For anyone who has rented out their points: Would you do this?

[sajetto]

Thanks Liferbabe, that really makes me feel better

I seriously have to listen to you and Robin. I seem to have a mental block that won't allow me to ignore any post because I somehow perceive it as me being rude, but you're right since I don't know the person I shouldn't feel obligated so all I need to do is end it politely and move on. If I ever attempt to rent again I'm going to have to come back to either one of you and get a pep talk.

 

[LisaS]

It's interesting that you can no longer find your deed on the OC website. A common mistake people make is to put a comma in between the last name and the first name "doe, jane" rather than "doe jane", or they enter the word "deed" as the document type rather than just the letter "d". Also, if you are a co-buyer along with your husband, try looking for deed using his name and see if you can find it that way.

 

[sajetto]

Lisa,


I feel so dumb because that is EXACTLY why it wouldn't pull up. Now it is there. Thanks for posting this!

 

[Muushka]

I cannot believe how people can be so untrusting. Oy.
No, we don't need to rent our points that badly, do we?

On a somewhat related note, I found a website http://www.zabasearch.com/ that lists Kissimmee as another address (DVC)!

 

[LisaS]

Lisa,

I feel so dumb because that is EXACTLY why it wouldn't pull up. Now it is there. Thanks for posting this!

Putting in that comma is the more natural thing to do! I don't know why that website doesn't just filter it out if it finds one when it processes a request. I'm happy to hear that is what was going on!

 

[DisDaydreamer]

It's interesting that you can no longer find your deed on the OC website. A common mistake people make is to put a comma in between the last name and the first name "doe, jane" rather than "doe jane", or they enter the word "deed" as the document type rather than just the letter "d". Also, if you are a co-buyer along with your husband, try looking for deed using his name and see if you can find it that way.

Dear God woman... how do you know sooooo much. And I don't mean a bunch of trivial stuff, I mean everything.



Please don't ever ask me to sacrifice my son.

 

[lisaviolet]

Dear God woman... how do you know sooooo much. And I don't mean a bunch of trivial stuff, I mean everything.



Please don't ever ask me to sacrifice my son.

Unreal, eh? Not only that but it never comes off remotely patronizing. Now that's a real skill in these times. Knowing everything and coming off sweet and helpful.

Kudos to Lisa S....

Sajetto. A blessing in disguise though. A blessing in disguise.

 

[JimMIA]

For some reason my name was not showing up on the Orange County website records. A potential renter wanted to check it out, couldn't find it and then asked me to send a photocopy of my membership card with the numbers blacked out and a copy of my points allocation from the DVC website along with my upcoming trips.

Okay...I'll be the lone contrarian here.

It sounds to me like your renter is listening closely to all that good advice we give here on the DIS (check references, be sure the person is real, etc.), just like many of us urge them to do. They hit a snag, and they tried to find a reasonable way around the snag so they could feel comfortable. I respect that.

On the one hand, I don't see how the things they requested would really protect them much. Really, all it would prove is that you have an account with your name on it. I think they could have gotten that assurance from a confirmation copy, or even better, from a conference call to make the ressie...but, of course, they probably don't know that.

OTOH...I don't see how giving the information requested could possibly put you at any risk. They would have a copy of a card with no number, and a copy of a points activity report, presumably with the contract number blacked out. What can they do with that?

If you want to rent the points, I think this can be resolved. If you are no longer comfortable, don't do it.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Unreal, eh? Not only that but it never comes off remotely patronizing. Now that's a real skill in these times. Knowing everything and coming off sweet and helpful.

Kudos to Lisa S....

Sajetto. A blessing in disguise though. A blessing in disguise.

I agree with lisaviolet, a blessing in disguise. You were able to bless family with a trip and I tell you from my recent family reunion, you will instill and inspire with your wonderful gesture.

You know you are honest, and you dont have to jump thru hoops to prove it.

Someone on the Christmas Tree Thread used the terms Faith Trust and Pixie Dust

 

[sajetto]

Thanks Liferbabe. I just remember things being A LOT easier when I rented my points out last time. I even rented once and it really wasn't that big of a deal. I guess I had a lot of that Faith, Trust and Pixie Dust going on Naive maybe, but it worked for me.


Jim, thanks for your insight. I'm going with your last line though. I don't want to rent the points and I'm no longer comfortable. The whole thing sort of made me feel like the renter might be a bit untrustworthy and if not that, really high maintance. I didn't want to end up in a situation where I might possibly be changing the reservation 5 or 6 times to suit her preferences or end up losing points because of her suddenly backing out. I think Lisa is right. It truly is a blessing in disguise.

 

[JimMIA]

I don't want to rent the points and I'm no longer comfortable. The whole thing sort of made me feel like the renter might be a bit untrustworthy and if not that, really high maintance. I didn't want to end up in a situation where I might possibly be changing the reservation 5 or 6 times to suit her preferences or end up losing points because of her suddenly backing out. I think Lisa is right. It truly is a blessing in disguise.

"...I'm no longer comfortable." + not renting = good decision.

That's exactly why I don't rent. I'm really not worried about untrustworthy renters; I can protect myself against them. But the whole process is just more trouble than it's worth to me.

 

[sajetto]

Yes it was a good decision. Also, the potential renter made a good decision to go through CRO because she is now looking into moderates. She will get much more peace of mind that way and I will get peace of mind knowing that I don't have to go through the hassle of renting anymore. Best for everyone IMO.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Sajetto, you made a good decision. It sounds like both you and the renter would have been uncomfortable with the arrangement, and neither of you would have had a good experience because of it. I have never rented out points, and have no immediate intention of ever doing so, but I KNOW I would rather give them to people I know than deal with strangers.

 

[sajetto]

Diane you are so right and giving them to those you know is much more rewarding. My aunt and her kids are so excited and I am so glad it turned out this way. I feel like a million bucks, being able to give them a once in a lifetime stay. They have had it really rough this past year because one of the children was in the hospital over a month. Money is really tight because of it and I feel so good being able to give them something they wouldn't be able to experience otherwise.

BTW, this is OT, but you own at my two absolute favorite resorts.

 

[DisDaydreamer]

Sajetto... did you see this thread? Maybe your renter?

 

[sajetto]

Yes, I saw the thread. In this thread it was mentioned on the 2nd page.

 

[lisaviolet]

I agree with Jim in that the renter was only following suggestions from this board. Of course. Smart.

However, right or wrong I'm beginning to become impatient with the "absolutely prove it..100%" in that in this situation if the potential renter wants that listing and can't find the name on the records and Sajetto couldn't explain why or show why then I just think time to move on. Pointe finale. Ie. move on to a DVC member where you feel more secure or CRO. And Sajetto could have moved on, and not dealt with hearing the next step, as well at that point (as she did in a very lovely way).

It's the now send me your blanked out membership card that I'm talking about. It's getting tiresome to me. Yep. Tiresome. But I've just come out of some very interesting rental situations myself. Very interesting. And learned a lot.

I'm glad we've educated renters how not to get shafted. Absolutely. But I don't know. Too much info? I've seen you should be able to do this/that for me. It really is the $$$$ tradeoff at some point. As in nothing is totally secure at any moment of the transaction. And that is just the fact of the matter.

I'm not sure if I could be a renter. Maybe not the personality for it. And I think renters need to assess that in themselves. And not expect a 100% fullproof process. It doesn't exist. And it is not our job to magically change that. Harsh. I know.

All the best Sajetto. All the best....

 

[Muushka]

I have been a renter and I have been a rentee (in fact I just wrote a check for $899 to a nice lady from TUG.)

When I rented timeshares (4 times):

We figured out our dates
We told the renter what we wanted
We agreed on a price
They sent a contract
I signed it and sent it back with a check
They sent me the confirmation letter

When I rented out my points here on the DIS (3 times):

They told me what they wanted
We agreed on a price
I sent the contract
They sent the signed contract and check back to me
I sent them a confirmation letter

Easy. I trust them, they trust me.

Why is everything so complicated?

PS I use the past tense for me being the renter. No way I would go through this stuff to rent points!
Transfer to another member, yes. Rent to a non-member, no.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Lisa and Muushka, I completely agree!


I have worked with some great people and DVC is not the only rental based on trust. Vacation home rentals by owner carry the same risks.

A few people post with rental issues in all the years I have been on the DIS and now we are supposed to provide all this superflous info that does not amount to anything. If it was truly helpful, I would not hesitate to provide it. But I am not going to jump just for the sake of jumping because it gives the renter some sense of control. Who sells their soul for $11?

I rented to a lawyer and he complimented me on my contract!! We've been good friends ever since! 2 lawyers as a matter of fact, and neither required more than a contract and a confirmation.

Both parties should bear the risk just as much as the benefit. We can rent points we dont need and the renter gets a big discount and a wonderful place to stay. Can it all go south? Yes! That is the tradeoff.

$11 per point for a 2008 rental is not someone trying to get rich, plus Sajetto is not someone who purchased in at $50 a point, she just purchased a few years ago.

I understand doing due diligence, I have rented several Homes using just that. I built in as much protection as I could by payment and contact info and checked into a beautiful home for 5 nights (owner gave us 1 night free as no one was using it).

Dont mean to be harsh, but there are 2 sides to consider and no self respecting HONEST DVC member looking to rent points would go thru all that.

 

[lisaviolet]

Yes, I saw the thread. In this thread it was mentioned on the 2nd page.

Three thousand seven hundred and seventy five posts.!!!!! Holy crap! Please my head is hurting. Please tell me that the potential rental transaction was on another board and that the renters somehow didn't see your post count here. Must be open minded. Must be open minded. Lord make me open minded.

Let me post almost four thousand times on the DISboards and then shaft you! What are the odds on that? (In NBA terms.....about the same as Dirk Nowitzki being a repeat MVP I'd say).

Tiresome might have been too gentle of a word.