Feds may relax airport security rule- PIT is first

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Feds may relax airport security rule
Monday, April 19, 2004 Posted: 3:22 PM EDT (1922 GMT)


PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Pittsburgh International could become the nation's first major airport to get the OK to abandon the post-September 11 rule that says only ticketed passengers are allowed past security checkpoints.

Federal security officials are considering allowing people once more to say their hellos and goodbyes to friends and loved ones at the gate.

Airport officials and western Pennsylvania's congressional delegation have pushed for two years for the change for reasons of money and passenger convenience.

What happens here could become a model for other airports.

"This is new, this is exciting, because we're basically rewriting the security directives in order to allow nonticketed passengers to go through security," said JoAnn Jenny, spokeswoman for the Allegheny County Airport Authority, which runs the airport.

Pittsburgh is a strong candidate for the experiment for two reasons: It has a centralized security checkpoint in one terminal. And it has a full-scale shopping mall that has suffered a drop-off in business because it is reachable only by ticketed passengers.

If the change is approved, people without tickets will have to go through security just like passengers. They will be checked with metal detectors and may have to empty their pockets and handbags and take off their shoes.

Plan could take effect by summer
"I think you'd find most Americans would agree and go along with this idea," said Brian Muth of Reynoldsville.

Muth and his wife are hosting an exchange student from Ecuador, Lorena Lopez. On Tuesday, Sharon Muth bid a tearful farewell, on this side of security, to the girl's parents after they paid a short visit.

And Muth cried again when she thought of bringing Lorena back to the airport in June, knowing the teen might be alone when she boards her flight home.

"Lorena's just become part of our family," she said, dabbing tears with a tissue.

Officials with the federal Transportation Security Administration met recently with Pittsburgh officials and expect to review a rough draft of the plan later this spring. It could take effect by summer if approved by the Homeland Security Department, Jenny said.

Certain issues still need to be worked out, such as how to prevent the people without tickets from holding up passengers during peak travel times.

"There's a customer service benefit to be had here, but at the end of the day, the security of the flying public at the Pittsburgh airport is going to come before anything else," said Ann Davis, TSA's Northeast regional spokeswoman. "And I think passengers appreciate that."

In the security crackdown in the weeks after September 11, the Federal Aviation Administration said the nation's airports may no longer allow people without tickets past security checkpoints. It was among several security measures, some of which have since been relaxed, such as a ban on curbside pickups and the parking of cars close to terminals.

Exceptions to rule
In certain hardship cases -- say, if an airline passenger is disabled, cannot speak English or is a child -- a friend or family member can get a pass to go through security and accompany the traveler.

At the Pittsburgh airport, for example, Lorena Lopez accompanied her parents Tuesday because they do not speak English. And Jackie Crusan was allowed to go through security with her friend, Devin Seeger, because he broke both his legs while performing in a dirt bike show in Pennsylvania.

And in January, the TSA started allowing military families to accompany soldiers to airline gates.

But everybody else still says their goodbyes on this side of the security apparatus, which experts say discourages some people from traveling and keeps well-wishers from spending more money in the nation's airports.

One industry expert said the Pittsburgh plan makes sense because airports need all the revenue they can find.

If the airport can make more money from merchant leases and parking fees, it can cut the rates airlines are charged to use the terminal, said Stephen Van Beek of the Airport Councils International-North America, a trade group.

That revenue is especially important in Pittsburgh, where US Airways, which controls about 80 percent of the gates, has been threatening to leave because of higher-than-average gate fees.

The Pittsburgh airport has a genuine shopping mall, Airmall, inside the main terminal, with 100 stores and restaurants -- not just concession stands and souvenir shops, but brand-name establishments with the kind of prices found at an ordinary shopping center.

Mark Knight, regional manager for Airmall operator BAA USA Inc., said business is down about 12 percent in the past year. He said nearly half of that that is due to the security rule, while the rest is attributable to a drop in passengers caused by US Airways, which is cutting flights because of the gate fees.

"In this economy that other 4 or 5 percent could mean the difference between success and failure" for an Airmall business, Knight said.
 
NO!

Think about it. This will dramatically increase the number of people trying to get thru security resulting in longer lines. Plan on an extra half an hour while the family with 10 kids goes thur security to see grandma off! I think I will email the TSA now on this idea.

As for Ms. Muth.... she needs to learn to go to the counter and ASK for a pass. If you are greeting a minor they will let you go down to the gate NOW!

Plus, I really don't miss having to knock down family members so I can get off the plane. (Has it never occured to anyone that blocking the door so that they can watch for their loved one only delays the process since we cannot get off the plane!)
 
I have mixed feelings about this. I spent many Sundays taking the family out to PIT for lunch and a walk around the airport.

I think PIT is unique with its mall in the middle of the airside terminal. There are a number of great shops suffering because of the lack of customers. Since US is cutting back flights it is even harder on them.

Security hasn't been long except for those busy travel days and then I think that is when TSA announces that you can't go to the airside terminal without a ticket. I sort of miss not being met at the gate but I agree it is much nicer without the crowds.

Guess we will have to see what happens.
 
I agree with CarolA 100%. At times you can barely find a seat to sit in while waiting to leave for your flight.(at the gate) I think people either didn't fly or forgot how it was before only ticketed passengers were allowed to go to the gate. I remember seeing 15 to 20 people at the gate to see grandma off or grandma arriving. This will make flying even less appealing.
 

This is a bad idea. The lines leaving MCO are terrible already. Can you imagine the lines if every Tom, Dick, and Harry wanted to go thru security there? This will bring back the long delays at the airport, both coming and going. I am also going to write my Congressman and the TSA to oppose this.
 
My remarks pertain to PIT. I think it would be decided on a case by case basis. PIT really needs help because US is threatening to leave because of the high gate costs. That would cost PIT taxpayers more money.

People may figure it isn't worth going through security to see someone off. Maybe they will have a line just for those wanting to go to the gate without tickets. That way it wouldn't hold up the line for everyone else.

I think we have to wait and see what they come up with.
 
Well I don't see how letting people thru the gates at Pit will cause USAir to stay. And if they leave I think the mall is doomed.

However, if Pitt gets it all the other airport vendors around the country are going to want the SAME thing. All of them have complained about a decrease in volume since this change.

People figured it was worth going thru the security before to see their family/friends off. I can't imagine they have changed their minds. I mean haven't you had to run over them outside of the security gate lately. They are standing there quizzing me "what flight are you on"?
 
If the airport can make more money from merchant leases and parking fees, it can cut the rates airlines are charged to use the terminal, said Stephen Van Beek of the Airport Councils International-North America, a trade group.

I know from having lived there for many years how hard the city has tried to keep US at the airport. It was US that wanted the new airport not the city and county.

They could try it on a trial basis and see what happens.

Yes I don't enjoy running the crowd when you leave the plane.

Another airport that would be nice if they did this is Dallas. Several times I have been taken to the airport with associates and we can't sit down and have a meal together because we are flying out of different terminals or I a waiting for an associate to come in and I have picked up my luggage so I don't have access to the food, etc.
 
Originally posted by CarolA
NO!

Think about it. This will dramatically increase the number of people trying to get thru security resulting in longer lines. Plan on an extra half an hour while the family with 10 kids goes thur security to see grandma off! I think I will email the TSA now on this idea.

I humbly disagree with this statement. First off, let me say that I am not a business traveler, and as a leisure traveler I probably don't fly as often as many of you. But the one thought that crossed my mind after reading the above statement was "What's WRONG with the family of 10 going through security to see grandma off?" I remember many a trip to PIT airport as a child to see my mother & various members off on a trip. What a thrill to watch that huge jet carry off a loved one to some far away place (even Cleveland seemed a far off land in the eyes of a 5 year old!) As far as causing delays, well I just don't see it affecting the business travelers as many of these flights occur at times when you would rarely see a huge throng of vacation travelers in the airport. And for all of us leisure travelers..well, my humble opinion is this......I for one wouldn't mind scheduling "extra" time into my itinerary to clear security if it meant anywhere near as much as it meant to me as a child to be at that gate to see a loved one off or upon their return. Hasn't 9-11 taught us anything about what should be dear in our lives? I got on a plane to Orlando with my family 12 days after the terrorist attacks.....that day affected me deeply; however, I would not allow my children to see that when challenged & attacked, we should cower in fear. I will never complain about long security lines....and if Little Susie or Johnnie wanting to see Mom, Dad, or Grandma off add a few minutes to my wait time.....well, that's fine by me.

I say allow allow non-ticketed persons through security. If saying "excuse me" while you try to navigate through a group of family members awaiting the arrival of a loved one or searching for a seat amidst family members saying goodbye is the worse thing that happens to you at the airport.....well, then I would consider myself lucky & call it a good day.....just MHO. :D
 
I fly out of PIT often and the only time I've seen long lines at security is early in the morning (business people). They could restrict the hours to the middle of the day and possibly weekends.

The airmall has suffered, it's usually pretty empty. Not only from non-passengers not be allowed through but also the decrease in the number of USAir flights.

Another option I heard they were considering was a setup similiar to Orlando, where security is at the entrance of each concourse rather than 1 central location in the ticketing/baggage claim building. Currently in Orlando, the airport shops & restaurants are outside of security.
 
AAARRRRRGH!!! Americans and their "convenience/comfort" issues taking precedence over security and common sense! My BIL is an attendant for United, normally flies BOS-LAX or BOS-SFO. He SHOULD have been on one of those planes on 9/11; only a comedy of errors and inconvenience kept him from getting his bids in on time fot that month. He was SO annoyed- thought he had a really lousy schedule for 9/01...until the 11th. I'll never forget the horror of seeing the Twin Towers burning and frantically trying to get hold of my sister, knowing that that United flight was one of BIL's regulars. We, as Americans, talk so loudly about security, how we are going to be so secure and safe...until inconveniencs rears its ugly head. What we are already doing at the airports isn't enough...look at the guy who boarded an airplane with bombs in his shoes, or the guy who got on with knives and hid them around the plane. How can allowing SO MANY MORE people through the checkpoints improve security? And starting in PA, no less, the home state of the head of the Office of HOmeland Security? What a joke this country is becoming (I know, here come the flames!). We crab about gas prices and clean air, but drive HUGE SUV's and trucks with lousy fuel economy, and let congress pass bills to reclassify these vehicles so they don't have to meet emissions standards. We bow our heads in memory of the victims of Sept. 11th, in sadness but vowing "never again", go to WAR to uphold the "never again" part, but when convenienc and $$$ are questions, all our resolve goes out the window. Already, curb-side check-in is back. We have the super-de-dooper scanners at the airports, but they are so overwhelmed with travellers' luggage (and understaffed) that anyone could sneak a bag with a plastic bomb into the pile and nobody would notice. People whine so loudly about having to be at the airport one and a half hours before flight time. And now we want to increase the number of folks going thru the security checkpoints? You can bet there won't be any extra $$$ available for the extra security people who should be assigned. Line length will increase, security will become overburdened, and more issues will slide, resulting in relaxed security. Just take a look at those planes hitting buildings, think of all the victims and their families, and pray that it doesn't happen again.

(Well, that's quite a rant for 7 a.m., huh? I guess you can tell I feel pretty strongly about this...but I also feel like we "dodged a bomb", to paraphrase!)
 
leebee, I am fully aware of 9/11 but do you really think the security measures in place now would prevent another tragedy? I don't and I know there are many others that feel that way.
 
I think that dramatically increasing the volume thru Secuirty will cause the TSA to get lax just to avoid the backups that will occur and then we are back to where we are before.

Sorry, it is not a huge inconvience for you to wait outside the security gate for your family member. If you really want to do this plan on a THREE hour arrival in advance at the airport and expect a LOT more rude and impatient people then you already see. (and trust me the traveling public is NOT patient! LOL!)

Security is much more strict now then they were pre 9/11. While I don't feel dramatically safer I do belive that is true and it does increase your safety somewhat.
 
My comments were made with the assumptions that the TSA & airport officials had considered these changes without compromising security measures. Of course I feel that any changes which would severely decrease security should be tabled! From the responses on this thread though, security didn't seem to be as much of a concern as "convenience". I personally don't see how allowing "non-ticketed" persons (who have cleared security) at the gate compromises the safety of those departing flights.......especially seeing that the terrorists were all ticketed passengers.
 
I've never flown through Pittsburgh, but has the state considered eliminating or reducing sales tax in those airside shops? I fly a lot overseas, and duty-free always does a booming business with passengers. It seems to me that it would be a better solution to try first, rather than opening the gate areas to non-passengers.
 
NotUrsula, I have never seen that proposal in PIT. The problem at PIT is USAirways is cutting back so many flights that the airport isn't as busy as it used to be.

I can remember fighting to get to the gate areas and now you can just stroll down the hallways.

Good idea and worth a try.
 
We have the same problem at STL thanks AA's eliminating over 200 flights a day last Nov.; ghost town. Lambert has closed an entire 18-gate concourse, and the others are looking very roomy these days. I guess the saving grace is that we don't have a shopping mall, though the shoeshine guys did give up and close their stands.
 


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