But the other are just a little different and are adjusted by season and day of week, weekends more. If you ask your guide they can be more specific but I think if they open in California they will be in the same point range. Right now with the Friends and family referral the points for buying in are 83.30 per point with 150 minimum . If you need a referral name or more info please PM me. Carol

 

[oregondisneyfans]

ok. I was thinking those that had signed a long time ago had a lower point structure to stay at the resorts compared to those that are buying now.

 

[Doctor P]

In general, of the on-site WDW DVC resorts, OKW has the lowest points for a given type of room at any given time of year. BCV, BWV (preferred), and VWL have exactly the same point structure (except for the fact that BWV has GV and the other two resorts do not). BWV (standard view) point structure is in between that of OKW and the other resorts. Interestingly, when SSR came on line it came in with a point structure that, pretty much, was below all the other resorts except for OKW. So, it isn't necessarily the case that a new resort will have a higher point structure, however SSR is likely to be a special case because of the existing infrastructure already on site from the Disney Institute properties that were torn down, the immense size of the resort (meaning that central costs can be spread over more units), and the fact that SSR (along with OKW) is exclusively a DVC resort.

 

[PinkTink63]

Question-when Saratoga was built and the point schedule created, how did it compare to VWL or the others. Especially interested in those that have owned from the beginning. Asking because of buying in at Saratoga now and lets say my dream comes true and one is built in California,will points be higher to stay there or be similar to what they are right now at buy in? hope this question makes sense.[/QUOTE


I would be curious to know also. It seems to me, by looking at the point chart, the size of the resort makes a difference. The larger the resort, less in dues and maybe less in points.
I think the points are high to use at DL now, because the are not DVC. If they ever did build one there, would points be lower? As it stands right now, to use our points at the time of year we go, it is 29pts/nt. Sun-Thur. Where as we can get a PV at BWV for 13 pts/nt for the same time.
The other question is.....where we they put a new resort. Maybe they would add on? Who knows if they will ever do that. I'm not holding my breath!
Anyway, we really like WDW better, but we are so much closer to DL. It would be nice for shorter trips.
Stephanie

 

[greenban]

ok. I was thinking those that had signed a long time ago had a lower point structure to stay at the resorts compared to those that are buying now.

It is my understanding, that the DVC cannot change the total # of points requiredfor stays at any resort. They can adjust them, for example raising the weekday costs of a 1 BR at OKW, they would have to lower the points for another time period, keeping the total # of points the same. I believe this has occurred once, in the past at OKW, when they made weekends higher (in point costs) and weekdays lower.

But the overall totals cannot change.

I'm hoping one of our uber-experts will chime in.....

-Tony

 

[Alexander]

It is my understanding, that the DVC cannot change the total # of points requiredfor stays at any resort. They can adjust them, for example raising the weekday costs of a 1 BR at OKW, they would have to lower the points for another time period, keeping the total # of points the same. I believe this has occurred once, in the past at OKW, when they made weekends higher (in point costs) and weekdays lower.

But the overall totals cannot change.

I'm hoping one of our uber-experts will chime in.....

-Tony

Right. The total number of points for a villa over the course of a year will remain the same. They will adjust for holidays, weekends, etc. However if you stayed 365 days in 2005 and you stay at the same resort, same size villa in 2006, the number of points you use are the same.

With that being said, there was an instance when they did change the point amounts at OKW. This was not received very well by the owners. This took place quite a while ago, and I don't know a lot of details.

The larger the resort, the more owners. This will help to distribute the fees for maintenance, taxes, etc. across more people. SSR is a brand new property so maintenance issues are not as prevalent as the resorts that are in need of repairs. They also retained some of the structures from the Disney Institute. Not buildings with villas, but buildings like the check-in building. This helped to keep the initial building costs down.

SSR is also a huge resort and was not readily accepted by owners at the three smaller properties, so I can't help but wonder if these things didn't impact the points schedule. I'm sure supply and demand also play a big roll. There is ample supply of villas at SSR in comparison to BCV or VWL. But for exactly how DVC determines the points schedule, is a mystery to me.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I agree that one of the reasons both OKW and SSR have lower point schedules than the others is because they are DVC only and larger than the other on-site DVCs.

 

[Caskbill]

Right. The total number of points for a villa over the course of a year will remain the same. They will adjust for holidays, weekends, etc. However if you stayed 365 days in 2005 and you stay at the same resort, same size villa in 2006, the number of points you use are the same.

Actually there's a very subtle change year to year. For example a 1-B/R at OKW for all of 2005 would have been 10,358 points, but the same villa for all of 2006 would be 10,311 points. The difference is due to the way weekdays/weekends fall within the different DVC seasons. For instance, Magic season is 129 days of the year. In 2005 38 of those days were weekend days, and 91 days were weekdays. But for 2006 only 37 days are on a weekend, and 92 days were weekdays.

With that being said, there was an instance when they did change the point amounts at OKW. This was not received very well by the owners. This took place quite a while ago, and I don't know a lot of details.

Not sure why you say that. We bought in '93. The OKW point reallocation took place in 1996. The change wasn't that big and I was not upset and don't recall any kind of real owner issue with it. VB, HH and BWV were all resorts by 1996, and BWV had a much higher point structure than OKW. Remember, if points go up for one type of villa or one type of season, they must go down somewhere else so that the basic overall point structure does not change. They cannot just unilaterally raise all the point requirements.

Many of the changes were small of only a single point or two. For example an OKW Studio, weekday, in Adventure season went from 7 points to 8, and the weekend rate went from 17 to 20. But a 1-B/R in Choice season went from 23 weekday and 57 weekend to 22 weekday and 54 weekend, or just the opposite of the Studio/Adventure season change. If you got a Studio, it cost a little more, if you got a 1-B/R, it cost you a little less.

 

[spiceycat]

SSR point chart does not look like the others.

It is higher than BWV standard view.

besides - my opinion - the closer the resorts are to the theme parks - the higher the points.

I really expected both VWL and BCV to be more than BWV preferred - but they aren't!!!!

SSR is inbetween those and BWV standard.

California would be different. Disney has the hotels there to do an estimate of what it will need. Although with DVC - Disney was wrong on the seasons. I don't think they ever expected to be so busy during the off season times.

but Dvers aren't there just to see the parks!!!

I don't think that the DVC point charts will ever be redone again. they had a chance a couple of years ago - when the Dis resorts when with Oct and Nov in regular season. But DVC did NOT do this -