Extra screening-just wow...

Plenty of non-special needs 4 year olds use strollers, as noted in another thread on this board.

Perhaps, instead of "hope you never have a child with special needs", why not just point out that kids at Disney use them up to age six?

My severely autistic cousin wasn't using a stroller at age four. You couldn't keep him in one. We had a harness for him instead! :laughing:

Good point. I can't imagine the looks you received for the harness! I would have liked one for my daughter, she was always trying to escape.
 
What exactly are you characterizing as "stroller age"? I would think that if OP's child was a toddler the comment would have merely gone over their head rather than upsetting them. Children mostly take their cues from their parents--if they see you are upset and overreacting then they will follow suit. Bottom line is that there are many parents who overly coddle their children and make a big deal out of nothing. This is not helpful to the child.

Stroller age at disney can go up to 5 or 6 rather easily. I could be recalling incorrectly, but I thought the OP referred to a child in a stroller, so that's the term I used.

as for the rest, all I can say is that it is a huge leap and assumption to think that anyone responding here is getting upset in front of their child. I am having a discussion here, yes, and I have an opinion. That does not equate to being upset in front of my child were this question to be posed to my daughter.
 
I didn't say you did..I'm sorry if you felt I implied it personally.


Remove disney world from the equation. a random adult approaches a child this on the street in New York City asking them which parent they love more. I very seriously doubt it would be received the way it is in this discussion.

Disney, as we are clearly seeing, is not removed from the rest of the world.

I don't think I did... Though I may be getting posters mixed up now. :crazy2:

Anyway, removing Disney from the equation, I would find the question odd, but not in any way alarming. Strangers talked to my children a lot, when we were out and about (which we were a lot, as I don't drive). Often the elderly ones offered them candy, which was awkward. My very young kids were also offered Cosmo (to read! Eek!) and once a pair of surgical gloves (don't touch that!). Learning to interact in a reasonable way with dodgy-but-friendly strangers was a big part of my children's lives.

I just kept coming back to, "Always assume good intentions, until proven otherwise!" It never led us astray.
 
Learning to interact in a reasonable way with dodgy-but-friendly strangers was a big part of my children's lives.

I just kept coming back to, "Always assume good intentions, until proven otherwise!" It never led us astray.
I don't disagree with this at all. But I also don't think that it's unreasonable to expect Disney employees not to approach children (their target demographic) in a way that could be considered "dodgy" (good word, btw) anywhere else. This is what Disney does all day every day. No one is saying this has to be some big giant deal...just a simple redirection and move on.
 

Good point. I can't imagine the looks you received for the harness! I would have liked one for my daughter, she was always trying to escape.

It was fun! We had a harness on the autistic four year old, and a wrist-leash on the two year old. This was in Tennessee. My cousin was so busy chasing after her older one that everyone assumed I was the mother of the toddler, even though I was just fourteen. People used to shout after us, "You got your babies chained!" And we'd just grin and say, "Yup!"

That boy grew up to be a handsome, amiable, happy fellow. Still non-verbal, but he did become an Eagle Scout and now he lives in a group home. I'm very proud of him! :)
 
I would never tell my children to always assume good intentions from strangers. One of my dear friends had her child murdered when she was 7 (our daughters were the same age). How did your kids know when it was ok to talk to strangers? Did they only do this in your presence? (no sarcasm here!)

When my children were small, we interacted with strangers together. By the time they were old enough to leave my side and venture out independently, I could be confident they were capable to handling themselves in most situations. My son was managing a once-weekly paper route by nine.

Why did I take this approach? I was molested as a nine year old. I had to go to court to testify. I learned that people who are close family friends, people who have the key to your home, people who are trusted by your parent, can be predators. Just because someone is a friend, that doesn't mean they won't hurt you. Just because someone is a stranger, that doesn't mean they won't help you.

Yes, I WELL understood that strangers were a LOT less likely to hurt my child, than anyone they knew and trusted in their daily life - teachers, coaches, scout leaders, pastors, neighbours, parents of other kids... When I had kids, I decided they needed defences that were a heck of a lot more comprehensive than just "don't talk to strangers".

Matter of fact, I've come to believe there are few things MORE harmful to teach your child than, "Don't talk to strangers." I feel really quite strongly that by teaching this idiotic mantra to your children, you are making them vulnerable. You're setting them up to be hurt. You're cutting them off from the very people who could keep them safe, in the event of an emergency.

Strangers are the people who will help them when they are lost and alone.

Of course, I taught my children to understand boundaries and limits. I taught them that they didn't have to be obedient and do what someone says, just because they're older, or a teacher, or a coach. Don't get in anyone's car, even if you know them, without asking me. Don't go into someone's house without asking first. Don't run off with friends, without asking. No kissing grandma, if you don't feel like kissing grandma. I taught them to be suspicious and ask questions (something that came naturally to one kid, not so much to the other).

But I also taught my children that strangers are their first line of defense against predators.

We had games we played. I'd challenge the kids to "pick your stranger". Look around. If you need help, who will you ask? That mommy with her kids? Good idea! She's already got kids, she doesn't need more. That daddy? Also, good! How about that person working in the shop? Not bad, they're on the job and they likely have access to a phone. A bus driver! A city worker! These are all people who will help you.

I also taught them, "No! Stop! Go!" If someone is doing something that makes you uncomfortable, you tell them, NO! You tell them STOP! And you GO find a trusted adult to tell about it.

I'm very sorry if your friend's child was murdered by a stranger, but the odds of that happening are significantly less than getting hit by lightning. The vast majority of children are molested and murdered by people they know very well. Teaching them to fear strangers makes no sense at all.

We need strangers. That's what being part of society is all about.

(Oh, and I know you don't much care for my book recs, but I have to rec this one anyway, as he does a much better job of articulating my approach to this than I ever could: http://gavindebecker.com/resources/book/protecting_the_gift/ It's not just a parenting advice thing - it applies to you and me, as adults, as well.)

Edited to add: Of course, if your child is not neurotypical, then it's entirely possible nothing I've written applies to you. Every parent knows their particular child's capabilities best.
 
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If this was a Disney CM guard, the OP should head straight to Guest Relations, make their concerns known, and maybe pick up some FP+ for their trouble.

I'm very disappointed in the metal detector screening at Disney Parks. I would have hoped that the Imagineers could have been involved to come up with a better security solution that doesn't look so ominous at the gates. Extremely disappointed that CSC stadium event staff are the front face of the metal detector process. They look sloppy, lack professionalism, and are the opposite of everything you come to expect of someone working the front gate at a Disney Park. I understand if you put Disney security side-by-side the uniformed law enforcement, it's a necessary evil, but the CSC metal detector folks are the worst.

Just like everything at a Disney Park, it's all part of the show. This is nothing more than security theater, because let's be honest, if a crazy were going to do something they'd find a way around. This security theater is just so that my family from Kansas doesn't cancel our trip over security fears.
 
It probably wasn't the best question to ask but for me it wouldn't be a biggie. Glad you didn't let it get to you and you could enjoy the rest of your trip :)
 
Thank you for your thoughtful response! I agree with and practice almost everything you have said in regards to family members & close friends. I like your "pick your stranger" game! This is really good. My kids are 12 & 14 now and I don't worry as much but I hope to be a grandma some day so this is still relevant to me. I never thought of strangers as the people who could help my kids in emergencies. Lots of things to think about. I appreciate the time you took to type all this out!

Aw, thanks! I'm glad you appreciated my post. :) I was worried I'd gone all rant-y.
 
My take on most of this conversation. If you truly don't want someone to give you advice, do not come to a public forum and ask for it then get your knickers twisted when you don't agree with that advice.

As to the security guard, I would have simply laughed it off. They are human, they probably get bored, and maybe it was not the best question but sure he had no bad intentions. I would have let my child answer if he/she wanted to and if not, then so be it.
 
Yes, but the child didn't pick. Mom did.

Not so random, when someone can say, "no, not me, him."

Ah, but who's to say if the loved parent will be or won't be sent through. At the end, it's still the guard deciding. IF it had gone the way the guard was trying to get it to go.




My job was to coach and guide my kids until they could function in the real world, without me. I never saw my job as protecting them from questions like, "Who is your favourite parent?"

:)

Sarcasm. It's not nice to judge others parenting skills and you seem pretty satisfied that your way is right. What works for yours does not work for mine.

Magpie isn't coming from the place you think she is at all.

Providing parenting advice / links is rude when I'm not asking for advice on how to raise my kids. Maybe she was coming from a good place. Posting yet ANOTHER link for me in a different post has me wondering.

You literally wrote "I have a child with high anxiety. I would love for him not to be so sensitive....I certainly wish mine could." Can you not see that this could be considered a request for help? And she did it in a really very loving, kind way. Better than I could ever do, that's for darned sure.

I think it's pretty clear, however, that people are fairly split on whether this joke is appropriate, or not. Clearly, the guard thought it was. Other folks in this thread think it's fine, too. Some don't.

Agreed.


That said, we regularly refer to our daughter as "our favourite daughter" and our son as "our favourite son" to the predictable protests of "But you only have one daughter, or son!" So, I may be biased with regards to the inherent humour of the situation.

:) I routinely tell my son that he is absolutely my most (or sometimes least) favorite child.

Of course, he's my only child, so...

When it's debatable as to whether or not something is appropriate, as clearly this is as it is being debated :), then IMO Disney should air on the side of caution.

I have always been terrified of characters at Disney. I wish that Disney would err on the side of caution with characters!

I have a feeling, however, that erring on the side of "please don't panic Molly" would make a LOT of other people really really annoyed.

You never said anyone was a poor parent :) You just went on to explain to everyone in detail how you did your parenting. And you posted some links for me to learn how to do it right.

I hope you can come back and read her posts another time. You're taking them all wrong.

She's closer to knowing "the rest of the story" with her kids. They are older and she's seeing what happened. These are their personalities, this is hers, this is what she did, this is what happened. There is nothing wrong with her sharing all of that. Take some of what she said or don't. I'm 100% sure she knows that a ton of it is personality-dependent. My stinker of a son REFUSED to believe me that he was not, actually, in mortal peril in the stretching room of Haunted Mansion. He was sure that I was wrong and all the other people in the room were right, and that we were about to die. He's 12 and I am fairly certain he finally started to realize that I might be right about 6 months ago. Sigh. No amount of calming letting him know it's OK helped him. I mean, it's not like I was standing there, quaking in fear, starting to cry b/c maybe we were all about to die on Haunted Mansion and I was just trying to keep it from him. I *love* the ride and *wanted* to ride it. But he wouldn't believe me. Strong strong personality.

Remove disney world from the equation. a random adult approaches a child this on the street in New York City asking them which parent they love more. I very seriously doubt it would be received the way it is in this discussion.

And that person would almost certainly be my mother in law. I can totally imagine her asking that question for some reason known only to her. Ah, culture clashes....

Then, when you responded, I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, in case you weren't being sarcastic, and offered the best advice I could in response to what you said. Unfortunately, you were being sarcastic. So, yeah... ;)

And of course one should never assume sarcasm on the Dis, since it's actually against board rules. You were right to not assume it, IMO.

Good point. I can't imagine the looks you received for the harness! I would have liked one for my daughter, she was always trying to escape.

Why didn't you use one? I hope it wasn't because of perceived looks?

My mom raised us with harnesses. Not sure if she got looks; I'm sure she was too busy keeping all 4 of us safe to notice. Me and my brother with chest harnesses (mesh, because we were in CA and it was hot most of the time) and the two Alaskan Malamutes with collars and leather leashes. She loved us all and she wasn't going to pick and choose who amongst us should have a better chance at running into traffic.

I had a harness for my son b/c I love him and wanted to keep him safe without yanking on his shoulder. Alas we couldn't use it because he would bolt to the end of it and see how far over he could tilt before he fell. I'm fairly certain that my shoulder issues weren't made better by that!

I joke that I must have been around so much sled dog hair while growing up that it changed my DNA, and that DS is part malamute. He was practicing getting a sled unstuck from the snow!

Anyway, I had to go other directions because the harness didn't work for him. I couldn't have cared less about any perceived looks I might not get. I truly hope that wasn't the reason you didn't use one, since you wanted to use one.


I would never tell my children to always assume good intentions from strangers. One of my dear friends had her child murdered when she was 7 (our daughters were the same age). How did your kids know when it was ok to talk to strangers? Did they only do this in your presence? (no sarcasm here!)

magpie already got there...de Becker's books are AMAZING. Even if they don't work for your kids, adults should read them, too.

Assume the best doesn't mean "go off with anyone". It just means you don't have to start off so scared of everyone.

When DS was in aikido the sensei suggested reading The Gift of Fear. And I loved the book. It's great to help keep you safe.
 
That depends. Stroller age in the real world or stroller age at Disney? There is a thread right now with many people discussing how their 7, 8, 9 year olds use strollers at Disney.

I'm avoiding that thread, having read similar ones many times. I always feel guilty, because before I heard from all the folks defending why it's absolutely necessary for their school age child to be in a stroller... Well, I used to see those big kids in strollers, and think, "Oh, that kid's disabled/got special needs!"

Now I know they're likely to be just regular kids.

That said, my daughter sure would have liked a stroller, when she was fourteen and we visited Universal Studios. She's a bookish, unathletic young lady, and the morning after her first full day in the parks, she got out of bed... and fell flat on her face going, "My legs don't work!" We mocked her, SO mercilessly. ;) But we also tried not to run her off her feet quite so badly the next day.
 








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