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Originally posted by ThAnswr
In the unlikely event Bush gets re-elected, I will never support him. I think he is nothing short of an unmitigated disaster for this country. His conduct of this war, and the events leading up to this war, did not merit his re-election (?), but his impeachment and removal from office.

As an American citizen, the Constitution guarantees us the right to be the loyal opposition and I plan to take full advantage of that right if Bush should be re-elected.
I see that as a character lapse on a persons part to take that position. I will not be taking that same unprincipled approach if Kerry is elected, I will be supporting president Kerry if that occurs. The fact that so many democrats seem to hold to your line of thinking is one of the reasons I am so turned off by the democrat party. That kind of thinking along with the two different sets of rules approach, one for me and another for everyone else is democrap, the bad side fo the democrat party. Of course, there's tons of bad side of the republican party, only one example is the excessiveness fo the religious far right. Even on the issue level I dissagree with the republican stance on abortion, mandatory drug laws, placation of the ultra rich, etc.

Personally, I'm an undecided voter. I will not be voting for John Kerry, but I haven't decided whether or not to vote for Colin Powell, as I have done previously.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
I agree completely. What this man has done cannot be ignored and I cannot and will not support it.

I agree wholeheartedly. Something that is never mentioned is that the president is supposed to be the president of all Americans. Bush has, from day one, acted like the president of the Americans who voted for him.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
I agree wholeheartedly. Something that is never mentioned is that the president is supposed to be the president of all Americans. Bush has, from day one, acted like the president of the Americans who voted for him.
There's a reason that is never mentioned.....

Certainly standing on top of the world trade center rubble with the bullhorn Bush was not the president of only the Americans who voted for him.

Bush has a ton of faults, plenty to go around. No need to make false ones up.
 

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Don't know what he said cause I have him on "IGNORE" for the time being but it sounds like the same old drivel, am I right?

Yup. SSDD!

I use that "IGNORE" feature too, but sometimes you've just got to sneak a peek to view the latest lunacy.
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Originally posted by ThAnswr
Yup. SSDD!

I use that "IGNORE" feature too, but sometimes you've just got to sneak a peek to view the latest lunacy.
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I know, and I always hate myself in the morning when I do. But I am getting better at just literally ignoring some posters.

Has anyone been to the Bush thread? Are there Kerry supporters over there trying to start arguments?
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
yep


CARE shutting down operations in Iraq, too dangerous.

100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq.

US extending tours for US troops in Iraq

Stocks had a whopping 2.51 point rally today

No republican has ever won the white house without Ohio." Polls show slight lead for Kerry.

Sportsmen and hunters - going for Kerry? "hook & bullet crowd" - 30 million voters - historically voted Republican - polls now say they're worried Bush not conserving environment but favoring oil companies - they want to pass fishing and hunting on to their children. It's "not just about gun rights anymore."

Those are some of tonight's news stories....defnitely not a good news day for Bush.

Oh, and for anyone who missed it, ABC news actually showed the tape of Bush flipping the bird....including Bush saying he was giving the one finger salute, in case anyone wanted to try to say it was a doctored tape.

ABC also showed the video of the soldiers, when they arrived in April 2003, breaking the locks on some of the bunkers at Al-Qaqaa and looking at some of the contents which one weapons inspector said was the explosive.

Bush and Bushie rationalization........"who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes"?
 
Originally posted by ThAnswr


In the unlikely event Bush gets re-elected, I will never support him. I think he is nothing short of an unmitigated disaster for this country. His conduct of this war, and the events leading up to this war, did not merit his re-election (?), but his impeachment and removal from office.

As an American citizen, the Constitution guarantees us the right to be the loyal opposition and I plan to take full advantage of that right if Bush should be re-elected.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I marched in the 60s and I'm prepared to take to the streets again.
 
Originally posted by LisaZoe
Ah, but we still get to run around "nekkid" when Kerry wins, right?

:cheer2: Oh gee, I certainly hope so. I have my birthday suit all pressed and ready to go!:cheer2:
 
Originally posted by Desperado
There's a reason that is never mentioned.....

Certainly standing on top of the world trade center rubble with the bullhorn Bush was not the president of only the Americans who voted for him.

-------Breaking my self-imposed silence:

That perfect photo-op at the WTC was just that the perfect photo-op. Bush went from the rubble at the WTC to planning the war in Iraq. He used the patriotism and fear 9/11 generated to push that war and continues to do so today.

End of story.

------Going back to the self-imposed silence.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
I know, and I always hate myself in the morning when I do. But I am getting better at just literally ignoring some posters.

Has anyone been to the Bush thread? Are there Kerry supporters over there trying to start arguments?

I haven't checked it in a couple of days. It got pretty old and didn't seem worth wasting my time to even read it much less post to it. I know I wouldn't change the mind of any poster on that thread so wouldn't post in an attempt to do so and I see no point in wasting my time or theirs. It's amazing that some people don't seem to mind making repeated attempts at such an exercise in futility.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
I agree completely. What this man has done cannot be ignored and I cannot and will not support it.

Three points here:

1) I have never recognized Bush as My President. He was not elected to office. I abhor the phrase "Re-elect(ed).

2) Once he is out of office, I'd like to see him charged for the crimes he has committed against his country and the world.

3) There is now no doubt in my mind that Kerry is going to win. I can really feel it, especially after today. How about you guys?
 
Originally posted by LisaZoe
Can we wear tiaras?

Absolutely!!! Tiaras are definitely in order...we will be the princesses of social justice...and maybe margaritias?;)

edited to add: yes, I think clothes are definitely in order for a WDW meet, but election night is certainly optional (in appropriate company, of course;) )
 
Oh yea, one more thing...

My husband came home today after voting at an early voting location and he said he stood in line for a whole hour! For early voting! And it wasn't even a lunchtime rush hour. I stood in line for 20 minutes at the university.

If early voting records in TX are any indication of what the election sites are going to look like on Tues., I think this election could be ground breaking. The news said yesterday that we are on track to have 70% of the vote in by election day. And especially if the youth vote comes out, this is going to be excellent news for Kerry-Edwards!:hyper:
 
Originally posted by Lebjwb
Three points here:

1) I have never recognized Bush as My President. He was not elected to office. I abhor the phrase "Re-elect(ed).

2) Once he is out of office, I'd like to see him charged for the crimes he has committed against his country and the world.

3) There is now no doubt in my mind that Kerry is going to win. I can really feel it, especially after today. How about you guys?

::yes::
 
Another thing that bothers me about the conservatives is how they're overlooking the money that Bush is spending. He's been spending money like a crazy man and not just on the war. I thought that conservatives hated that? The worst part is that someone is going to have to pay eventually.

I'm so ready now to get it over with. No more squabbling just a new leader. :hyper:
 
This was just posted on Salon
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/index.htm

NASA photo analyst: Bush wore a device during debate
Physicist says imaging techniques prove the president's bulge was not caused by wrinkled clothing.
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By Kevin Berger
Oct. 29, 2004 | George W. Bush tried to laugh off the bulge. "I don't know what that is," he said on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, referring to the infamous protrusion beneath his jacket during the presidential debates. "I'm embarrassed to say it's a poorly tailored shirt."
Dr. Robert M. Nelson, however, was not laughing. He knew the president was not telling the truth. And Nelson is neither conspiracy theorist nor midnight blogger. He's a senior research scientist for NASA and for Caltech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and an international authority on image analysis. Currently he's engrossed in analyzing digital photos of Saturn's moon Titan, determining its shape, whether it contains craters or canyons.
For the past week, while at home, using his own computers, and off the clock at Caltech and NASA, Nelson has been analyzing images of the president's back during the debates. A professional physicist and photo analyst for more than 30 years, he speaks earnestly and thoughtfully about his subject. "I am willing to stake my scientific reputation to the statement that Bush was wearing something under his jacket during the debate," he says. "This is not about a bad suit. And there's no way the bulge can be described as a wrinkled shirt."
Nelson and a scientific colleague produced the photos from a videotape, recorded by the colleague, who has chosen to remain anonymous, of the first debate. The images provide the most vivid details yet of the bulge beneath the president's suit. Amateurs have certainly had their turn at examining the bulge, but no professional with a résumé as impressive as Nelson's has ventured into public with an informed opinion. In fact, no one to date has enhanced photos of Bush's jacket to this degree of precision, and revealed what appears to be some kind of mechanical device with a wire snaking up the president's shoulder toward his neck and down his back to his waist.
Nelson stresses that he's not certain what lies beneath the president's jacket. He offers, though, "that it could be some type of electronic device -- it's consistent with the appearance of an electronic device worn in that manner." The image of lines coursing up and down the president's back, Nelson adds, is "consistent with a wire or a tube."
Nelson used the computer software program Photoshop to enhance the texture in Bush's jacket. The process in no way alters the image but sharpens its edges and accents the creases and wrinkles. You've seen the process performed a hundred times on "CSI": pixelated images are magnified to reveal a clear definition of their shape.
Bruce Hapke, professor emeritus of planetary science in the department of geology and planetary science at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed the Bush images employed by Nelson, whom he calls "a very highly respected scientist in his field." Hapke says Nelson's process of analyzing the images are the "exact same methods we use to analyze images taken by spacecraft of planetary surfaces. It does not introduce any artifacts into the picture in any way."
How can Nelson be certain there's some kind of mechanical device beneath Bush's jacket? It's all about light and shadows, he says. The angles at which the light in the studio hit Bush's jacket expose contours that fit no one's picture of human anatomy and wrinkled shirts. And Nelson compared the images to anatomy texts. He also experimented with wrinkling shirts in various configurations, wore them under his jacket under his bathroom light, and couldn't produce anything close to the Bush bulge.
In the enhanced photo of the first debate, Nelson says, look at the horizontal white line in middle of the president's back. You'll see a shadow. "That's telling me there's definitely a bulge," he says. "In fact, it's how we measure the depths of the craters on the moon or on Mars. We look at the angle of the light and the length of shadow they leave. In this case, that's clearly a crater that's under the horizontal line -- it's clearly a rim of a bulge protruding upward, one due to forces pushing it up from beneath."
Hapke, too, agrees that the bulge is neither anatomy nor a wrinkled shirt. "I would think it's very hard to avoid the conclusion that there's something underneath his jacket," he says. "It would certainly be consistent with some kind of radio receiver and a wire."
Nelson admits that he's a Democrat and plans to vote for John Kerry. But he takes umbrage at being accused of partisanship. "Everyone wants to think my colleague and I are just a bunch of dope-crazed ravaged Democrats who are looking to insult the president at the last minute," he says. "And that's not what this is about. This is scientific analysis. If the bulge were on Bill Clinton's back and he was lying about it, I'd have to say the same thing."
"Look, he says, "I'm putting myself at risk for exposing this. But this is too important. It's not about my reputation. If they force me into an early retirement, it'll be worth it if the public knows about this. It's outrageous statements that I read that the president is wearing nothing under there. There's clearly something there."

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