Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[WillAustin]

Maybe to you there is enough credability but not enough to be a proove on "why did they put time frame on FP or why it is the way it is". It is just an opinion based on something someone maybe said once in a kitchen with a glass in his hand when he was off duty.

But your opinion is just that as well. I hope you realize that.

 

[mattsdragon]

Not sure if everyone else has heard, but on March 7, 2012, there will be a change in the FP program. FP's will no longer be allowed after the time on the printed window.

This change will affect all people.

There will be a "next generation", or "Wpass" (the W stands for Walt). This pass will enable people to disregard any new or percieved policy, but only if you can prove you do at least 2, but no more than 3 of the following:

use refillable mugs from 2004
allow your children to run amuck while wearing heelys
move people's towels off their saved chairs at the water parks
park at DTD in order to avoid parking fees
allow teen-aged children to use strollers
stay at a Deluxe resort and look down your nose at value resort guests
take your children to the bathroom while waiting in ride queues
use counter service tables without buying anything at the eatery

The following violations will still automatically make you end up part of it's a small world:

pool hopping
parking at a monrail resort and going to MK
buying one of those antenna balls
stopping in the middle of main street during RD to consult your park map
asking "where is the bus to Disney World"

That is all


This thread needs an enema

 

[Sammie]

Good grief, I truly do not understand something in this thread. Do the people that have them used past the actual window want verification of some sort that it was OK to do this. Who Cares,

Whether you did or didn't does not matter. Disney always has some idea what they expect out of a program, and they are willing to allow some variance in that even to the point of instructing CMs how to react if someone varies.

They also have the right at any time to say its time to change it. Does not make anyone right or wrong, it's just the way they do business.

This so reminds me of the huge debate using child's dining credits to feed an adult. I told everyone for months that Disney cared. And everyone went Oh yea well if they do why don't they stop it. They did care and they did stop it. They are just slow to make these changes.

So even if Disney is now changing the way Fastpass is used, it does not mean anyone was right or wrong, it means there is reason they want it to work a certain way.

 

[KellyNY]

In that case..what about the "magic" for us that followed the rules and used the FP as intended? If it's an "internal rule" then it's not a fair one for everyone that uses the system. Shame on Disney for allowing it to continue as long as it did.

Agree but they have a lot of rules like that that when not abused do create extra magic and you never know when you will "qualify" for it.

 

[shelby101301]

I wonder if they will start to lose money on the park hopper option now. If you have to stick around to use your FP, then hopping to another park is out. I could see after awhile people saying , ok, no more $45 pp to park hop.

Just wondering is all.

I know we are going to have to miss these popular rides now. We leave the parks at 1 because of naps. We'd often use those FP at night. Now, we'll just have to miss until the kids are older.

Speaking of which....wonder how it will affect baby switching?

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Good grief, I truly do not understand something in this thread. Do the people that have them used past the actual window want verification of some sort that it was OK to do this. Who Cares,

No, we know that we were only doing what we were allowed to do.

I think that some people to offense to the fact that we were disappointed that this was going away as it provided for very efficient park touring. It has then degraded into some sort of weird morality debate as to show that we were a bunch on inconsiderate oafs who were ruining the vacations of thousands while scamming the system. Or have I misinterpreted?

 

[WillAustin]

No, we know that we were only doing what we were allowed to do.

I think that some people to offense to the fact that we were disappointed that this was going away as it provided for very efficient park touring. It has then degraded into some sort of weird morality debate as to show that we were a bunch on inconsiderate oafs who were ruining the vacations of thousands while scamming the system. Or have I misinterpreted?

That's how some made it sound.

 

[Sammie]

No, we know that we were only doing what we were allowed to do.

I think that some people to offense to the fact that we were disappointed that this was going away as it provided for very efficient park touring. It has then degraded into some sort of weird morality debate as to show that we were a bunch on inconsiderate oafs who were ruining the vacations of thousands while scamming the system. Or have I misinterpreted?

They were not wrong, but they could be somewhat responsible for the upcoming change. Usually it is a couple of reasons why a change to an ongoing program would happen. Usually guest complaints and revenue.

The Internet has changed everything though. There was a time an inner Disney guideline such as the one directing the CM as to how to handle someone arriving late with their FP, would have never been shared with the public.

The Internet at times ruins many a good thing, kinda like telling the world your favorite fishing place. Before long there will be no fish there.

 

[KellyNY]

I wonder if they will start to lose money on the park hopper option now. If you have to stick around to use your FP, then hopping to another park is out. I could see after awhile people saying , ok, no more $45 pp to park hop.

Just wondering is all.

I know we are going to have to miss these popular rides now. We leave the parks at 1 because of naps. We'd often use those FP at night. Now, we'll just have to miss until the kids are older.

Speaking of which....wonder how it will affect baby switching?

Not really connected to hoppers. To use late FP after a break, you had to return to the same park.

 

[scion5220]

I wonder if they will start to lose money on the park hopper option now. If you have to stick around to use your FP, then hopping to another park is out. I could see after awhile people saying , ok, no more $45 pp to park hop.

Just wondering is all.

I know we are going to have to miss these popular rides now. We leave the parks at 1 because of naps. We'd often use those FP at night. Now, we'll just have to miss until the kids are older.

Speaking of which....wonder how it will affect baby switching?

Is your family unable to use the standby line?

 

[phillyteamhater]

I haven't been to WDW in a long time, but last time I was there I used FP in the time with no problems, had no ADRs(and never will) and was with 7 people total(2 kids) over July 4th, but we never took breaks. This was before TSM, Soarin, Mission Space and EE, we saw all we wanted in 1 day without having to rush all that much. I know things have changed a lot since then but here's my opinion on the whole late FP use.

I was not planning on using my FPs late for my honeymoon trip in June unless I got held up in a stand by line, show or park traffic that forced me to arrive say 20 mins late. It was more of a backup plan to know FPs could be used late. We have no kids, no ADRs and plan on touring commando style starting at RD, getting FP immediately for headliner and riding non FP rides to wait for window while getting second FP before we ride our FP ride, we only really plan on riding each ride once, unless we see a short wait later on for something we really liked,I don't see us having any issues for arriving on time.

Basically from reading this thread all the intentional late FP users want to have their cake and eat it too, meaning want to keep using their FPs late, keep all their ADRs, keep taking breaks, and avoid long SB lines. They don't want to change their touring style and ok it might lessen some of your magic but some of us are just glad we can even go to WDW once every 5-10 yrs, and even get FPs for some attractions as I have read they run out for some very early. You will need to make adjustments and who knows what kind of plan Disney has in store for their new system of lessening wait time.

As far as the zero sum theory while mathematically it works, some guests will benefit earlier but the rule abiding FP users will wait longer later as well as SB guests, so it's not zero sum for all guests experiences.

Just my 2 cents, bash or critique if you wish.

 

[scion5220]

I haven't been to WDW in a long time, but last time I was there I used FP in the time with no problems, had no ADRs(and never will) and was with 7 people total(2 kids) over July 4th, but we never took breaks. This was before TSM, Soarin, Mission Space and EE, we saw all we wanted in 1 day without having to rush all that much. I know things have changed a lot since then but here's my opinion on the whole late FP use.

I was not planning on using my FPs late for my honeymoon trip in June unless I got held up in a stand by line, show or park traffic that forced me to arrive say 20 mins late. It was more of a backup plan to know FPs could be used late. We have no kids, no ADRs and plan on touring commando style starting at RD, getting FP immediately for headliner and riding non FP rides to wait for window while getting second FP before we ride our FP ride, we only really plan on riding each ride once, unless we see a short wait later on for something we really liked,I don't see us having any issues for arriving on time.

Basically from reading this thread all the intentional late FP users want to have their cake and eat it too, meaning want to keep using their FPs late, keep all their ADRs, keep taking breaks, and avoid long SB lines. They don't want to change their touring style and ok it might lessen some of your magic but some of us are just glad we can even go to WDW once every 5-10 yrs, and even get FPs for some attractions as I have read they run out for some very early. You will need to make adjustments and who knows what kind of plan Disney has in store for their new system of lessening wait time.

As far as the zero sum theory while mathematically it works, some guests will benefit earlier but the rule abiding FP users will wait longer later as well as SB guests, so it's not zero sum for all guests experiences.

Just my 2 cents, bash or critique if you wish.

 

[KellyNY]

I haven't been to WDW in a long time, but last time I was there I used FP in the time with no problems, had no ADRs(and never will) and was with 7 people total(2 kids) over July 4th, but we never took breaks. This was before TSM, Soarin, Mission Space and EE, we saw all we wanted in 1 day without having to rush all that much. I know things have changed a lot since then but here's my opinion on the whole late FP use.

I was not planning on using my FPs late for my honeymoon trip in June unless I got held up in a stand by line, show or park traffic that forced me to arrive say 20 mins late. It was more of a backup plan to know FPs could be used late. We have no kids, no ADRs and plan on touring commando style starting at RD, getting FP immediately for headliner and riding non FP rides to wait for window while getting second FP before we ride our FP ride, we only really plan on riding each ride once, unless we see a short wait later on for something we really liked,I don't see us having any issues for arriving on time.

Basically from reading this thread all the intentional late FP users want to have their cake and eat it too, meaning want to keep using their FPs late, keep all their ADRs, keep taking breaks, and avoid long SB lines. They don't want to change their touring style and ok it might lessen some of your magic but some of us are just glad we can even go to WDW once every 5-10 yrs, and even get FPs for some attractions as I have read they run out for some very early. You will need to make adjustments and who knows what kind of plan Disney has in store for their new system of lessening wait time.

As far as the zero sum theory while mathematically it works, some guests will benefit earlier but the rule abiding FP users will wait longer later as well as SB guests, so it's not zero sum for all guests experiences.

Just my 2 cents, bash or critique if you wish.

Very well said!

 

[carrie6466]

YES! That is the true question that should be presented here!!

What kind of horse is it?

Can we all beat it at the same time, or will we be issued reservations for a specific time?

What happens if I can't beat the horse at my appointed time? Can I come back later and do it?

No, we know that we were only doing what we were allowed to do.

I think that some people to offense to the fact that we were disappointed that this was going away as it provided for very efficient park touring. It has then degraded into some sort of weird morality debate as to show that we were a bunch on inconsiderate oafs who were ruining the vacations of thousands while scamming the system. Or have I misinterpreted?

I think you've pretty much summed this thread up adequately for the newcomers

 

[brerrabbit]

They were not wrong, but they could be somewhat responsible for the upcoming change. Usually it is a couple of reasons why a change to an ongoing program would happen. Usually guest complaints and revenue.

The Internet has changed everything though. There was a time an inner Disney guideline such as the one directing the CM as to how to handle someone arriving late with their FP, would have never been shared with the public.

The Internet at times ruins many a good thing, kinda like telling the world your favorite fishing place. Before long there will be no fish there.

Ah but this is where you have much to learn grasshopper. I fish, and I post on message boards about it and when asked where I catch fish direct them to places far away from my fishin holes. Internet message boards are the breeding ground for counter intelligence activities, hence the reason I believe very little I read on them.

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

I haven't been to WDW in a long time, but last time I was there I used FP in the time with no problems, had no ADRs(and never will) and was with 7 people total(2 kids) over July 4th, but we never took breaks. This was before TSM, Soarin, Mission Space and EE, we saw all we wanted in 1 day without having to rush all that much. I know things have changed a lot since then but here's my opinion on the whole late FP use.

I was not planning on using my FPs late for my honeymoon trip in June unless I got held up in a stand by line, show or park traffic that forced me to arrive say 20 mins late. It was more of a backup plan to know FPs could be used late. We have no kids, no ADRs and plan on touring commando style starting at RD, getting FP immediately for headliner and riding non FP rides to wait for window while getting second FP before we ride our FP ride, we only really plan on riding each ride once, unless we see a short wait later on for something we really liked,I don't see us having any issues for arriving on time.

Basically from reading this thread all the intentional late FP users want to have their cake and eat it too, meaning want to keep using their FPs late, keep all their ADRs, keep taking breaks, and avoid long SB lines. They don't want to change their touring style and ok it might lessen some of your magic but some of us are just glad we can even go to WDW once every 5-10 yrs, and even get FPs for some attractions as I have read they run out for some very early. You will need to make adjustments and who knows what kind of plan Disney has in store for their new system of lessening wait time.

As far as the zero sum theory while mathematically it works, some guests will benefit earlier but the rule abiding FP users will wait longer later as well as SB guests, so it's not zero sum for all guests experiences.

Just my 2 cents, bash or critique if you wish.

No bashing or critiquing....except to say, Oh girl, how can you go on a Disneymoon without at least ONE romantic dinner ADR?!!

 

[nytimez]

No, we know that we were only doing what we were allowed to do.

I think that some people to offense to the fact that we were disappointed that this was going away as it provided for very efficient park touring. It has then degraded into some sort of weird morality debate as to show that we were a bunch on inconsiderate oafs who were ruining the vacations of thousands while scamming the system. Or have I misinterpreted?

I'll take that as a motion to form the "Vacation-Ruining Inconsiderate Oaf Club."

May I join?

And I'll second that motion.

 

[phillyteamhater]

No bashing or critiquing....except to say, Oh girl, how can you go on a Disneymoon without at least ONE romantic dinner ADR?!!

Just not us or our style, we are very laid back and don't like fancy or romantic dinners. We would much rather be on a ride or at a show than at some overpriced dinner. We have never been on a romantic dinner ever. We are very "redneck" and would rather be at sporting event, an amusement/theme park ,fishing/camping or at a country concert, than a candlelit table with $20 or more meals. I'm not a girly girl and could really care less about those things, we are having a football themed wedding and we are putting on jerseys as soon as we get to the hall. This honeymoon really is more of a vacation than a typical romantic honeymoon for the 2 of us and my future DH first time to WDW. I just don't like the whole ADR in itself, I would not want to know when to plan my meal 6 months in advance to know whether or not I am going to be hungry at noon on wed in the hot orlando summer and then be forced to eat a large sit down meal, even if I had FD. Much rather eat at whatever CS is nearby for the trip when we are hungry even if its burgers, chicken fingers, etc as we eat healthy so all that "fast food" type stuff is a treat to us for a week. Thanks for the suggestion though. We are a very odd, but perfectly matched couple.

 

[snoopy352]

I have "only" read the first 54 pages but am here now in WDW and I have spoken to four CMs and all four of them are dreading the new rule and three of them have said that they think it's a big mistake. (One even said she thought it wouldn't last long.) I will add that two of the CMs brought it up as they were loading rides (test track and i can't remember the other one). So some unsolicited griping and sarcasm from otherwise amiable CMs.

 

[nytimez]

I have "only" read the first 54 pages

Slacker!