Epcot, AK and DHS have been slow all summer?

Disney has increased prices by a good 10% per year for at least the last 3 years, we used to go 3 times a year, now we will likely go once. Disney is screwing up their pricing, people will still go but they won't go as much imo

And if that becomes a trend...they'll be forced to adjust.

Disney has always, deep down, hoped that the "upper class" will step in and do multiple visits a year to fill the void of the "middle" class.

But that isn't a good marriage. One of the reasons the Four Seasons is user construction is an acknowledgement of that.

Disney is champagne pricing on a beer quality level...those that can spend what they want... Typically see right through it and aren't impressed.
 
I dont' think they're "dead" or have a very serious problem...but if i recall their numbers have a mixed bag. Money is up comparatively but attendance really isn't.

As a traveler, that's pretty good news...less is always more enjoyable as crowd goes.

But, i tend to agree that there could be a developing problem that disney is aware of but has been hesitant to pay to fix. And maybe why it is a foregone conclusion that they do a large scale addition/redesign or studios and spend more time, money...and what's really needed: dedication to EPCOT and animal kingdom.

They don't really give us much new anymore...and no matter how unfair the suits in the Dwarf Building might think that's unfair...the minute they decide to build a park they should just plan on spending large construction for the life of the park to keep people on the hook. They are selling the most frivolous/disposable of consumer products...and if you are doing so you don't get any time to rest on your laurels and "collect" then thats the deal. Their investments in orlando have slowed to a trickle based on their volume and revenue there...be honest and say it. A cutesy little redo of abandoned space with shops and a couple of rehashed replicated rides out of the 1960 WDI playbook at the magic kingdom represents their most dedicated activity in WDW since animal kingdom (and that went off the rails from the get go too...not a crown jewel for disney parks) isn't cutting it if you want to maintain your position of themepark dominance. Eventually erosion is gonna occur...if only on the margins.

But its not all bad for "poor" disney...they use particularly WDW for a large amount of operating capital and stock bump...and they charge basically as much as they want (which probably IS part of the problem...i'll get to that)...so they still are reaping the benefits.

But luckily for us they'll throw money and getting the parks to try and get them back up...instead of bleeding them into decay (a la six flags who even has done alot of investment themselves)...the empire will strike back. And they can because they are a corporate entertainment juggernaut that has never been worth more (if you believe in the "value" that the pack of criminals known as "finance" peddle on the rest of the world). Disney has an interest to keep their gravy train on the tracks...so good days for the customer could be ahead. The period since animal kingdom has been the most stagnant time in the history of disney parks for some of the sites...notably the Flagship and Paris. They just haven't done what they need to do (and spend) to keep the places fresh. If the market determines everything...then they should be in decline, all things being equal.

But as much as they throw how much they've "spent" at investor events and press functions...they really have done the cruise control thing in florida for along time. Eisner lost his mojo and Iger is real proud of himself for basically squeezing the oranges to get a little more juice out of them. Iconic entertainment giants...they are not.

But i also think they've priced some people out...prices always rise...but they've really gone a little haywire the last five years or so. Realistically, they should have probably froze or even reduced during the condo scam bubble collapse...but they kept chugging along with increases as if nothing had happened...while also complaining about having to discounts.

The other thing...and this isn't disney but everywhere...is the "recovery" is a hoax. Its not for the greedys that screwed everything up in the first place...but the middle class (disney's core business)- whatever that is - hasn't seen and increase in disposable income. They're lucky to creep back to the pre 2000 level (relative to inflation) before massive, easy, stupido debt was dumped on the entire system. we all know the factors: housing gambling, massive consumer society credit debt, massive college debt, and the shifting of almost all paying wages overseas if possible...

The average joe isn't doing better...his house hasn't regained its value...he's not making more now than he did 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 years ago when looked at as part of the system.
And perhaps that is out of disney's control. But it's real, if you can find the information, read it for yourself, and process it like a math/science equation...which deal in facts.

Disney really SHOULD be suffering...they haven't done what they have needed for awhile.
Here's hoping that they - grudgingly of course - just swallow it and make more effort to do so.

You got it right on just about everything. I think the average middle class salary is about $40,000 give or take. That used to be good money.

They say inflation isn't there. It isn't, the way the government figures it. Realistically it is, and in the big way.

Combine inflation and flat wage increases that's a big hit.

Then you got full time jobs turning into part time jobs. That equals wage decrease.

In a way I was lucky I bought into DVC when it was $60.00 a point. Today at $150.00 a point, no way. As it is, our time in the parks is far less now. We use DVC as a home base now. There are plenty of other things to do. Even sitting around at the pool is enjoyable. Who knows, they may decide to put a surcharge on that. LOL.
 
In addition. I remember Chrysler when it was a good company. Guess what brought it down .... Bean counters.

It tends to happen in every company. They go over board.
 
In addition. I remember Chrysler when it was a good company. Guess what brought it down .... Bean counters.

It tends to happen in every company. They go over board.

LOL...
In something of an ironic twist...a certain boutique grocer chain (think "tropical") where my wife works part time in a good situation, and is often lauded as a "best company to work for", made a subtle yet cutthroat corporate benefit change under the radar this week.

That is a bean counter move...as what they claim caused it (you can guess there)...actually doesn't affect them at ALL because their longstanding policy was more generous. Bean counting using the white house as a shield...all it is.

what's funny is their "core value" was if they invested in their entire workforce, they put out a better customer experience and get more back in brand loyalty than they lay out in overhead. and it had always worked.

That was disney pre 1995...and their quality has slipped ever since. Fact.
 

You got it right on just about everything. I think the average middle class salary is about $40,000 give or take. That used to be good money.

They say inflation isn't there. It isn't, the way the government figures it. Realistically it is, and in the big way.

Combine inflation and flat wage increases that's a big hit.

Then you got full time jobs turning into part time jobs. That equals wage decrease.

In a way I was lucky I bought into DVC when it was $60.00 a point. Today at $150.00 a point, no way. As it is, our time in the parks is far less now. We use DVC as a home base now. There are plenty of other things to do. Even sitting around at the pool is enjoyable. Who knows, they may decide to put a surcharge on that. LOL.

I'm laughing:lmao:

you couldnt have said it better...ESPECIALLY about DVC.

i think ours was $79.50 after the incentives per point when we bought, two professional level incomes with a cushion, pre kids and stay at home at the time...

I honestly am 50% pure laughter and 50% pure anger (that they kill the trees) everytime i get a "buy now before its gone/goes up" mailer on cardstock from DVC...only about 6 times a year.

Are they completely delusional? I've talked to one of my former co-workers who sells...and i have talked to our "guide" a few times...and i ask them "what on earth makes you guys think that any of the old membership is impressed by the pitches now (unless they're a little clustered...which sadly many are)?

The response i get is "its' only gonna go up and you get priority where you want if you buy in..."

PASS!!!! no chance of a sale there for an add on. I actually want one...but no way on their terms. When the time comes i'll buy a "short" contract on third party resale...only 25-35 years left or so...to bump our points. But i couldn't in good conscious buy from disney. no thanks. My other favorite is when they sold "old" points in the inventory at CURRENT prices? you gotta be kidding me...its like me selling a 2000 ford focus for twice the original sticker price...come on. That one always kills me. if the whole point is to offset costs and get me there to buy other stuff (and it is)...then just put them out a discount and get rid of them like hotcakes...like baseball players out the cornfield: people will come. and they'll be thrilled at the "deal" and you'll make even more.

They squeeze us more every year on food (damn dining plan), tickets (annual pass blood sucking), stuff (higher prices, less quality...though i typically buy nothing), and ancillary costs (notable airfare) goes up on a steady curve as well.
so not only are the points now a way lesser value than 10-20 years ago...they are layered with additional costs that rise without taking a break.

really...while i got my good deal with dvc...the new sales are delusional.

sure i'll pay you $155 for the Grand Floridian (and i know that place frontwards and back...so it aint that grand) points...AND get far less out of them because of the monorail line point charts?

heck no, baby:stir:
 
When I bought the points at 60 I already saw the pattern of price increases in points, so I figured how many I would ever need and bought them at the lower price. Every time the price went up I just sat back and smiled.
 
Two observations from our trip in August

1. The restaurants were often half-empty. Not sure if there was free dining going on or not (we didn't have any), but I think people (ok me) are really rethinking the prices versus the quality of the food that you get at many table service restaurants there.

2. FutureWorld is broken. Beside Soarin and Test Track, it actually made me feel sad. I think it's at the point it needs to be totally redone or just give up and make Epcot into an open mall where you can eat and drink and buy trinkets.
 
We were there the first week of July (4th of July week) and were surprised at how easy it was to get into almost any restaurant we wanted to go to. We never waited in a long line for any attraction. But, the cost of the resorts, did chase us off property for the 10 nights we were in Florida.
 
I just don't see it!:confused3 We are going down in Oct. and I can't get into a sit down restaurant for dinner the whole time we are there, unless we want to eat at 8:00 at night. We were there June 16-22 and it was busy at every park we went to. Prices are going to be high as long as WDW can get people to pay the prices. If they stop coming, believe it or not, WDW will do something to get us to come back. I would like to find a day or two , when the parks were slow, so we could stroll just a little slower.:rotfl2:
 
I just don't see it!:confused3 We are going down in Oct. and I can't get into a sit down restaurant for dinner the whole time we are there, unless we want to eat at 8:00 at night. We were there June 16-22 and it was busy at every park we went to. Prices are going to be high as long as WDW can get people to pay the prices. If they stop coming, believe it or not, WDW will do something to get us to come back. I would like to find a day or two , when the parks were slow, so we could stroll just a little slower.:rotfl2:

Free dining...which floods the restaurants...

Restaurants are not reflective of the overall crowd because they provide limited space

A dining promotion throws the booking off as an indicator.
Coincidentally...free dining is also done because - you guessed it - business is slow


The other thing is October is a very popular month now...food and wine festival brings alot of vacation club and Florida residents
 
Just finishing a 9-day stay at WDW. Couldn't get into Be Our Guest for lunch nor dinner, barely got an 'Ohana reservation at 9:30p on a random Monday night... Parks were typical for the slow period.

If anyone is ever able to see everything they wanted to see, eat everything everywhere they wanted to eat, and do everything that they wanted to do, I would say Disney did its job in making the magic. Consider yourselves blessed and I hope your luck continues.

As for the rest of us, it's back to planning and wishing for our next trip so we can get to the things we missed this time around.
 
I wasn't there this summer but spent 10 days in May and evry day very crowded to jam packed. I see no problems for them and they are saying spending at the parks is up so far in 2013. Universal will never get to Disney's level no matter how much $$ Comcast throws at it. (Still pissed they couldn't take over Disney some years ago)
 
I wasn't there this summer but spent 10 days in May and evry day very crowded to jam packed. I see no problems for them and they are saying spending at the parks is up so far in 2013. Universal will never get to Disney's level no matter how much $$ Comcast throws at it. (Still pissed they couldn't take over Disney some years ago)

Spent 8 days there in may and it was delightfully dead.

Same day reservations, little crowds anywhere... Almost no lines including the "brand spankin new" fantasyland rides.

Only line was the belle story in fantasyland and the line to get quickserve at the beauty and the beast restaurant.

Chicken fingers, anyone?
 
Just finishing a 9-day stay at WDW. Couldn't get into Be Our Guest for lunch nor dinner, barely got an 'Ohana reservation at 9:30p on a random Monday night... Parks were typical for the slow period.

If anyone is ever able to see everything they wanted to see, eat everything everywhere they wanted to eat, and do everything that they wanted to do, I would say Disney did its job in making the magic. Consider yourselves blessed and I hope your luck continues.

As for the rest of us, it's back to planning and wishing for our next trip so we can get to the things we missed this time around.

Be our guest is the "it" thing right now...it has like 500 seats... Which means even on the slowest of days it's gonna be full if there is any newness/ buzz to the place.

That doesn't mean much.

Ohana always had a strong following and typically booked in advance. Longtime favorite of disneyphiles. Sadly, the food and service are no where close to what it was
 
We are DVC members- didn't get in at the great prices some posters did. We're planning trips in April 2014 and November 2014. Points won't cover both trips because we're taking guests. In the past when this happened, we'd book another WDW resort, sometimes deluxe and sometimes mod. Not for these trips though. The mods start at $198/night. The cheapest DVC is about $400/night. Are you kidding me? A Poly standard room is $699! We are scheduled to arrive the day before Easter but the cheapest Poly night during our stay is $592.

This past April, we stayed at Bonnet Creek in a 2 bedroom for 6 nights. It cost $740.
I don't care if the WDW resort/DVC villa air conditioning units blow bubbles and the CMs poot pixie dust, there's no way I will pay Disney's prices. We can take 3 or more WDW trips, not including DVC, for what the Disney deluxe resorts cost.
 
We are DVC members- didn't get in at the great prices some posters did. We're planning trips in April 2014 and Nvermber 2014. Points won't cover both trips because we're taking guests. In the past when this happened, we'd book another WDW resort, sometimes deluxe and sometimes mod. Not for these trips though. The mods start at $198/night. The cheapest DVC is about $400/night. Are you kidding me? A Poly standard room is $699! We are scheduled to arrive the day before Easter but the cheapest Poly night during our stay is $592.

This past April, we stayed at Bonnet Creek in a 2 bedroom for 6 nights. It cost $740.
I don't care if the WDW resort/DVC villa air conditioning units blow bubbles and the CMs poot pixie dust, there's no way I will pay Disney's prices. We can take 3 or more WDW trips, not including DVC, for what the Disney deluxe resorts cost.

This is kinda the basis of what I have been ranting about for 5 years...

Thank you
 
This is kinda the basis of what I have been ranting about for 5 years...

Thank you

You're welcome.
Not too many years ago- 5 maybe, we stayed at CSR for $89/night. For our time period, it's $203. That's insane. I'm considering 2 rooms at the Dolphin. Those rooms are $229/night which is fair.
 
Just finishing a 9-day stay at WDW. Couldn't get into Be Our Guest for lunch nor dinner, barely got an 'Ohana reservation at 9:30p on a random Monday night... Parks were typical for the slow period.

If anyone is ever able to see everything they wanted to see, eat everything everywhere they wanted to eat, and do everything that they wanted to do, I would say Disney did its job in making the magic. Consider yourselves blessed and I hope your luck continues.

As for the rest of us, it's back to planning and wishing for our next trip so we can get to the things we missed this time around.

Yeah...Be Our Guest is in the Magic Kingdom. My OP focused on how empty the other parks are lately(especially their table service restaurants). Did you have a similar impression about the other three parks?
 
You're welcome.
Not too many years ago- 5 maybe, we stayed at CSR for $89/night. For our time period, it's $203. That's insane. I'm considering 2 rooms at the Dolphin. Those rooms are $229/night which is fair.

In march of 1972 a poly lagoon view was.....$40 a night.
 
In march of 1972 a poly lagoon view was.....$40 a night.

And it was always booked solid years in advance back then. When we returned to the Ploy at night this past July during most of the parks closing times we noticed that there were very view rooms at the GF were lit up. The Poly was a little better...but that was during the supposed "peak season". The GF's occupancy rate must be really low.
 








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