For anyone who has rented out their points: Would you do this?

[lisaviolet]

and no self respecting HONEST DVC member looking to rent points would go thru all that.

Hey! Hey! Don't be so sure. Stop chatising me! We all have our weaknesses Liferbabe.

Red flags were merely pretty things blowing in the wind.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Hey! Hey! Don't be so sure. Stop chatising me! We all have our weaknesses Liferbabe.

Red flags were merely pretty things blowing in the wind.

OK Lisa, we will let that one slide But we really do not have to go thru all this to rent our points if we need to. Just have to be more selective

I only deal with magical people and if they dont feel magical I move on I may not feel so magical to them either

I am not a commercial renter and have no points left after our Family reunion blowout but I agree, tiresome is being polite!

 

[bavaria]

Easy. I trust them, they trust me.

Why is everything so complicated?

PS I use the past tense for me being the renter. No way I would go through this stuff to rent points!
Transfer to another member, yes. Rent to a non-member, no.

I agree 100%. I've never had a rental contract when I rented points before becoming an onwer. I transferred points to people without a three way call. I had points transferred in to my account.

I still email some of those people on a personal level. Maybe I am naive, or too trusting, but I knew the risk.

Even when I didn't own, I understood that there was a certain element of trust. I was grateful to get the booking, and never made any changes or requests of the person renting me the points.

Perhaps I am in the minority, but whoever said that a certain personality is best for being a renter, I agree.

And isn't it interesting that the ones renting points are usually the ones with the LOW post counts, and the ones who are the owners are the ones with the HIGH post counts?

I don't think that I have ever 'talked' to Sajetto here, but her name is certainly familiar. And her high post count would certainly give me some reassurance.

 

[suzyqqq27]

OT but since you were somewhat discussing this issue...

How long does it take to appear on the Orange County register after purchasing a resale? Can one access the register on-line? We haven't closed yet on our contract and was wondering if I could check on the process this way.

Let me know if possible,
Suzanne

 

[sajetto]

Lisa, I'm with you 100% it was getting tiresome. Oh and to answer your question, YES she did in fact see my post count. If I was going to scam someone I sure wouldn't use the screen name I have had on the boards for all this time and lose the respect of those that I have come to have a relationship with on these boards. I love it here and I wouldn't risk the fun times I have here on the DIS for a measly $11. My friendships are worth much more to me than that.

Muushka, that is the way it worked for me in my last rental as well and even when I rented from an owner. There was trust there and I wasn't holding anyone's hand trying to reassure them that I was in fact who I said I was. I just assumed it would be as simple this go around, but I was proved wrong. Also, I'd like to point out that this renter was just the final straw NOT the only one to be "tiresome" as Lisa put it. Each of them wanted the name on my contract to check the Orange County website and each asked for full contact info. Also, none of them were comfortable with sending a check and were insistent on paypal. The combination of all of those things is what made me finally throw in the towel.


Liferbabe, I just ain't feeling the magic I do have enough self respect not to put myself through hoops to get so little back from it. Its nice that we tell potential renters to use caution, but at this level its overboard. Somehow I believe that this the motive though. If enough owners grow weary of the hoops like I did then it will definitely reduce the amount of renting that goes on and would satisfy those who are so vocal about their displeasure of owners renting their points.

bavaria, I'm familiar with your name too, and even though we haven't posted directly to one another before, I know for a fact that we have frequently been on the same threads. This also points out that although we don't know EVERYONE on a personal level, it wouldn't make sense for us to spoil our good name for $11 because usually people are at least familiar with the name when it is someone with a high post count. When I rented I had trust in my owner due to that very fact. She had a high post count and I was pretty certain that at $10 per point she sure wasn't going to shaft me.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Liferbabe, I just ain't feeling the magic I do have enough self respect not to put myself through hoops to get so little back from it. Its nice that we tell potential renters to use caution, but at this level its overboard. Somehow I believe that this the motive though. If enough owners grow weary of the hoops like I did then it will definitely reduce the amount of renting that goes on and would satisfy those who are so vocal about their displeasure of owners renting their points.

Exactly!! Notice many that are giving the advice do not rent points and never will.

 

[Muushka]

While I was visiting another DIS board about Bonnet Creek someone there PM'd me and offered to book us there if we wanted.

We were considering going there with family, so we started negotiations. He said he wanted PayPal payment. I wrote back and asked if it would be all right if I paid with a check. I went on to explain that we were both on the boards, and neither one of is would want to ruin our good names by cheating one another. He said that was fine with him.

I did not end up renting from him because our family wanted TN vacation, but I will do business with him because he was willing to trust me. Had he insisted on me paying him by PayPal, I would not have rented from him.

If it was a very last minute rental, with someone I did not know or if I was renting from someone I did not know, a personal check would be too iffy. But a reservation made in advance, when the renter has time to cancel the reservation, then I believe a personal check is appropriate.

Yeah, I am going to ruin my good name for $11 a point.

 

[LisaS]

OT but since you were somewhat discussing this issue...

How long does it take to appear on the Orange County register after purchasing a resale? Can one access the register on-line? We haven't closed yet on our contract and was wondering if I could check on the process this way.

Let me know if possible,
Suzanne

Your deed should appear on the OC website in a few days after you close. The deed is filed with the county after you close and at some point they scan it in and add your info to the database. So I could see it taking as long as a week after closing if they are really busy. Even though my resale contract went through the ROFR process a couple of weeks prior to closing, the ROFR document on the OC website was filed on the same day as the deed so it looks like all the paperwork is submitted to the county at the same time, at least it was in my case.

The entry point to the search page is here: http://www.occompt.com/disclaimer.html

 

[suzyqqq27]

Thanks for the link Lisa. I'm just so impatient.

Suzanne

 

[kimberh]

Exactly!! Notice many that are giving the advice do not rent points and never will.

Always!! The potential renter has no way of knowing who rents and who doesn't, so all advice is taken seriously. If I had not rented, I probably would not have become a DVC member. We never attended a sales presentation, I figured they were high pressured and the last thing I wanted on vacation, was high pressure. Anyway, it was a good decision for us to rent first.

 

[Sammie]

I would not do it, our names do not show up either. As Liferbabe said, they are getting a bargain, enough said.

I don't rent but I would never give information to anyone strickly to promote my self interest, and basically resent the implication that anyone would try to scare renters away by giving them information to that affect.

Just have your idenity stolen off the Internet and anytime anyone asks about transacting business with total strangers over the Net and you too will be giving advice to anyone to be careful. Been there done that and it was hell.

I figure if anyone rents that is their business and Disney. I can still have an opinion about it though. Kinda like the smoking threads. I don't smoke but I respect the right for others to do so.

 

[Caballero]

My son wants to stay at the Polynesian. Will rent to friends to pay for a few days at the Poly.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Do you think with the increase in 2008 lodging rates at all the WDW hotels, more and more people will want to rent a DVC reservation? That could be a nightmare.

 

[Muushka]

Do you think with the increase in 2008 lodging rates at all the WDW hotels, more and more people will want to rent a DVC reservation? That could be a nightmare.

Yes, I think that rentals will increase with the prices. Good luck to all who want to rent points and to those who want to rent their points out. It won't be pretty.

I think the process was nicer before all of this new found concern about being ripped off has been written. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[JimMIA]

I think the process was nicer before all of this new found concern about being ripped off has been written. Ignorance is bliss.

I'm sure you are right...and because of that I'm usually a pretty happy guy.

However, I think we need to keep enough perspective to remember that last year at least three people we know of got ripped off for about $4,000. (And I suspect there were at least two others, probably for >$1,000) One person was successful in getting their money back, but there was still a significant loss...and a much bigger loss to the credibility of the whole process.

Nobody likes to have their integrity questioned. I sure don't, and I don't blame folks who suffer that indignity for getting PO'd. But I think we have to realize that potential renters are NOT crazy for being cautions. People HAVE been scammed. That's not someone's overactive imagination.

We should also recognize that anything that makes the marketplace safer benefits everyone.

 

[salmoneous]

But I think we have to realize that potential renters are NOT crazy for being cautions.

I don't think anyone is saying the renters are crazy for being cautious. Or that they are unreasonable. Just that the owner who is casually renting might not want to jump through those hoops.

Story time: I was going to help a buddy coach a summer baseball league this year. Then I found out I needed to go down to the police station, get fingerprinted, go through a whole background check, get interviewed, etc. Is it unreasonable for them to ask all that of somebody who is going to coach kids? Maybe, maybe not. But whether it reasonable or not, I didn't feel like going through it. The whole thing was just supposed to be for fun and to help out some kids.

If someone wants to make money renting points, they should get registered as a square trade seller on ebay, but up a sophisticated add, and get $15-25/point for their trouble.

Most of the folks renting for $9-12 a point on the DIS aren't in it for the money. They've got extra points, they want to get a few bucks, and want to help out the DIS community. If it's easy and fun, they'll do it. But once they have to go through a bunch of hoops to prove to a stranger that they aren't a crook, it's no longer worth it.

If somebody wants to see all sorts of proof before sending a big check to a stranger, there are many options. There are plenty of people willing to go through all that. Just understand that if you are going to treat somebody like a business, they may want to get compensated like a business.

Personally, I've rented from people on the DIS, and from VRBO many times. If the person has an established presence, has a listed phone number and address, and seems reasonable in communication, that's enough for me. Maybe I'll get burned someday. But, so far, both the outcome and the renting experience has been a pleasure.

 

[sajetto]

salmoneous,

I 100% agree with you and you put it in words that I wouldn't have been able to. I'm not afraid to speak my mind so I will say that I believe the end result of these demands is that owners will start doing exactly what you mentioned, turning to EBAY.

I remember a poster here was practically burned at the stake in a very lengthy thread because she was booking Christmas week and then listing the reservation on ebay. She did this on a yearly basis to make a little income. Everyone HATED it. Now I think we'll being seeing more of it and why not? Heck if you have to go through flaming hoops on the R/T board to make $11, why not go over to ebay for half the hassle and double the money?

 

[Sammie]

Do you think with the increase in 2008 lodging rates at all the WDW hotels, more and more people will want to rent a DVC reservation? That could be a nightmare.

Definitely, and hopefully members will be able to get more for thier points than previously. I would think demand would support that.

As someone that had their idenity stolen from the Internet, I agree with Jim that anyone not being cautious is extremely naive.

As Jim pointed out we are all aware of 3 known cases of scamming and I am aware of more that did not involve anyone from the DIS.

So caution on the part of the member and renter is wise.

 

[Muushka]

I don't think anyone is saying the renters are crazy for being cautious. Or that they are unreasonable. Just that the owner who is casually renting might not want to jump through those hoops.

Story time: I was going to help a buddy coach a summer baseball league this year. Then I found out I needed to go down to the police station, get fingerprinted, go through a whole background check, get interviewed, etc. Is it unreasonable for them to ask all that of somebody who is going to coach kids? Maybe, maybe not. But whether it reasonable or not, I didn't feel like going through it. The whole thing was just supposed to be for fun and to help out some kids.

If someone wants to make money renting points, they should get registered as a square trade seller on ebay, but up a sophisticated add, and get $15-25/point for their trouble.

Most of the folks renting for $9-12 a point on the DIS aren't in it for the money. They've got extra points, they want to get a few bucks, and want to help out the DIS community. If it's easy and fun, they'll do it. But once they have to go through a bunch of hoops to prove to a stranger that they aren't a crook, it's no longer worth it.

If somebody wants to see all sorts of proof before sending a big check to a stranger, there are many options. There are plenty of people willing to go through all that. Just understand that if you are going to treat somebody like a business, they may want to get compensated like a business.

Personally, I've rented from people on the DIS, and from VRBO many times. If the person has an established presence, has a listed phone number and address, and seems reasonable in communication, that's enough for me. Maybe I'll get burned someday. But, so far, both the outcome and the renting experience has been a pleasure.

BINGO! Perfect answer. Could not have said it better myself.

 

[LIFERBABE]

To be fair, is anyone advising against caution? I dont think so. No one said anything about anyone being crazy for being cautious either. I think its been established that many of us use contracts, provide all contact info, DVC confirmation and are generally pretty easy going.

But who establishes the threshold between cautious and extreme. People speak of sending money blindly, but what of the member and how much damage could be done to the unit and being held responsible. Money is not the only thing that has value and the renter is not the only one at risk.

Some people just dont have the stomach to rent points and THAT'S OK! It is not for everyone. I'd just as soon you move on then imply me a thief. If you think I would remotely want to deal with someone like that, then I have a DVC on Castaway Cay I'd like to sell you. You can think it if you want, but once you come on the DIS questioning my integrity, Im done, game over.

Im not understanding how the marketplace is safer by requesting alot of information that is not helpful to the process. Safer for who? Definitely not the member who has pretty much coughed up a lung to rent points to someone who may or may not leave the place in shambles.

And I am truly sorry for those that had to go thru theft and have their hopes dashed. How anyone could do that to children I dont understand I'd sooner cancel my own reservations before I would cancel anyone else's unless they violated our agreement.

I am all for due diligence and caution, but I am not for dehumanizing this process and the one sidedness of it all.

If you think Im going to rip you off, then the feeling is mutual and we dont need to do business together, so please move on.......simple as that. My feelings will not be hurt 1 bit.

Salmoneus, Great Post and Extremely True