Fall/Winter AP rate news!

Disney could also skew the allocation of AP rooms toward the resorts without many AP reservations. They could also skew the allocation toward the room category without many AP reservations. Don't offer the AP discounts for the standard WL and AKL rooms. Since that's what many people book those guests will have to upgrade. Disney could then add AP rates to those rooms a week or two later. Particularly if they decide not to let guests downgrade without charging a change fee or forfeit their deposit. Sounds like a way to lock guests without giving us anything.

I don't think I'd be interested in playing this game with Disney. Too many good deals on offsite resorts with Priceline. Too many opportunities for discounts on the Swan/Dolphin.
 
I'm not having any luck even getting to the specials from the passholder site...."error has occurred...please try later or something to that effect. Any ideas.

Thanks for the info Lollipop Mom. :sunny:
 
PNO4TE said:
When I book reservations at two different resorts now I have to pay two different deposits. Are we talking something else here?

No, that's what I meant. If you book a split stay (2 resorts) you have to put down a deposit for each resort. That would mean 2 non refundable deposits if you booked this deal.
 
I think the OP mentioned somewhere that they weren't exactly out yet, just in the process but will be soon. There is a 3 letter code listed below there. Anyone try calling CRO telling them the code and seeing what happens???
 

I'm looking for a check-in on October 7th (112 days!)! Can't book online!

The website says "for check-ins starting on the 8th." That is less than 120 days away - the 1st date is around the 13th, if my math is right.

I would book this. Oh well, guess I will have to wait for AP rates the old fashioned way.
 
OK, here are the answers I have so far....

-cancellation policy:
I've been over this with 4 different people now and just now finally got someone in the sales department to actually walk through a booking with me and see what the discrepency is. When you get to the point of a booking where you actually enter the credit card you see the following at the top of the screen:

Please apply a deposit in the amount listed below to confirm this reservation. In order to receive a full refund of the deposit, notification of cancellation must be received at least 45 days prior to the arrival date.

HOWEVER...at the very bottom of the screen you must accept the terms and conditions. If you click on terms and conditions, in bold print at the top of the pop up window it says

A credit card deposit must be received at time of booking or the reservation will be automatically cancelled. Your deposit not refundable.

the official answer from sales (who had not even heard of this till I pointed it out on both the TA site and the passholder site) is that they are 99% certain it is NONREFUNDABLE but will double check since their own site says 45 days at the top of a page and nonrefundable in a pop up window (which could be a HUGE nightmare for them given that not everyone will click the link to get the pop up). Guest services says nonrefundable...definitely nonrefundable.


-split stays:
just as always they are considered 2 separate and independent reservations so they would both require a deposit and would both would be nonrefundable.

-what rates are the matching:
sales says they will double check and get back to me on Monday but they are saying the same as guest services....public codes and AP codes only. Not PINs, not group rates, not AAA rates. They will get back to me with a 100% definite answer.

-using AAA:
as always codes are not combinable so you would have to either book with AAA or book the passholder best rate program. Sales is "guessing" that they will still have regular passholder rates as we know them but that with this offer they would expect that if they are released for call ins that they will be "drastically limited" because if they determine availability for a discount, they have to first discount everyone in the best rate program first. They did say that they suspect that if the best rate program has nonrefundable first night's deposit that there is a good chance that this will be the case for all AP rates in the future.

So....that's what I know so far and I don't expect to hear more untill next week. So far, I've checked every single date available for a moderate and deluxe room and none have actually had a discount, all the rates showing up are rack. My assumption is that this is sort of like insurance on getting an AP rate. Probably a good thing if you are already a passholder and know you want XYZ resort for ABC dates and want that discount or no discount but for people who are just looking for the best deal (and really, who isn't?!?!?) then this is a gamble. Time will tell if it's a gamble that favors the house (Disney) or the player! ;)

I'll post details as I learn of them!
 
I've been watching this thread with great interest as our arrival date is October 15. I currently am holding rooms with AAA discount, but purchased my Ap during our short stay in Mar. just so I could use it on this Oct trip. :sad2: I guess with the lack of concrete info today I'm not feeling confident enough to 'bet the farm" and lose what I already have. If I find out more info on Monday, though, I'll miss my 120 day window. Major bummer :confused3 :confused3 :confused3
 
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I put in for 3 nights in mid-October (15-18) for a moderate standard, just to compare that to my AAA offer (currently at $440 for POR standard). The price at CBR preferred is currently $551.94, and ASMo is $335.64 (including tax). Last time I looked, that appears to be RACK.

What if it ends up that they don't come out with a better rate? At least they could have matched AAA as an incentive.
 
Lollipop Mom said:
OK, here are the answers I have so far....

-cancellation policy:
-what rates are the matching:
sales says they will double check and get back to me on Monday but they are saying the same as guest services....public codes and AP codes only. Not PINs, not group rates, not AAA rates. They will get back to me with a 100% definite answer.

-using AAA:
as always codes are not combinable so you would have to either book with AAA or book the passholder best rate program. Sales is "guessing" that they will still have regular passholder rates as we know them but that with this offer they would expect that if they are released for call ins that they will be "drastically limited" because if they determine availability for a discount, they have to first discount everyone in the best rate program first. They did say that they suspect that if the best rate program has nonrefundable first night's deposit that there is a good chance that this will be the case for all AP rates in the future.

So....that's what I know so far and I don't expect to hear more untill next week. .... I'll post details as I learn of them!

Thank you very much for your persistence and sharing of all this info'n. I'd be interested in learning more about which rates it will guarantee...GPub or AP too. But I'm still not sure I'm willing to gamble away my AAA in the pocket as those get used of quickly too. On the otherhand...if Disney didn't at least match that w/ this AP best deal...I think it would REALLY tick off the AP community. Have to run...thanks again. Will have to keep thinking about this one...
 
Yeah I think that the non-refundable is really going to hurt them. I am glad that at the very least where I will stay in November I will either pay 2/night more or 18/night more depending on if I stay at value or moderate.

I think they are going to have a lot of irate AP holders because they are going to feel so locked in and very restricted on what they can do.
 
how is this any incentive for me as a passholder? I just don't get it....I mean , yeah ok so they MAY apply a better rate for me but I don't mind checking and calling in either...
 
We had thought about getting an AP. Because we will be making 2 trips in 2006. Now I don't think we will get an AP.
 
I am quite disappointed....of course my AAA rate is better than what I can book online...I am going to wait a few days till the CM's know about it and then call in.
 
I looked at the passholder site for our trip in August. AP rates are the same - no surprise. BUT, it says that only ONE room may be booked at the AP rate (instead of three) and the passholder must be in the traveling party.

We have two rooms booked in November - one for DS's family (5 nights) and one for us (9 nights) and we were hoping to get AP discounts applied. If rates become available, I would have to cancel DS's room, have DH (who is also a passholder) book it to get the rate and become part of that traveling party?

Our APs will expire during the November trip. I'm not really seeing a reason to renew.
 
I guess it will decrease all the call volume and worrying about codes being released if they automatically discount your room, but it sounds like there may be no more discounts that we are used to for passholders.
 
Lewisc said:
Disney could also skew the allocation of AP rooms toward the resorts without many AP reservations. They could also skew the allocation toward the room category without many AP reservations. Don't offer the AP discounts for the standard WL and AKL rooms. Since that's what many people book those guests will have to upgrade. Disney could then add AP rates to those rooms a week or two later. Particularly if they decide not to let guests downgrade without charging a change fee or forfeit their deposit. Sounds like a way to lock guests without giving us anything.

Yes, I wondered about the same issues. Every random date that I tried in November (we're going in December so I was just playing with it trying to find a discount ANYWHERE) for AKL was showing only savannah, pool deluxe and savannah deluxe availability. So even if they post a discount, it appears it will have to be for the most expensive rooms. One caveat about this: I didn't have time to check the general non-AP site availability to see if they are showing standard and regular poolview rooms for the same dates but I will.

I just don't see any advantage to booking this way right now - and I have been thinking about it all afternoon. It feels that Disney doesn't value it's APers ... and this is not coming from someone who laments the idea that Disney is a business first and foremost. However, I think APers must spend lots of money at Disney on ancillary services and alienating this group isn't a wonderful business move. So I hope no one takes the bait and uses this option. If it's wildly unpopular, I am sure Disney will try something else to reel us all back in again. :flower:
 
This sucks!

Nonrefundable deposit. Can only book one room. Have to book 120 days in advance. WDW might give AP holders a room discount?

This really sucks!
 
Hummm....I know things are not very clear at this point, but I still do not find this an attractive offer at all. I certainly won't be booking online. I'd want a quaranteed rate before I booked, and it sure would have to be better than rack rate!
 














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