Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[magicbob]

Really? Search official Disney site, tell me what you find there. I think you have a strange understanding of what is official and what is inner rule on how to handle crowds.

As Doconeill illustrated a few posts back, it is you who has a strange understanding of what the term "official policy" means. You maintain that it is only official policy if it is printed on the FP or on WDW website. That makes absolutely NO sense. There are thousands of official policies that are not publicised in such a manner. Just because it is not printed where you think it should be, does not make it any less of an official policy.

 

[doconeill]

http://www.epcyclopedia.com/2012/01/25/epcot-seas-pavilion-to-add-fastpass/

Ah...well, if we want an example of speculation, there you go. But it isn't there yet.

Can't think of why they really need to add it there though. It's been pretty much a walk-on since shortly after they re-introduced the ride part. Unless there has been a super-secret new attraction being built in there...

 

[magicbob]

you know mr. magicbob...you really are going to great lengths to ferret out everone's approval for your loophole abuse.

I kid, I kid!

Greater lengths than I have in any debate on these boards because, as someone who is very much a "rule follower," the accusations that I have been "abusing" the system really struck a raw nerve with me, especially when they are based on people's misperceptions of what is allowed and what is breaking the rules. Some seem to think that, because they CHOOSE not to do something that is perfectly acceptable under Disney's policies (just because THEY perceive it to be wrong), that they are better people.

 

[KellyNY]

Correcting myself - they did add Fastpass for the Mickey and Princess meet and greets last year. But by the same token they've greatly reduced use at the Indy Stunt Show and VOTLM to almost nothing, eliminated it at LMA 5 years ago (even though they still advertise it on the web site), and removed it from PhilharMagic.



Honestly, no more speculation than you have that they are doing it because something was wrong.

I think we're done here.

You mean "making it fair" does not mean "it is not fair" right now?

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Exact policy and procedure does not need to be published publicly. I'm pretty sure there is a policy against tackling Goofy on Main St., but that's not published anywhere either.

If you ARE going to publish something, it cannot be less restrictive than what actual policies are. It can be MORE restrictive, and that can be done for a variety of reasons.

This what is "officially" posted on the WDW site.

Wouldn't it be great if you could cut your wait time for some of your favorite attractions? Now you can!

Our complimentary Disney's FASTPASS Service saves your place in line for an attraction while you enjoy the rest of the theme park.

To Use Disney's FASTPASS Service:

Look for the "Disney's FASTPASS® Distribution" sign near the entrance of an attraction.
Check the "Return Time" displayed on the sign.
The sign will indicate the time you would return to enjoy the attraction using a FASTPASS ticket.
For attractions, the return time is a one-hour window (e.g., 1:10 p.m. to 2:10 p.m.), so you don't have to be there exactly at a given time. For shows, your return time will be for a specific performance.
If the return time is one that works for you, just insert your admission ticket into the Disney's FASTPASS Service machine. (You may use your Walt Disney World Resort admission ticket, readmission ticket, Disney Resort Hotel keycard or Annual Passport.)
A FASTPASS ticket will emerge with your return time printed on it. Now you're free to go and enjoy the rest of the theme park!
Go back to the FASTPASS ticketholder entrance when your return time rolls around, show your ticket to the Cast Member and enjoy the attraction with a minimal wait.


Please keep in mind:

FASTPASS tickets are only valid on the day of issue.
Everyone in your party using the FASTPASS ticketholder entrance must have a FASTPASS ticket.
There's a limit to the number of FASTPASS tickets you may have at one time. On your ticket will be printed the time at which you can get your next one. Disney's FASTPASS Service machines won't issue another ticket until the time stated on your current one.

This seems like common sense.... You use the ticket within the time stated.

I found nothing "official" saying you can use the FP past the time stated on the ticket. The late use seems to be by "word of mouth" only. It may be an "internal memo" to CM's to let people in late if they complain, etc.

Now I have the Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, song in my head.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I'm pretty sure there is a policy against tackling Goofy on Main St., but that's not published anywhere either.

Florida Statutes Title XLVI Chapter 784.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ml&StatuteYear=2011&Title=->2011->Chapter 784

 

[doconeill]

You mean "making it fair" does not mean "it is not fair" right now?

Never actually said that. I said it does not state that there is anything wrong now that Disney is trying to correct. But I've also stated that the new system, if treated the same, could exacerbate any issues, especially if they had to treat two different groups differently. That certainly wouldn't be fair.

This what is "officially" posted on the WDW site.



This seems like common sense.... You use the ticket within the time stated.

I found nothing "official" saying you can use the FP past the time stated on the ticket. The late use seems to be by "word of mouth" only. It may be an "internal memo" to CM's to let people in late if they complain, etc.

Now I have the Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, song in my head.

Go back and see the internal memo posted on page 9. Not word of mouth.

 

[KellyNY]

As Doconeill illustrated a few posts back, it is you who has a strange understanding of what the term "official policy" means. You maintain that it is only official policy if it is printed on the FP or on WDW website. That makes absolutely NO sense. There are thousands of official policies that are not publicised in such a manner. Just because it is not printed where you think it should be, does not make it any less of an official policy.

Sure, what printed officially is nothing, we go by inner info, spoken word and everything else. Wonder why do we even have laws, why do we even have writting, stupid us, feel sorry for the trees. We all should go by something someone ever said, ever heard, ever got away with and absolutely never by what is officially in printing available for us.

 

[doconeill]

Florida Statutes Title XLVI Chapter 784.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ml&StatuteYear=2011&Title=->2011->Chapter 784

Oh sure, you want to make a felony out of it...

OK, replace "tackling" with "tickling"

 

[magicbob]

I found nothing "official" saying you can use the FP past the time stated on the ticket.

Just because you didn't find it on WDW website doesn't mean that it was not Disney's official policy. Some of you are so caught up in the notion that, "because I don't see it printed here or there, it is not so."

Let me try another analogy (a Disney one this time). The published check-in time at WDW resorts is 3pm. Guess what? It is Disney's policy to allow you to check-in before then. They may or may not have your room ready, but you an check-in. Also, they often DO have rooms ready, even early in the morning. Oh the humanity! I have taken advantage of a loophole, showing up early and getting a room early when all the MORAL people "followed the rules" and waited until 3 pm to check in. Clearly, I have aggregiously wronged all of those guests who check-in at the time printed on their reservation.

 

[magicbob]

Sure, what printed officially is nothing, we go by inner info, spoken word and everything else. Wonder why do we even have laws, why do we even have writting, stupid us, feel sorry for the trees. We all should go by something someone ever said, ever heard, ever got away with and absolutely never by what is officially in printing available for us.

Just because Disney did not send you an engraved invitation informing you of this policy does not mean that following the policy is akin to tossing out laws altogether. I may have been guilty of a little hyperbole in this debate, but WOW. Just.... WOW!

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Just because you didn't find it on WDW website doesn't mean that it was not Disney's official policy. Some of you are so caught up in the notion that, "because I don't see it printed here or there, it is not so."

Let me try another analogy (a Disney one this time). The published check-in time at WDW resorts is 3pm. Guess what? It is Disney's policy to allow you to check-in before then. They may or may not have your room ready, but you an check-in. Also, they often DO have rooms ready, even early in the morning. Oh the humanity! I have taken advantage of a loophole, showing up early and getting a room early when all the MORAL people "followed the rules" and waited until 3 pm to check in. Clearly, I have aggregiously wronged all of those guests who check-in at the time printed on their reservation.

wait....

I can use my FP early too???

 

[magicbob]

wait....

I can use my FP early too???

Now you're just being silly.

Seriously, though... you could try. But since it is Disney's policy to not accept FP early, you would be turned away and told to wait until your window opens. In fact, that might be the very best example of the difference between what is policy and what isn't. Disney DOES enforce no early use because that is their policy. They ALLOW "late" use because THAT is their policy.

 

[doconeill]

I don't think an analogy using Disney's check-in times is good...Disney even advertising a check-in time is foolish since rooms are often not even ready by then...it would be more like having a Fastpass for 4pm, but they wouldn't let you in at all because the line was too long and tell you to check back later...

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Never actually said that. I said it does not state that there is anything wrong now that Disney is trying to correct. But I've also stated that the new system, if treated the same, could exacerbate any issues, especially if they had to treat two different groups differently. That certainly wouldn't be fair.



Go back and see the internal memo posted on page 9. Not word of mouth.

Could not find the official internal memo you mentioned. I have read the new "rumored memo" allowing 15 mins. passed the time, but I'm not talking about that one.

I will be at WDW in May and hopefully the new (old?) system will work for the majority. There will always be unhappy people ...even at WDW. Can't please everyone!

 

[magicbob]

I don't think an analogy using Disney's check-in times is good...Disney even advertising a check-in time is foolish since rooms are often not even ready by then...it would be more like having a Fastpass for 4pm, but they wouldn't let you in at all because the line was too long and tell you to check back later...

My point was that the "FP police" would likely also view checking in early at the resort as being an example of breaking the rules since the reservation paperwork said to check-in at 3pm and I checked in early while they "followed the rules" and waited.

 

[doconeill]

Could not find the official internal memo you mentioned. I have read the new "rumored memo" allowing 15 mins. passed the time, but I'm not talking about that one.

I will be at WDW in May and hopefully the new (old?) system will work for the majority. There will always be unhappy people ...even at WDW. Can't please everyone!

Oops, wrong post I was thinking of...it was on page 3.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Now you're just being silly.

Seriously, though... you could try. But since it is Disney's policy to not accept FP early, you would be turned away and told to wait until your window opens. In fact, that might be the very best example of the difference between what is policy and what isn't. Disney DOES enforce no early use because that is their policy. They ALLOW "late" use because THAT is their policy.

yes I know it's their policy to accept late FPs. In fact I used them late frequently.

I was just claiming that this policy was an in the know kind of thing, and not obvious to the average park go-er. And therefore, if the average park go-er (or someone who champions them) cried "foul!" I could understand where they were coming from.

But honestly....who cares?

I mean really, who cares? You KNOW you were in the right so if someone has a beef just dismiss it! that's what I do. or used to anyway, on all my pre-3/7/12 trips.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Oops, wrong post I was thinking of...it was on page 3.

Thanks..just read it. One thing stood out to me

"A Guest missed the return time window" That makes sense if you missed it due to unforeseen circumstances..like a meal took longer than expected. Mostly from what I've read are people intentionally using the pass when ever they felt like it.

 

[doconeill]

Thanks..just read it. One thing stood out to me

"A Guest missed the return time window" That makes sense if you missed it due to unforeseen circumstances..like a meal took longer than expected. Mostly from what I've read are people intentionally using the pass when ever they felt like it.

There has already been significant discussion as to whether "missed" could or could not include intentionally using them late ("intentionally missing" is still missing in my mind), but more to the point it did not specify any sort of exceptions, conditions, or anything of the sort. Whereas other cases were spelled out.

Now the internal CM memo sent out to all CMs does specify potential exceptions - but how that actually plays out remains to be seen.