For $2 Billion Disney could have built 16 major attractions instead of fast pass+

For that kind of money, there are quite a few dud attractions which could have been replaced with great new E Tickets. Or $2 billion could have been a substantial down payment on a clone of DisneySea, the ultimate WDW fifth gate. Imagine what that would do for the resort, for decades to come.

We can speculate, but this whole discussion (better uses for the money) has been worked over ad nauseum in previous threads. Yes, new attractions would have done a far better job of redistributing the crowds and adding real capacity. But we already raked Disney over the coals for their poor prioritizing, so hopefully they got the message.
 
Not every dollar can or should be spent on rides.

Just like because someone wants meat, doesn't mean you should give them just meat every day for every meal.

Unfortunately, it seems that everyone ONLY wants rides.

"We built a new shop"
"Where's my new ride?"

"We built a new hotel"
"Where's my new ride?"

"We built a new ride"
"Meh, I wanted an e-ticket ride."

They built a new shop. To further line their pockets; how does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new hotel. Orlando has hotels coming out of its ears. How does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new ride. Is it a mediocre ride? How does that improve the guest experience?
 
They built a new shop. To further line their pockets; how does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new hotel. Orlando has hotels coming out of its ears. How does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new ride. Is it a mediocre ride? How does that improve the guest experience?

Guessing you mean the repeat guest experience for surely there is enough to do resort wide in a weeks time to keep even the most narcissistic among us happy…..
Its when you go to the world several times a year or every year or so that our insatiable quest for entertainment boggles my mind at the nit picking that goes on here….
Amazing how many folks say 35 years ago were just plain ole happy as clams to ride JUST Space mountain and have a hot dog with the kids for a day or two…
Simpler time I suppose.
 
They built a new shop. To further line their pockets; how does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new hotel. Orlando has hotels coming out of its ears. How does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new ride. Is it a mediocre ride? How does that improve the guest experience?

To paraphrase Tonka: "WELL Said Sir!. It's not everyone with the resort thing....more just the vocal few."

I like the resorts and the pools and the grounds and even (some of) the restaurants just as much as anyone else but I'm not going to try to kid anyone - I go for the parks and the entertainment experience (I hope) they provide.

Otherwise, there are tons of great resorts and pools and restaurants on pristine grounds around the world that I can go to.
 

They built a new shop. To further line their pockets; how does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new hotel. Orlando has hotels coming out of its ears. How does that improve the guest experience?

They built a new ride. Is it a mediocre ride? How does that improve the guest experience?

Their newest shop, Memento Mori, sure enhances MY experience. It also parts me with my money, but I wasn't complaining in October.

They seem to be building a lot of new DVC time-shares. If I could afford one it would definitely enhance my experience in staying closer to the MK at deluxe-level accommodations.

The newest ride being the Mine Train, personally I like it. It adds value in an area where there was nothing before and enhanced my experience too by giving me something new to enjoy.

Sure, anyone's mileage may vary on any of the above, but the thing about WDW is to have something for everyone, and all the additions add value for those who use them.
 
Amazing how many folks say 35 years ago were just plain ole happy as clams to ride JUST Space mountain and have a hot dog with the kids for a day or two…

As a kid I was happy with Disney even before they added Space Mountain to the MK. I couldn't wait to get out of my room at the Poly or Contemporary, onto the monorail and into the park.

Simpler times? I don't think that's what it is. I suppose some people just lose that perspective.
 
To paraphrase Tonka: "WELL Said Sir!. It's not everyone with the resort thing....more just the vocal few."

I like the resorts and the pools and the grounds and even (some of) the restaurants just as much as anyone else but I'm not going to try to kid anyone - I go for the parks and the entertainment experience (I hope) they provide.

Otherwise, there are tons of great resorts and pools and restaurants on pristine grounds around the world that I can go to.
Agreed.
I think its a combo of them both that makes WDW what it is…

There are some days where I don't go into the parks….but because I am spoiled and love the original hotels on the Lagoon and the WL..usually I go in and out throughout the day….but it is the whole package that creates the magic for me.
 
They built a new shop. To further line their pockets; how does that improve the guest experience?

- Some guests like to shop at WDW?

They built a new hotel. Orlando has hotels coming out of its ears. How does that improve the guest experience?

- Some guests enjoy staying onsite? Some guests even go out of their way to visit onsite hotels to experience the unique details and theming.

They built a new ride. Is it a mediocre ride? How does that improve the guest experience?

To better answer your questions I should probably replace "guest" with "Davey Jones II". Then it becomes "how does that improve Davey Jones II's experience"? It clearly doesn't.
 
As a kid I was happy with Disney even before they added Space Mountain to the MK. I couldn't wait to get out of my room at the Poly or Contemporary, onto the monorail and into the park.

Simpler times? I don't think that's what it is. I suppose some people just lose that perspective.
Agreed…never had the fortune to be at the Poly as a kid in the day (as a 21 year old in 79')…but surely I would have wanted to get on that monorail to the theme park asap to ride dumbo and the teacups….
Today…I like to relax and have my morning smoke and then tackle the parks…wonderful how the new magic bands let me do that…don't you agree?
 
Agreed…never had the fortune to be at the Poly as a kid in the day (as a 21 year old in 79')…but surely I would have wanted to get on that monorail to the theme park asap to ride dumbo and the teacups….
Today…I like to relax and have my morning smoke and then tackle the parks…wonderful how the new magic bands let me do that…don't you agree?

Could you not do that before magic bands were invented? Though neither DH nor I smoke, we were able to relax in the morning and tackle the parks later back in the KTTW card days too.
 
To better answer your questions I should probably replace "guest" with "Davey Jones II". Then it becomes "how does that improve Davey Jones II's experience"? It clearly doesn't.

Ha ha, funny. No, I'm pretty sure that all guests benefit from excellent new attractions. Shops? Most of 'em sell the same overpriced merch. Hotels? You sleep there, maybe you have a dip in the pool, then you head for the parks.
 
does anyone know if there is a listing of what attractions and restaurants have FP+ availability? I want to take a look since at this point in time I do not understand why a CS restaurant would be included. Isn't CS by definition supposed to be walk-up?
 
Could you not do that before magic bands were invented? Though neither DH nor I smoke, we were able to relax in the morning and tackle the parks later back in the KTTW card days too.
Yes I suppose ya could…

Guess it depends when during the year you went..

My last visit in early September the Fps were unnecessary….

Surely the parks are way more crowded then back in the day…

If I went during busy times the MBs/FPs from my point of view are a positive addition…

I was trying to be funny and was making a little joke for Lake Travis….
 
Yes I suppose ya could…

Guess it depends when during the year you went..

My last visit in early September the Fps were unnecessary….

Surely the parks are way more crowded then back in the day…

If I went during busy times the MBs/FPs from my point of view are a positive addition…

I was trying to be funny and was making a little joke for Lake Travis….


Ohhhhhhh...:thumbsup2
 
It's easy to forget Disney does not "do anything for the customer". Disney is a company, it is trying to maximize profit from customers.

Disney is not showing you the BEEF. They are taking it from you, and figuring out ways to get your money more efficiently.

I don't fault them for this. They have the dominant product that people want. They have enough rides that guests will pay to go. Now they need to focus on keeping their brand leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. Last thing they want to do is reduce their parks to a Six Flags or Universal type park. They lead by constantly reinventing. Not by adding more rides. Universal and Six Flags -- have to add rides. That is what their draw is. They are a rides park. If they didn't add rides they would die cuz that's all they are.

And, once again, you fail to see that while creating their "forward thinking, cost minimizing, revenue enhancing, technological marvel" (good description! :thumbsup2) they are at the same time adding rides, lands, and parks left and right.

They have such incredible cash flow that they can expand their two flagship parks with Carsland and the Enchanted Forest, rebuild an entire quarter of the AK, BUY Lucasfilm outright, buy Marvel out from under Universal, build an entirely new park over seas, revamp EuroD, pour $2B into their technological marvel, and STILL raise their dividend to investors by 30%. That is just plain amazing.

You have to look at the massive spend they're doing EVERYWHERE. Oh... but Universal added a new ride... ooooooo..... :)

Yeah, they're buying up the whole freakin' world, and making gobs of money all over the place.

Then, when it comes to going all out to maximize the potential of their parks...they cry poverty and impose arbitrary budget cuts.

Meanwhile, Universal IS going all out to maximize their parks. Why can't Disney, that mega-billion dollar media conglomerate, do the same?
 
Ha ha, funny. No, I'm pretty sure that all guests benefit from excellent new attractions. Shops? Most of 'em sell the same overpriced merch. Hotels? You sleep there, maybe you have a dip in the pool, then you head for the parks.

Actually WDW is much more then the park..........there is many things to do and see in the resorts.................golf,water parks, shopping, car racing, sports, fishing. boating, para sailing, horseback riding, pools parties, kids crafts, hiking,.......restaurants, show dinner shows, .....camping,......camp fire sing alongs, spas, etc.etc.etc...I believe you would be amazed how many people go to WDW and not the parks.

Now, if your only for the parks, Uni..........yes that's basically 2 small parks, amusement parks........6 flags!......that's what you get.

AKK


WDW is so much more
 
I'm in advertising, so I always look for the "root" or the reasoning behind things. That may have come out very egotistical, but I couldn't find a better way to word it (ironic, I know.) It wasn't meant in that way, though..

Anyway..

I was excited about the roll-out of FP+ and MagicBand when it first came out. One trip down, it served us well. Now, on our first trip, they didn't have their "tiers" and still had paper FP - making the experience SO much better. It was crazy how fast we got everything done. This year will be the real test, and I'll gladly report back if my opinion changes.

But here's the deal..

The marketplace is quickly shifting to digital - I see it with advertising, marketing and e-commerce. Go to your local Starbucks and you won't see anyone reach for their wallet, but rather, pay with their phone. Google and Apple and making HUGE pushed to digital wallets. Think of the MagicBand as your digital wallet.

With that mindset - let's look at what brands are doing using these digital wallets. Starbucks has a famous rewards program. The more you buy, the closer you get to the coveted free drink. Where else would you spend $30 for a $4 drink? Aside from rewards, brands are using your purchasing habits to better serve you. With the Walmart app, you could see past purchases - so can Walmart! Walmart is tracking your purchases - as are many other brands. So, rather than sending you copious amounts of coupons and throwing (you know what) at the wall and hoping for something to stick - they're sending you coupons for brands and products YOU purchase. You're getting coupons for Diet Coke because you've purchased it before - not for regular Pepsi, which you never drink.

It's all part of marketing research. THey track consumers' purchases, spending and buying habits. It's similar to the reward program at your local grocery store. You sign up and "spend $100 and get a free turkey for Thanksgiving.." Grocery stores then use that data to re-stock shelves, see what is selling and who is buying it.

So now, think of the FP+ as that free turkey (what? My MagicBand is a smartphone and the FP+ is a turkey? :confused3) Kind of.. Every brand needs an incentive to get consumers to use their "royalty" or "reward" program. In this case, Disney needs a reason for guests to stay on-site. The longer you're on-site, the more they can track your behavior. Hence - the 60-day FP+ window as opposed to one-day guests that have to secure FP+ the day-of or off-site that get only 30-days.

My family goes every year for Christmas. We'll be part of Disney's Q4 (or Q1 report?? I always forget their fiscal calendar..) I imagine a marketing team sitting around reporting to their superiors.

"well, people between the ages of 20-35 spend more time at Table Service restaurants and eating and drinking."

"X% of guests were repeat-riders of 7DMT" or "X% of adults 25-40 went on Tower of Terror"

and so on...

You won't see the $2Billion put to work right away. You may not even see it take effect for the next few years. But, in order for Disney to (1) Stay with the times and (2) remain competitive - it's necessary and mandatory that they digitize their platform. EVERYTHING is data driven now-a-days. You can't survive based on hypothesis and trial and error. By the time you implement something, there's already new findings.

So, in summation - FP+ wasn't bought for you - the MagicBands and MyMagic+ was. The FP+ is a perk (although many would argue it's not.) The MyMagic+ is the real foundation here. But, on a positive note for all you FP+ nay-sayers - because FP+ is just a "perk" they'll probably be more prone to change it and make it work for you. The key is to keep you happy, keep you coming back and keep collecting data.
 
Yeah, they're buying up the whole freakin' world, and making gobs of money all over the place.

Then, when it comes to going all out to maximize the potential of their parks...they cry poverty and impose arbitrary budget cuts.

Meanwhile, Universal IS going all out to maximize their parks. Why can't their primary competition, the mega-billion dollar media conglomerate, do the same?
Because they don't have 27,000 acres ...
 
...wonderful how the new magic bands let me do that…don't you agree?

I seem to recall that perhaps 3 were the most E-tickets you could get in a ticket book?

The more things change, the more they stay the same....... :)
 












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