Feeling frustrated with Disney--anyone?

I'm not asking for any special treatment. I'm actually doing the opposite and advocating for the elimination of special treatment for others. Get rid of the +10, everyone goes day by day for their ADRs just like they do with FP+. Everyone has an equal chance at scoring ADRs.
IMO, the +10 is a perk. I'd much rather only have to worry about one day to make special arrangements to try to get ADRs than have to do it every day. I get that you don't like it. But it doesn't favor those with longer stays and it doesn't favor those who pay more.

I'm curious, have you complained to Disney?
 
Disney wants you on property, they are going to do what they can to get you to stay in one of their resorts vs. off-site, that is just how it is.
Everyone has the chance to take advantage of these perks, everyone is free to choose to stay on-site to get them. You can claim it isn't fair, but the truth is it is fair, you choose to stay off-site you give up any chance of getting Disney Resorts guest exclusive perks.
 

Magical express? That's something that's factored in to the price that we pay for our resort stay. Not a perk (if we're going with a definition of 'perk' that means 'free').

It is a perk. Are you paying for it? Of course, just as you pay for EMH. Most of the perks we are offered in order to entice us to stay onsite has some sort of cost associated with them, we just do not see them. Those who do not use EMH or DME are still paying in one way or another.
 
It is a perk. Are you paying for it? Of course, just as you pay for EMH. Most of the perks we are offered in order to entice us to stay onsite has some sort of cost associated with them, we just do not see them. Those who do not use EMH or DME are still paying in one way or another.
Well, that's why I wrote in parenthesis "if we're using a definition of perk that means free". But yes, we agree that those are definitely benefits of staying onsite.
 
Well, that's why I wrote in parenthesis "if we're using a definition of perk that means free". But yes, we agree that those are definitely benefits of staying onsite.

For me DME is way more of a "perk" than many of the other incentives that Disney offers. I look at the cost of renting a car, and add in that I do not need to drive at all, and I am very happy.
 
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I agree that it's a lot of planning if you choose to plan it all out but when is/was a theme park vacation ever relaxing?? I've been going since before FP's were a thing. Actually before the internet was a thing. Back then your only planning choice was buying a book for advice. Still not relaxing. Hawaii is relaxing, my trip to Sonoma was relaxing, theme parks are fun with maybe some relaxing moments by the pool.




I would encourage you to keep trying. We didn't decide on our upcoming October trip until after the dining window had opened. The places we wanted to eat were either unavailable or inconvenient times. We went ahead and booked and then commenced a summer of booking and canceling as the touring plans robo search found better times or what we wanted. Yes, we missed a few alerts but we got BOG on two different days. Each time we got a better day or time we immediately cancelled the extra so a=someone else could snag it. We know have dinner at BOG on our MK day. We quit looking several weeks ago with our trip still 8 weeks away because we had what we wanted. We are a party of 5 also.

As far as FP+, I was disappointed on our day when I was up at 6 and there were no FOP and I had to take times that I wasn't thrilled with for several others. Then last Saturday, I was doing another check and it popped up available. I had to cancel our Rivers of light FP but I got FOP. That made me revisit all the rest and I was able to change every single one to the times I had originally wanted so keep checking. I'm still checking a couple of times a day hoping for an earlier FOP.

Heck, I'm finally going to be at WDW during Food and Wine so I'll be happy no matter. People on this board are generally so obsessed with getting every experience exactly when they want it that they are set up for frustration.

A Disney theme park vacation was a relaxing vacation from the planning perspective because it didn't require much planning 15 or so years ago compared to visiting Yellowstone, France, NYC, San Francisco, Portugal, etc. And when you arrived at WDW there was a time you dropped your bags at your resort and off you went to enjoy all that Disney had available. Now you have to have everything booked in advance, the monorail so conveniently connected to your resort may not be running for most of the day -- and when it is it's packed to the gills, has no or very little AC and is shabby. Then you arrive at parks which have had much of the charm stripped out or left to decline and spend your day shoulder to shoulder, or ankle to stroller or ECV attempting to make your way around.

I'll put in the time to plan and research a trip to Germany or Hawaii. Those are genuinely vast destinations with worthwhile reasons to research and plan even return visits. WDW visits were the vacation designed to be a one stop shop of convenient fun with very little effort. Remove that and you've removed my incentive to put up with the pricing and the nonsense.
 
I think many people DO know the details of their trip 180 days out. They know where they're staying, what time they're arriving, and where they'd like to eat.

Shouldn't people who plan more benefit? The number of days is arbitrary. No matter how many days out, someone is going to be upset because they called two minutes late and didn't get any of their restaurants.

Maybe Disney does this already, but they should limit how many restaurants you can reserve in a day, and what times you can reserve. So you can reserve one restaurant (anywhere in the World) between 6a-10a, one between 11a-2p, and one between 5p-9p. You can also make a cancellation policy... 24 hours, 72 hours, or a week from the reservation, you're "locked in". If you cancel anytime after that, you lose your deposit.

The problem with that is the more restrictive it gets, the more unhappy guests you're going to have. To use the current moment as an example - with Hurricane Irma lurking in the Atlantic, many people will likely be changing plans a day or two in advance as short-range weather forecasts become available. A one-week hour rule means that if you see massive rain forecast for the day after tomorrow, you can't swap your AK plans for Epcot or Studios where all the top attractions are indoors without incurring the penalty. And if you're going to get hit with the penalty either way, there's little incentive to cancel and free up that reservation for someone else.

Likewise with the two bookings in one meal period - the tighter that is enforced, the more guests with legitimate plans have to jump through hoops to make the plans they want. Plus there is always the work-around of setting up a second (third, fourth) Disney account to book multiple meals within one time period. I hated when we had to do that on days when we were splitting up. If I want to book princesses for my daughters and I and a resort breakfast for my husband and son, or if my husband and I want a date night while my teens take their little sister to dinner, I shouldn't need to juggle multiple accounts and multiple payment methods to reserve the ADRs.

Shortening the booking window would be a painless way to make the planning easier. I'm booking ADRs right now without knowing exact travel dates or where we're staying - that'll be settled when the winter discounts come out, probably near the end of this month. A 90 day window would take all that uncertainty out of the mix. A 30 or 45 day window, aligned with the payoff date on packages, would get rid of all the "maybe" bookings that people reserve and then cancel for financial reasons. But Disney maintains the 180 window for their own reasons. If the consequences of the policy are interfering with a good guest experience, they should reevaluate the policy, not implement ever more guest-unfriendly "fixes" to keep it in place.

What are the restaurants that you love that you can also make same day ADRs?

The vast majority of non-character resort restaurants can be booked same day, as can most of the World Showcase restaurants. I've personally booked Kona, Yak & Yeti, Beaches & Cream, and several Epcot restaurants same-day from the MDE app. But booking is an essential step - it isn't unusual for a restaurant to be turning away walk-ups but open to almost immediate ADRs on MDE.

Do a quick search on the Disney site right now - I'm seeing everything from 50s Prime Time to Akershus and even Chef Mickey and Le Cellier available for tonight, using a 6pm search time/party of 2. Similar availability for 4ppl. Only Be Our Guest, CRT, Teppan Edo, and Ohana appear to be booked solid. The rest of the "unavailable" list is special dining events, chef's tastings, and Disney Springs restaurants that only release a portion of their capacity into the Disney system. And we're at the tail end of a holiday weekend - a nice time to travel if you're looking to minimize vacation days - in the middle of free dining season.
 
I do think it would cut down on the above scenario - people booking multiple ADRs at 180, so they can keep plans flexible to try to match FP+ reservations made later. Why not open them both at the same time?

Because then you'd have to choose which one you really want more, ADRs or rides. If you go for the pre-opening BOG, you're going to miss out on FoP FPs or vice versa. Two different windows is actually better, from a planning perspective, than trying to do it all simultaneously. Those windows don't need to be separated by 120+ days, but making them both 60 days (for example) would make the planning harder, not easier.
 
For me DME is way more of a "perk" than many of the other incentives that Disney offers. I look at the cost of renting a car, and add in that I do not need to drive at all, and I am very happy.

Its funny how everyone views these things differently, right? I prefer the Swolphin as a property, and it not having DME means nothing to me, because I won't use it anyway. Once was quite enough. The rooms are (typically) cheaper at the Swolphin and I know that's because WDW includes the price of MDE and parking into its room rates. I don't use those perks, and at the Swolphin, I don't have to pay for them, which is nice. I also get the resort fee waived due to status, but if those are things you're going to use, they should definitely be factored into your "value" equation when deciding where to stay. If you're using them, it makes WDW properties much more attractive. And a much nicer, cheaper off property choice may look even less exciting when you consider you might have to pay $25 to pay to park there and then either pay to Uber or park at the parks as well. Disney math can be complicated!
 
Its funny how everyone views these things differently, right? I prefer the Swolphin as a property, and it not having DME means nothing to me, because I won't use it anyway. Once was quite enough. The rooms are (typically) cheaper at the Swolphin and I know that's because WDW includes the price of MDE and parking into its room rates. I don't use those perks, and at the Swolphin, I don't have to pay for them, which is nice. I also get the resort fee waived due to status, but if those are things you're going to use, they should definitely be factored into your "value" equation when deciding where to stay. If you're using them, it makes WDW properties much more attractive. And a much nicer, cheaper off property choice may look even less exciting when you consider you might have to pay $25 to pay to park there and then either pay to Uber or park at the parks as well. Disney math can be complicated!

I agree. I'm not a huge DME fan but it is technically a perk that many people enjoy. There are many, many perks of staying onsite. I actually consider the +10 ADR rule to be one of the smaller perks available. I just find it hysterical why there is so much push back on removing it when so many are simultaneously saying that MANY restaurants have same day ADR availability. That's definitely a head scratcher.
 
I agree. I'm not a huge DME fan but it is technically a perk that many people enjoy. There are many, many perks of staying onsite. I actually consider the +10 ADR rule to be one of the smaller perks available. I just find it hysterical why there is so much push back on removing it when so many are simultaneously saying that MANY restaurants have same day ADR availability. That's definitely a head scratcher.

My main pushback on removing the +10 is the inconvenience of having to log on every morning to make ADRs, or at least on several mornings 180 in advance of the days when you're trying for in-demand reservations. With +10, I only had to be up and on the computer at 6am (an inconvenient time for most, I think) one day; without it, probably I'd have had to do it three times.
 
My main pushback on removing the +10 is the inconvenience of having to log on every morning to make ADRs, or at least on several mornings 180 in advance of the days when you're trying for in-demand reservations. With +10, I only had to be up and on the computer at 6am (an inconvenient time for most, I think) one day; without it, probably I'd have had to do it three times.

So you don't book FP+ at the 60 day mark then because it's inconvenient?
 
So you don't book FP+ at the 60 day mark then because it's inconvenient?

Of course I do. But just as with ADRs, it is one day of inconvenience for on-site guests, not one morning for each day of your vacation. So for any given trip, that's two mildly annoying 6am "appointments" to make reservations. Doing away with the +10 would turn that into 10 or more mornings of logging in to book things for a weeklong trip.
 
Of course I do. But just as with ADRs, it is one day of inconvenience for on-site guests, not one morning for each day of your vacation. So for any given trip, that's two mildly annoying 6am "appointments" to make reservations. Doing away with the +10 would turn that into 10 or more mornings of logging in to book things for a weeklong trip.

And that is why some folks are getting screwed on FOP FP+, because of that +10 rule.
 
And that is why some folks are getting screwed on FOP FP+, because of that +10 rule.

I know. I may well be one of them, since our next trip is only 5 days. But if there was no +10, it would simply shift who is getting screwed on the high-demand FP, from those who have shorter trips to those who can't be online every morning when the system opens to make their reservations. No matter how it is done, someone wins and someone loses when the supply is so much smaller than the demand.
 
Its funny how everyone views these things differently, right? I prefer the Swolphin as a property, and it not having DME means nothing to me, because I won't use it anyway. Once was quite enough. The rooms are (typically) cheaper at the Swolphin and I know that's because WDW includes the price of MDE and parking into its room rates. I don't use those perks, and at the Swolphin, I don't have to pay for them, which is nice. I also get the resort fee waived due to status, but if those are things you're going to use, they should definitely be factored into your "value" equation when deciding where to stay. If you're using them, it makes WDW properties much more attractive. And a much nicer, cheaper off property choice may look even less exciting when you consider you might have to pay $25 to pay to park there and then either pay to Uber or park at the parks as well. Disney math can be complicated!

I think that there is so much to consider when you choose where to stay, if a dining plan works for your family, etc. WE all know our family, how we vacation, what our goals are, how and where we like to eat, and what we all consider to be a value. There is no one size fits all in regards to "perks" and benefits for onsite vs offsite, so yes, Disney math is very complicated. LOL! I think this is part of the fun for me, but for others it can be a nightmare.
 
Speaking as one of those people that don't plan anything, we go, we enjoy, we relax and take it easy. We eat at a TS just about every day with no advance ADRs. Normally at some point during the day, my son and I will look at each and say where do you want to eat and when. We will narrow down either a time frame or a park or a resort. Then we will go on MDE and find something, we have always been able to find something the day of. We don't worry about doing the "must dos" and have found many great places to eat this way. If we book FPs in advance it's not normally any further out than a week, more often than not the night before or the day of while on the way to the park. We tend to play bus roulette, we get to the bus stop and hop on the first bus to come as long as it isn't for a park we did the day before. While on the bus, I'll hop on MDE and find what's available and look at wait times. Park hoppers (in our case APs) are your friend. Then we just sort of go with the flow. Keep in mind we go at least once a year, used to be once every two years but in the last 3 years, once a year for my son, twice a year for me, so if we don't ride/see/do something we know it will still be there. The fact is, it's impossible to do and see everything there in one trip so don't stress it. As far as Pandora goes, as another poster mentioned rope drop is your friend. The best part about WDW is just enjoying the place, you will be with good friends at a nice resort, take the time to stop and smell the roses and have a drink, relax.

This is great advise! I usually plan our ADRs, but have often filled in with "impossible to get" once we arrived. I think next trip I will try you approach. It makes perfect sense to me! Thanks for sharing!
 
Disney wants you on property, they are going to do what they can to get you to stay in one of their resorts vs. off-site, that is just how it is.
Everyone has the chance to take advantage of these perks, everyone is free to choose to stay on-site to get them. You can claim it isn't fair, but the truth is it is fair, you choose to stay off-site you give up any chance of getting Disney Resorts guest exclusive perks.

My understanding is one of the reasons they did away with the FP paper kiosks was because people said it was "unfair" that guests who got there earlier got all the passes. Some who always did rope drop found the new (current) system unfair. There will always be a group of people who see things as not being fair. It all comes down to choices we make. Every persons desires and agendas cannot be met. I think Disney does a pretty great job trying to accommodate the majority. Personally, I preferred the more spontaneous paper FP system, but I still go to Disney at least once a year and have a great time. It's not worth ruining your enjoyment. Follow Elsa's advice and just let it go! pixiedust:
 

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