For eight years...

[CPT Tripss]

This administration has never referred to its many critics as anti American. President Bush has not defended himself the way he was more than entitled to. The MSM has been non stop in their exhibition of their Bush Derangement Syndrome, and yet I have never seen them branded as Anti American. I have done my own research on the president elect and he needs to demonstrate to me that past performance, associations and behavior aren't indicative of future behavior.

Oh please, refresh your memory . . . the President, Vice President, conservative politicians and pundits as well as high ranking members of the executive branch labeled critics of the Iraq War and other of the President's policies as un-American, anti-American or un-patriotic by their speeches and statements. Remember Novak, Goss, Brooks, Bennett, Rep. Young, et al.?

Now, please don't quibble about exact word usage, the rhetoric has been quite clear. If one is against the war or opposed to the mistreatment of prisoners in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, they are for "our enemies" - has been a rallying cry of the administration and "the Right."

 

[Geoff_M]

Oh please, refresh your memory . . . the President, Vice President, conservative politicians and pundits as well as high ranking members of the executive branch labeled critics of the Iraq War and other of the President's policies as un-American, anti-American or un-patriotic by their speeches and statements. Remember Novak, Goss, Brooks, Bennett, Rep. Young, et al.?

Now, please don't quibble about exact word usage, the rhetoric has been quite clear. If one is against the war or opposed to the mistreatment of prisoners in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, they are for "our enemies" - has been a rallying cry of the administration and "the Right."

Oh, please! The melodrama!

Let's see all of these quotes from Bush and high-ranking republicans (not including pundits, former elected official, columnists, or a stray Congressman) calling people "unpatriotic" for simply opposing the administration's policies or speaking out against mistreatment of prisoners. The time I've usually heard the "U" word uttered was from the mouths of Administration critics in a manner that was to defend against an accusation that was never made... "Don't you dare call me 'unpatriotic' for saying blah, blah, blah..."

An for the record, it's not just members of the GOP that's starting to knock Obama before he takes office. "Progressives" are starting to express dismay that he's not picking members of their group for cabinet positions after they supported him, anti-war groups are alarmed at the "hawkish" nature of his apparent military/national security picks, and even the press is starting to get into the act.

 

[rentayenta]

Well, then that makes it all okay. Bashing another poster who isn't even here to defend himself.



By all means...if you feel it's acceptable...have at it.

Do you need a refresher in the rational conversation talk we had earlier. It doesn't matter.

 

[rayelias]

What a guy. He really walks the walk.

That poster is a great person.

I admire him for the strength of his conviction.

He certainly does walk the walk and surfs the waves, truly an exceptional person.

he is a wonderfully intelligent person who stands by his convictions. Always. Some could learn many lessons from him.

It's easier for some people to cast judgment, when in fact they have no idea what it is they are talking about. You see, it's about what everyone else is doing, and not what they're doing at all. It's really that simple.

he is a wonderfully intelligent person who stands by his convictions. Always. Some could learn many lessons from him.

How about not placing judgments on a poster who isn't here to defend himself?

Judgements are not always negative. They can be positive, as well. Based on the judgements some of you have posted about him... Kinda hypocritical, dontcha think?

I don't know the guy and I'm not judging him. I don't even know who you're talking about. I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocricy.

Some blast others for making judgments, while they make a judgment (albeit different) in the very same post!

Do you 'know' him?
No?
Then maybe we shouldn't judge.

Do you 'know' him?

Then, maybe we should take our own advice.

 

[Goofyluver]

Judgements are not always negative. They can be positive, as well.



Based on the judgements some of you have posted about him... Kinda hypocritical, dontcha think?

And, I don't know the guy and I'm not judging him. I don't even know who you're talking about. I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocricy.

Some blast others for making judgments, while they make a judgment (albeit different) in the very same post!

You're right. It's exactly the same thing to place both negative and positive judgments on someone. It's even better if you do it when the person isn't here to defend themselves. Yup. Exactly the same.

Please...by all means...call me hypocritical for defending someone who wasn't here to defend himself against bashing, while in the same breathe I offered positive support to that poster.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Geoff M
From Pres Bush 2005 Vet Day speech lambasting critics of the Iraq War “...these baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America’s will.”

 

[Disney Doll]

We could not point out the flaws in our Country or President. If we did, we were seen as Anti-American by the current Administration and his minions.

I have neither a right nor a left wing philosophy, but I don't ever recall seeing or hearing anyone here or anywhere else not exercising thier right to criticize the President.

 

[Charade]

Geoff M
From Pres Bush 2005 Vet Day speech lambasting critics of the Iraq War “...these baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America’s will.”

So he's not allowed to defend himself against "patriotic" criticism?

 

[BrokeforDisney]

...holy crap, are you kidding making that statement ...I'm just counting the 4 years off each day starting 1/20...because the Democrats will do the same thing they did the last time they controlled the White House, Senate and House...raise taxes, cut military spending, increase government, etc, etc...besides there is no need th bash Obama...he's not even going to be the most powerful person in Washington...that wil be Nancy Pelosi.

Here...HERE!!! I did not vote Obama , I did vote for Palin..uh, I mean McCain ( me snickers ) and was proud of my choice. I voted with the thoughts of "Prepared to lead" rather than "Best public speaker".

I will agree that the president has never been the most powerful position, Speaker of the house has had alot of power, as does the president, but overall the Congress tends to hold the most power most of the time. Because it's politics, every level pushes and pulls each other to give in to make the majority of other levels ,regardless of the "height" of those levels, happy. Just recollect that while Bush has been bashed for years, and though many are doing the same to Obama, it is the Congress that has skirted the majority of bashings, pointed the finger at Bush, and continued to suck the American taxpayer dry with little to no results.

It's all a matter of "checks and balances" however Congress as of the last 10 years or so has started to pull more "checks" than balance. Just take a headcount of Democrats to Republicans in congress. Let that be the answer to the whole problem America is facing today. Along with overall greed and the thought of how fast can corporate America make a dollar and get out of responsibility.

I think we will all second guess ourselves in the coming years in our choices.

 

[ols386]

I really wish we could start healing the wounds and begin reuniting as a nation. I think we are way more divided as a country now, than we were a couple of years ago when the campaigning initially started. So many people around the world hate us as Americans, and this is a time when we really do need to be united. I don't mean any disrespect to the OP, but I don't think your posting this thread does anything to start any kind of healing process and bring people, both sides, any closer together. This type of thread just stirs the pot.

As an Obama supporter myself, I see 'some' Obama supporters gloating over Obama's being elected...and again, it only stirs the pot, and keeps all the negative energy going on and on and on. I'm not saying that if you are an Obama supporter you can't be excited and happy about his being elected, but saying things like "get over it" are hurtful. Maybe if you reached out to the "other side" (sorry, couldn't think of a better term to use) with kindness and patience it could start to turn things around in a positive manner.

If you are an Obama supporter and voted for him, then I guess you could look at it as being on the winning team, so to speak. If you're on that team, it's up to you (us) to reach out and start the healing with kindness. Not saying it would be easy or happen in a day, but I believe it CAN happen. It's not a perfect world, so you can't reach everyone, but I believe you can give it your BEST shot. (And when I say 'you', I'm also talking about myself) I can understand the McCain supporters being disappointed that he was not elected, and they can't just "get over it" overnight, it will take time. But they will never reach that point if the "other side" (sorry about the words) keeps beating up on them. Again OP, I really don't mean any disrespect to you, I hope it's not taken that way.

 

[Purseval]

I really wish we could start healing the wounds and begin reuniting as a nation.

Of course you do, your side won the election. Where was all the love for the past 8 years?

I think we are way more divided as a country now, than we were a couple of years ago when the campaigning initially started. So many people around the world hate us as Americans, and this is a time when we really do need to be united.

If the world hates us so much why don't they start taking care of their own problems? I agree that Obama should bring the troops home, only he should start with Germany, not Iraq. Let Japan pay for their own defense. Let the UN pay their own way instead of expecting the USA to foot most of the bill. Same with the World Bank. We have plenty of ways to save big money in a big hurry and you would hear the screeching from one end of the world to the other if we did.

I don't mean any disrespect to the OP, but I don't think your posting this thread does anything to start any kind of healing process and bring people, both sides, any closer together. This type of thread just stirs the pot.

Call me incedulous but ITA

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Of course you do, your side won the election. Where was all the love for the past 8 years?



If the world hates us so much why don't they start taking care of their own problems? I agree that Obama should bring the troops home, only he should start with Germany, not Iraq. Let Japan pay for their own defense. Let the UN pay their own way instead of expecting the USA to foot most of the bill. Same with the World Bank. We have plenty of ways to save big money in a big hurry and you would hear the screeching from one end of the world to the other if we did.




Call me incedulous but ITA

incedulous. That's you. But what is an incedulous?

 

[ols386]

Of course you do, your side won the election. Where was all the love for the past 8 years?



If the world hates us so much why don't they start taking care of their own problems? I agree that Obama should bring the troops home, only he should start with Germany, not Iraq. Let Japan pay for their own defense. Let the UN pay their own way instead of expecting the USA to foot most of the bill. Same with the World Bank. We have plenty of ways to save big money in a big hurry and you would hear the screeching from one end of the world to the other if we did.




Call me incedulous but ITA

Sorry, I was trying to show some compassion.

 

[c4a]

We could not point out the flaws in our Country or President. If we did, we were seen as Anti-American by the current Administration and his minions.

I find it fascinating that the people who fell straight in line do nothing but bash the 44th President before he has even taken office. Which Country exactly do you put first?

For all of you asking innocent questions, go read the platform.

For all of you with a Right Wing philosophy, get over yourselves, you lost, why don't you show just a little respect to the majority who voted for our President Elect.

For all you conservatives who do not agree with the President Elect based on your own research and not what some crackpot has told you, we can certainly respect your choice.[/QUOTE]

Gee, thanks for respecting my choice.

Now, would Trolly stir like a hero cookie?

 

[Pin Wizard]

OMG!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh!!!!

If you can post that statement with a straight face, then where the hell have you been for the last few years!!!!

And, just what do you call the entire remainder of your post that I just quoted from above if not completely HOSTILE BASHING!!! (go back and re-read your words....)

What do you call the fact that you began such a hostile and argumentative thread in order to raise emotional ire???

I am no big Bush supporter... I think I speak for myself and for many when I say...
Gimme a break.... Give all of us a break.

Look, Chris1gill,
People have different beliefs and viewpoints.. whomever is in charge, there are those who will disagree. That is the wonderful beauty of our system of government.

As they say, Chris1gill.... If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

You may realize that you and I are two of those people who are on entirely different ends of the spectrum... Completely opposit in many of our beliefs and priorities and viewpoints... I can say that I have very very rarely found much that I can agree with you on threads of many different issues. (not just the presidential posts...) Hey, That's life...

Your man won... You can quit the whinin' and bichin' and negative attacks now...

 

[CPT Tripss]

So he's not allowed to defend himself against "patriotic" criticism?

Way to twist words . . . of course Pres. Bush can "defend" himself. But his quote “...these baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America’s will. . .” was being used to point out that Administration people questioned the patriotism of those who disagreed with the administration.

Sounds like you see criticism of Pres Bush and his policies as unpatriotic.

 

[Master Mason]

Way to twist words . . . of course Pres. Bush can "defend" himself. But his quote “...these baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America’s will. . .” was being used to point out that Administration people questioned the patriotism of those who disagreed with the administration.

Sounds like you see criticism of Pres Bush and his policies as unpatriotic.

Actually it seemed to me, that he was stating that the baseless attacks were undermining our troops that were in harms way. It didn't sound to me like he was worried about the adminstration but the troops.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Actually it seemed to me, that he was stating that the baseless attacks were undermining our troops that were in harms way. It didn't sound to me like he was worried about the adminstration but the troops.

It sounded to me like he was trying to stifle criticism by those who protested the war. Baseless, my foot.

 

[Goofyluver]

Actually it seemed to me, that he was stating that the baseless attacks were undermining our troops that were in harms way. It didn't sound to me like he was worried about the adminstration but the troops.

Baseless? Baseless???

Surely you jest.

 

[Master Mason]

It sounded to me like he was trying to stifle criticism by those who protested the war. Baseless, my foot.

See how the same sentance can be interpreted two entirely different ways?