Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[doconeill]

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/policy


1pol·i·cy

noun, often attributive \ˈpä-lə-sē\
plural pol·i·cies


Definition of POLICY

1
a : prudence or wisdom in the management of affairs
b : management or procedure based primarily on material interest

2
a : a definite course or method of action selected from among alternatives and in light of given conditions to guide and determine present and future decisions
b : a high-level overall plan embracing the general goals and acceptable procedures especially of a governmental body

The published document seems to meet the definition...

 

[KellyNY]

(sorry, we need to get back to movie quotes..._

"Magic always comes with a price..."

We pay now.

 

[WillAustin]

It will be interesting to see what tune those sing who think it's an unfair playing field now, when they are locked out of a future system by design.

I'm anticipating a lot of complaints.

 

[vacationclub]

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/policy


1pol·i·cy

noun, often attributive \ˈpä-lə-sē\
plural pol·i·cies


Definition of POLICY

1
a : prudence or wisdom in the management of affairs
b : management or procedure based primarily on material interest

2
a : a definite course or method of action selected from among alternatives and in light of given conditions to guide and determine present and future decisions
b : a high-level overall plan embracing the general goals and acceptable procedures especially of a governmental body

The published document seems to meet the definition...

It was only a matter of time before Merriams dictionary was referenced. The dictionary meaning is not really of any relevance to the conversion. The question isn't what does that word mean, the question is what was Disney's published and official policy. That question seems to be easily answered by looking at A: their web site B: the posted signs at each ride and C: the ticket itself,

 

[doconeill]

It was only a matter of time before Merriams dictionary was referenced. The dictionary meaning is not really of any relevance to the conversion. The question isn't what does that word mean, the question is what was Disney's published and official policy. That question seems to be easily answered by looking at A: their web site B: the posted signs at each ride and C: the ticket itself,

But it was argued that the document was not a policy, which, by definition, it is. It doesn't matter whether it was publicly known or not.

On the contrary, it could be argued that what is publicly displayed is not actually policy. Call it "rules" instead.

So we can keep arguing semantics, but it's a wasted argument. Those who want the "policy" to be that late FP is bad and has always been against policy will see it that way, and those who think that what Disney does internally is policy will always see it that way.

 

[BNM]

I'm anticipating a lot of complaints.

Yup. This issue ( the evolution of fastpass) is one of many that has caused me to put off a wdw trip indefinitely. Others are that I want to see fantasyland complete, and want my kids to be a bit older, and that there are too many other expenses right now for us.

Does anyone know what precedent there is for changes like this? For example, how did they roll out the original fastpass? Was it kept under wraps until the day it was unveiled? Did they NOT have fastpass one day, and then the next day there it was? Or did they gradually phase it in? I don't remember.

 

[KellyNY]

But it was argued that the document was not a policy, which, by definition, it is. It doesn't matter whether it was publicly known or not.

On the contrary, it could be argued that what is publicly displayed is not actually policy. Call it "rules" instead.

So we can keep arguing semantics, but it's a wasted argument. Those who want the "policy" to be that late FP is bad and has always been against policy will see it that way, and those who think that what Disney does internally is policy will always see it that way.

There are 2 policies here. FP print out shows how CM suppose to handle different situations and it has nothing to do with FP Official Policy, the one for visitor use, the one Ofiicially printed on FP, their site, clock, planning DVD, Disney movie about parks played at every room...

 

[Reddog1134]

Going by strict definitions, I think the "rule" would be:

"Return during the time printed on the FP".


But the "policy" would be:

"Allow late returning guests to enter the FP line".


"Policies" are more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

 

[vacationclub]

But it was argued that the document was not a policy, which, by definition, it is. It doesn't matter whether it was publicly known or not.

It matters if you are the public. That's the whole discussion here, not what the insiders secrets were....

On the contrary, it could be argued that what is publicly displayed is not actually policy. Call it "rules" instead.

Huh? Now you're obsessed with semantics. Rules, policy, whatever....Disney says to Guests through ALL public communications what it's rules, policies (and any other word you can come up with) are.

As far as anyone who didn't
A- know about the secret, or
B- accidentally discover the secret, or
C- test the waters then discover the secret....
then those ARE the policies. Only those who fall into A, B or C would consider something else to be policy.

So we can keep arguing semantics, but it's a wasted argument. Those who want the "policy" to be that late FP is bad and has always been against policy will see it that way, and those who think that what Disney does internally is policy will always see it that way.

Those are two different arguments and not related. I can argue which one is policy and not take an opinion on which I like better. Honestly, anyone who knows it exists.....and now LOTS of people know it exist who didn't now before.....would most likely approve of it, and perhaps even try to use it in their favor. That doesn't change the premise that it's not an official policy to begin with. Those two statements are mutually exclusive.

 

[WillAustin]

There are 2 policies here. FP print out shows how CM suppose to handle different situations and it has nothing to do with FP Official Policy, the one for visitor use, the one Ofiicially printed on FP, their site, clock, planning DVD, Disney movie about parks played at every room...

The reality is that it was allowed, period.

 

[KellyNY]

The reality is that it was allowed, period.

True but it does not make it Official FP Rule or Policy.

 

[vacationclub]

The reality is that it was allowed, period.

Yep, it was, allowed. Now it's not. Still no change in policy, just in enforcement of the policy. (or rule, or law, or decree, or any other term people can come up with to describe the same thing.)

 

[Reddog1134]

Yep, it was, allowed. Now it's not. Still no change in policy, just in enforcement of the policy. (or rule, or law, or decree, or any other term people can come up with to describe the same thing.)

Actually, I think that's a perfect example of a change in policy.

 

[KellyNY]

Actually, I think that's a perfect example of a change in policy.

Internal Policy, yes, FP Policy, no.

 

[Reddog1134]

Internal Policy, yes, FP Policy, no.

It's the same thing. It's an internal policy concerning Fastpass.

 

[vacationclub]

Actually, I think that's a perfect example of a change in policy.

Only a change in un-official, insider, behind the scenes, super-extra-secret decoder ring policy.

The official published policy that Disney delivers to all of the public through all channels, and that most of the public is exclusively aware of, has not changed. And many people, especially those who don't read a certain internet web board thread....will never know there was anything different to begin with.

It's pointless to continue to discuss the meaning of the word policy. This was an un-official strategy that was employed in the enforcement of fast pass, and they have decided to eliminate it.

If cops (or judges) in your town allow you to drive up to 49 in a 40MPH zone, then decide they will only allow you to push the limit to 45...did the speed limit change? Was a new law passed? Nope, they just decided to enforce it more strictly..........just........like...........Disney.

 

[vacationclub]

It's the same thing. It's an internal policy concerning Fastpass.

It's not the same thing. Internal policy only applies to those....internally.

People on this board aren't internal....they're external. They're guests going on rides. They are the public. And, for them, there was a public, published policy. It has not changed.

 

[KellyNY]

It's the same thing. It's an internal policy concerning Fastpass.

Concerning FPs does not mean FP Policy.

 

[Reddog1134]

Concerning FPs does not mean FP Policy.

That makes no sense.

I realize I'm arguing semantics here but you can't have 2 policies that contradict each other. You can have a policy to circumvent a rule which I think is what we are discussing here.

The rule would be "to return during the printed time". That hasn't changed. The policy is "to allow late guests to enter the line". That policy changes on March 7th.

 

[doconeill]

Concerning FPs does not mean FP Policy.

....I'm speechless...