Everything Genie, Genie+ and Individual Lightning Lane - Please Read Posts 1-7

[scrappinginontario]

No, unfortunately prices are not advertised in advance nor do they coincide with daily ticket prices. Each morning it's a new surprise???

Here's a link to historical data if that helps at all:

https://www.thrill-data.com/news/disney-world-genie-plus-price-tracker/

 

[ValpoCory]

No, unfortunately prices are not advertised in advance nor do they coincide with daily ticket prices. Each morning it's a new surprise???

Here's a link to historical data if that helps at all:

https://www.thrill-data.com/news/disney-world-genie-plus-price-tracker/

Thank you! I see in the 29 days since the dynamic pricing started, it's been just $15 only 7 times. I will expect at least $22, and be prepared for $25 per person per day.

 

[scrappinginontario]

Thank you! I see in the 29 days since the dynamic pricing started, it's been just $15 only 7 times. I will expect at least $22, and be prepared for $25 per person per day.

When are you going? We believe Thanksgiving will be an important time of seeing just how $$ they intend to price G+ and ILL$.

 

[leeniewdw]

This may be in the first post or discussed here, but with the changes to the advance purchase, I was just reminded that if we move our already booked room/ticket/G+ trip into 2023, they will remove the G+ from the booking (refund it I presume) and I'll have to do it daily at whatever the price is.

They told me this because we're moving our trip that was supposed to start tomorrow to December. So if we have to move it again (we're still kind of scrambling) and into January, we lose the prepaid rate and convenience. kind of a bummer but I guess their fine print basically says we can change things whenever we want.

 

[mcinthemagic]

I am visiting soon for a conference. I have an AP, but we will be getting an "After 1 PM" park ticket for my mom. Has anyone used G+/ILL with a conference ticket like that? Will they restrict the available G+ times when we sign in to show availability only after 1 pm? Is it even worth it to get it? It is my mom's first time so I want to make it fun but I'm not sure of the value of G+ for a half day ticket.

 

[scrappinginontario]

I am visiting soon for a conference. I have an AP, but we will be getting an "After 1 PM" park ticket for my mom. Has anyone used G+/ILL with a conference ticket like that? Will they restrict the available G+ times when we sign in to show availability only after 1 pm? Is it even worth it to get it? It is my mom's first time so I want to make it fun but I'm not sure of the value of G+ for a half day ticket.

You will need to wait until a LL return time is displaying 1PM or later to book it, similar to those who are booking for a park they are hopping to. More if this is explained on page 1.

‘Worth it’ is personal. If it were me and I was going for my mom’s first trip, I would purchase it. You can stack LL’s to use after you enter that park.

 

[mcinthemagic]

You will need to wait until a LL return time is displaying 1PM or later to book it, similar to those who are booking for a park they are hopping to. More if this is explained on page 1.

‘Worth it’ is personal. If it were me and I was going for my mom’s first trip, I would purchase it. You can stack LL’s to use after you enter that park.

Thank you!! I appreciate all of the efforts you have put into this thread - it's a goldmine of information!!

 

[scrappinginontario]

Nicole Update:

Someone just reported purchasing Genie+ for today which has delayed openings due to hurricane/tropical storm cleanup.

Guest purchased first LL at 7AM. They are eligible to book their 2nd LL at 4PM, 2 hours after DHS opens.

 

[KGolf31]

For someone visiting the Weekend of MLK - and staying the rest of the week (1/14 - 21), for parks like DHS where stacking usually ends up being the preferred route. Is this even feasible for lower attended park days? (At least these have been historically lower attended, who knows what 2023 brings)

I understand that you can essentially purposefully wait a bit to lag out SDD for a wait time closer to the evening to appropriately stack (IE a couple minutes from what it seems) like in your example on Page 1 from 2021 experience, but looking at last year's data via thrill-data, it almost seems like you could have a better shot at nabbing SDD at 7am and most likely other rides/options not extending out much if any throughout the day with 2hr windows moving down the queue.

Thoughts and strategies on how to approach Genie+ in lower attended park days? Or just avoid it all together if you're really not gaining much of anything besides perhaps 1 popular attraction and just use the Genie+ money for ILL$

Thanks

 

[g-dad66]

For someone visiting the Weekend of MLK - and staying the rest of the week (1/14 - 21), for parks like DHS where stacking usually ends up being the preferred route. Is this even feasible for lower attended park days? (At least these have been historically lower attended, who knows what 2023 brings)

I understand that you can essentially purposefully wait a bit to lag out SDD for a wait time closer to the evening to appropriately stack (IE a couple minutes from what it seems) like in your example on Page 1 from 2021 experience, but looking at last year's data via thrill-data, it almost seems like you could have a better shot at nabbing SDD at 7am and most likely other rides/options not extending out much if any throughout the day with 2hr windows moving down the queue.

Thoughts and strategies on how to approach Genie+ in lower attended park days? Or just avoid it all together if you're really not gaining much of anything besides perhaps 1 popular attraction and just use the Genie+ money for ILL$

Thanks

I think what you are suggesting makes sense if you are willing to skip Slinky (or maybe do standby for it just before closing).

Slinky is somewhat unique in how quickly the return times are late. You have to be fast at 7:00 am to have any hope of getting a return time earlier than 2 hours from park closing. If your return time is late, then you cannot get a second LL until 2 hours after park opening.

But if you forego Slinky and get any other LL at 7:00 am, then you have a good chance of getting 2nd and 3rd LLs earlier in the day.

 

[KGolf31]

I think what you are suggesting makes sense if you are willing to skip Slinky (or maybe do standby for it just before closing).

Slinky is somewhat unique in how quickly the return times are late. You have to be fast at 7:00 am to have any hope of getting a return time earlier than 2 hours from park closing. If your return time is late, then you cannot get a second LL until 2 hours after park opening.

But if you forego Slinky and get any other LL at 7:00 am, then you have a good chance of getting 2nd and 3rd LLs earlier in the day.

Just didn't know if slower times would differ from the "norm" and strategies of Genie+ for DHS with attempts to stack. Certainly not opposed to it, but just was curious if the similar or different trends while parks weren't as busy existed. Looking at the data, Slinky does almost immediately go to a late return time for sure.

We'd be Park Hopping most of the time to either Epcot or DHS throughout our stay at BWV, so sounds like you can approach the situation a couple different ways. Stacking may prevent Park Hopping, unless I got Genie+ DAK I suppose and booked Slinky for a late return arrival and stacked in that sense for post 2pm Park Hop. Does that make sense?

 

[g-dad66]

Just didn't know if slower times would differ from the "norm" and strategies of Genie+ for DHS with attempts to stack. Certainly not opposed to it, but just was curious if the similar or different trends while parks weren't as busy existed. Looking at the data, Slinky does almost immediately go to a late return time for sure.

We'd be Park Hopping most of the time to either Epcot or DHS throughout our stay at BWV, so sounds like you can approach the situation a couple different ways. Stacking may prevent Park Hopping, unless I got Genie+ DAK I suppose and booked Slinky for a late return arrival and stacked in that sense for post 2pm Park Hop. Does that make sense?

Makes perfect sense. We did exactly that during last trip. Didn't book any LLs for first park (Animal Kingdom). Stacked all LLs for second park (DHS).

 

[isabellea]

Thank you! I see in the 29 days since the dynamic pricing started, it's been just $15 only 7 times. I will expect at least $22, and be prepared for $25 per person per day.

We are going Dec 28-Jan 4 and I’m budgeting 25$/day per person. If it’s less, we’ll have extra snack money for our Universal stay that starts Jan 4.

 

[hsmamato2]

Ok, I'm starting to get into researching all of this..... I get the difference between genie and genie+...what's less clear to me in all the info threads is the difference between LL and ILL? If I could be pointed in the right direction to read I'd appreciate it! I see a list of ILL rides, but I can't figure out how LL fits into all of this,and planning out a day. TIA

 

[Chrisizzle]

Others will know much more than myself, but to get things rolling…

Basic Genie provides basic advice to all guests for free, but it likely suits Disney more than you to direct crowds where they want them.

Genie Plus let’s you book Lightning Lanes for express access to most rides.

Individual Lightning Lanes are on the hottest new rides. They are a paid service per person, per ride. So, if a ride is $15, that would be $60 for a family of 4 to skip that line. You do not need Genie Plus to buy an Individual Lightning Lane.

 

[GrumpyInPhilly]

Here you go:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/e...lightning-lane-please-read-posts-1-7.3856734/

 

[CynBeth]

Basically the ILL is where at each park there are a few rides you pay an extra fee the cost depends on the ride and time of year to book at 7 am on that day and you get a choice in the time and go into the special line at the ride. You do not need Genie+ for it. If you are park hopping it gives you the option for a time after 2 pm for the second park. For the LL that is similar to what a FP was except you do need Genie+ and have to purchase it every day can do that beginning at midnight I believe and then at 7 am you book your first ride but do not get a choice in the time and then throughout the day keep booking. Things have changed since we used it around this time last year so not sure if you can book your next ride once you finish the ride you were just on or if it is 2 hours after your first booking you can make your next one. You go in the special line at that ride. For both types you have an hour time slot so if your reservation was at 9 am you have until 10 am although I think there is a 5 minute grace period before and after. If the ride is down they give you an option of coming back any time that day or choosing a different ride.

 

[hsmamato2]

So I would need to buy Genie+ to get even a "free" LL...right? I think that was my confusion,I thought there was still some decent non paying options left but no? (other than just standing in a line) so if I want a higher tier ride, I'd NEED the genie+ or ILL to get on it,as some rides only have that option now?

 

[Miffy]

So I would need to buy Genie+ to get even a "free" LL...right? I think that was my confusion,I thought there was still some decent non paying options left but no? (other than just standing in a line) so if I want a higher tier ride, I'd NEED the genie+ or ILL to get on it,as some rides only have that option now?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by some rides only having that option, but in fact you can use the standby line for any ride except GotG, which has only a virtual queue and ILL$. Everything else in all 4 parks has a standby line.

People purchase G+ and ILL$ so they won't have to stand in line as long at rides, not because it's the only option. So, standing in the standby line is the "free" option.

Perhaps you're thinking that Genie (not G+) is the free version? But all Genie does is suggest rides and itineraries--it doesn't give you a preference over anyone else in the standby line.

HTH.

 

[onegai]

The biggest thing is that Individual Lightning Lanes are separate from Genie+