Entitlement Generation inspired by another thread

Haven't read all the posts, but here's my contribution:

I don't let DD run wild for the sake of my own sanity. :rotfl: My parents expected excellent behavior from us, so did DH's parents, and we always expected DD to be courteous and respectful to others. But that takes work, and a lot of people just aren't willing to do the work. They like the adorable clothes, accessories and cutesy toddler stage, but the discipline thing.....not so much. I knew from teaching that if you lay the groundwork early, the later years are so much more pleasant. Let them do what they want as toddlers and the teenage years will be worse than you can imagine. Get your bluff in early. :thumbsup2 Heaven knows, DD is not perfect, but she certainly knows how to behave in public.

When she had just turned 2, we went to a birthday party for 2 y.o. twins. Most of the guests were 18 months to 2 years old. As you can imagine, there was a lot of toy-grabbing and potential for hurt feelings. They hadn't really mastered sharing and taking turns at that point. Anyway, DD spotted a toy she wanted to play with and headed for it. Another kid had been playing with it, but was at that time sort of just sitting with it and not doing anything. But I knew if DD snatched it up, the kid would start to bawl. So just before DD got her hands on the toy, I said something like , "No, no. Leave that toy alone. He's playing with it. We'll find another toy for you." (DD toddled off to get a different toy, not bothered at all.) The important thing is.....I said no. Not harshly, but I spoke the word "no."

Another mother looked at me as if I had just backhanded DD and sent her flying across the room. :eek: Seriously, the look she gave me was the same look you'd give a person you had seen beating their child. I looked at her and said, "What?" :confused3 She said, "You said NO to her!" I explained that I had indeed said no, because DD was about to snag another kid's toy and she needed to be stopped before she did so.

Still looking shocked and sickened, she said, "But you used the word no. We never use that word with our children." She went into some speech about it affecting their self esteem or some crap like that. She further yakked that they instead explained to the child what they were doing wrong and discussed things, but never used the word no. :rolleyes1 I said, "Good luck with that. All I know is, if I had gone into an explanation with DD about how it's wrong to take another child's toy because it will hurt them and upset them, by the time I got that speech out, she would have already had the toy in her hot little hands and the other kid would be having a meltdown. By using the word 'no' at the beginning of my sentence, I stopped her in her tracks and THEN I had the chance to tell her she needed to leave the kid's toy alone. I haven't crushed her self-esteem yet by using the word 'no.' She's turned out just fine AND she knows how to behave."

Later, I told my friend (the mother of the birthday twins) about the encounter and she rolled her eyes and said, "Let me tell you, it's OBVIOUS that she never tells those kids no. You don't have to be around them for 5 minutes to figure that out." :rotfl2:

Poor DD. I'm still abusing her by telling her "no."
 
Haven't read all the posts, but here's my contribution:

I don't let DD run wild for the sake of my own sanity. :rotfl: My parents expected excellent behavior from us, so did DH's parents, and we always expected DD to be courteous and respectful to others. But that takes work, and a lot of people just aren't willing to do the work. They like the adorable clothes, accessories and cutesy toddler stage, but the discipline thing.....not so much. I knew from teaching that if you lay the groundwork early, the later years are so much more pleasant. Let them do what they want as toddlers and the teenage years will be worse than you can imagine. Get your bluff in early. :thumbsup2 Heaven knows, DD is not perfect, but she certainly knows how to behave in public.

When she had just turned 2, we went to a birthday party for 2 y.o. twins. Most of the guests were 18 months to 2 years old. As you can imagine, there was a lot of toy-grabbing and potential for hurt feelings. They hadn't really mastered sharing and taking turns at that point. Anyway, DD spotted a toy she wanted to play with and headed for it. Another kid had been playing with it, but was at that time sort of just sitting with it and not doing anything. But I knew if DD snatched it up, the kid would start to bawl. So just before DD got her hands on the toy, I said something like , "No, no. Leave that toy alone. He's playing with it. We'll find another toy for you." (DD toddled off to get a different toy, not bothered at all.) The important thing is.....I said no. Not harshly, but I spoke the word "no."

Another mother looked at me as if I had just backhanded DD and sent her flying across the room. :eek: Seriously, the look she gave me was the same look you'd give a person you had seen beating their child. I looked at her and said, "What?" :confused3 She said, "You said NO to her!" I explained that I had indeed said no, because DD was about to snag another kid's toy and she needed to be stopped before she did so.

Still looking shocked and sickened, she said, "But you used the word no. We never use that word with our children." She went into some speech about it affecting their self esteem or some crap like that. She further yakked that they instead explained to the child what they were doing wrong and discussed things, but never used the word no. :rolleyes1 I said, "Good luck with that. All I know is, if I had gone into an explanation with DD about how it's wrong to take another child's toy because it will hurt them and upset them, by the time I got that speech out, she would have already had the toy in her hot little hands and the other kid would be having a meltdown. By using the word 'no' at the beginning of my sentence, I stopped her in her tracks and THEN I had the chance to tell her she needed to leave the kid's toy alone. I haven't crushed her self-esteem yet by using the word 'no.' She's turned out just fine AND she knows how to behave."

Later, I told my friend (the mother of the birthday twins) about the encounter and she rolled her eyes and said, "Let me tell you, it's OBVIOUS that she never tells those kids no. You don't have to be around them for 5 minutes to figure that out." :rotfl2:

Poor DD. I'm still abusing her by telling her "no."

I call them oblivamoos.

I sometimes didn't even have to say the word, "no" - I just had to give the look. At 11, 16 and 21 - they still respect the look. I got the look, baby. hahaha.

Seriously - it's all about lazy parents. Some parents do think the world revolves around them and therefore, by inheritance, their children. But, in my experience - and I have plenty between customers, my kids friends, employees and their families, etc. most parents (I've been known to call them breeders and that pissed some people off last time I used that term...but, to me, if you're not parenting, you're nothing but a breeder) are just lazy.

That's why I love this whole "childfree" movement - which has been around for a while but has only recently gotten a lot of press. Actual grownups actually deciding and having conversations with their spouses, partners, themselves, and deciding they don't need to procreate simply because "society" expects it of them - first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes the baby in the baby carriage - no - these are responsible adults that decide parenting is not for them.

If more people actually rubbed their brain neurons together instead of various body parts before procreating (haha) and really put thought into why they want to become a parent, what kind of parent will they be, etc. things would be much different.

This is simply laziness. Lazy parents who just are going through the motions of what they "think" is next or filling some void or status symbol (always a favorite of mine when someone's child is their status symbol).

Sad, really.
 
Glad to see there are others out there that have similar views.

As my 6 year old likes to say "You get what you get and you don't have/throw a fit".
 
I live in a fairly affluent area (how I got her I have no idea because I am about as far from affluent as someone can get!), so believe me when I tell you, around here, there are TONS of snowflakes.

Where are you encountering all these snowflakes? Do you work with them? How much time and in what ways are you spending with the children in your area that you're labeling them as "snowflakes"?

I just spent my evening registering close to 100 families for a workshop on the transition from high school to college for students with learning disabilities. We were in the Student Union building on a local college campus. Loads of students milling around--it was fun to be there among their youthful energy, but I digress. :)

Every kid I dealt with for the workshop was a delight. Their parents, not so much, and in fact, a few of them were downright rude and nasty--yes, I am talking about the adults, not the kids. The nasty ones reeked of "entitlement" too. This was a free public event, and I did not get that vibe from any of the students I was near tonight, whether they were there for our seminar or just in the building.

I was just wondering what strikes you as a parent raising a child who is a card carrying member of the *entitlement generation* and what is simply normal childhood behaviour?

Example: I was in the grocery store the other day and a child was blocking the aisle as I was trying to wheel my cart by. I was patient and waited (being a parent myself), but when the child never moved even though the mother was (sweetly) calling the child's name for a very long time, I looked at the mother in disbelief. She never came to get the child!.......but instead looked at me as to say "this is my special snowflake.......she is the most important thing in the universe and it doesn't matter that you are waiting to get by......you will simply have to wait until my special snowflake decides to move". I was appalled.

I can guarantee if a kid--or even a frail-looking old lady--pulled a stunt like that in a North Jersey ShopRite, she'd have been mowed down by someone's cart. The shoppers around here take no prisoners, especially on a Sunday morning. :lmao:

The part I bolded is an awful lot of conjecture on your part. I can't imagine inferring that much from the look on a total stranger's face.

My thoughts are that a lot of people see things the way they want to see them. If you go looking for brats in public, you'll find them. There are always some around, as they have been for as long as I'm alive.

If you look for the good in people--and you don't do silly things like stand around analyzing facial gestures while waiting for someone to move out of your way--you will find decent kids and families. They are everywhere. :)
 

Where are you encountering all these snowflakes? Do you work with them? How much time and in what ways are you spending with the children in your area that you're labeling them as "snowflakes"?

this wasn't directed at me, but I know I see these kids everywhere here; grocery stores, clothing stores, the mall, the movies, restaurants, bookstores. It doesn't take working with them or spending a whole lot of time around them to realize what kind of child they have been made into by their bad parents...:sad2::confused3
 
this wasn't directed at me, but I know I see these kids everywhere here; grocery stores, clothing stores, the mall, the movies, restaurants, bookstores. It doesn't take working with them or spending a whole lot of time around them to realize what kind of child they are that they have the kinds of crazy parents that have made them that way...:sad2::confused3

Sorry, but I'm just not buying it. This whole "snowflake phenomenon" does not exist any more now than it did 40 years ago.

I don't see this whole "snow storm thing" in real life, and I'm out and about every day. I lead a very busy life in an bustling area. Lately, however, I hear this topic talked about a lot in the media and on-line, so I think lots of people believe they are seeing it because of the power of suggestion.

Every time a kid acts bratty in public, it doesn't mean their parents are spoiling them. The people in my generation and the ones coming up are not full of incompetent parents. I've seen kids acting bratty my whole life. It's nothing new--it's just a hot topic of conversation these days.
 
I call them oblivamoos.

I sometimes didn't even have to say the word, "no" - I just had to give the look. At 11, 16 and 21 - they still respect the look. I got the look, baby. hahaha.

Seriously - it's all about lazy parents. Some parents do think the world revolves around them and therefore, by inheritance, their children. But, in my experience - and I have plenty between customers, my kids friends, employees and their families, etc. most parents (I've been known to call them breeders and that pissed some people off last time I used that term...but, to me, if you're not parenting, you're nothing but a breeder) are just lazy.

That's why I love this whole "childfree" movement - which has been around for a while but has only recently gotten a lot of press. Actual grownups actually deciding and having conversations with their spouses, partners, themselves, and deciding they don't need to procreate simply because "society" expects it of them - first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes the baby in the baby carriage - no - these are responsible adults that decide parenting is not for them.

If more people actually rubbed their brain neurons together instead of various body parts before procreating (haha) and really put thought into why they want to become a parent, what kind of parent will they be, etc. things would be much different.

This is simply laziness. Lazy parents who just are going through the motions of what they "think" is next or filling some void or status symbol (always a favorite of mine when someone's child is their status symbol).

Sad, really.


Believe me, I am a master of THE LOOK. Even DH gets the willies when I give him the look. :lmao: I learned the look from my dear mother, who had elevated it to an art. :worship: DD practices it, having been told by me she will need to use it someday as a mother. ;) She is fully aware of and frozen by.....the look. Why yell at a kid when you can just employ the look? :confused3

But on that day, she was eyeballing a much desired toy and was not making eye contact with me, so the look would have done no good. That's why "no" was required.......to get her immediate attention. Let me make it clear, I did not snap at her, speak harshly or anything of the sort. But that mother looked at me like I ought to be the lead story on Nancy Grace. :rotfl2:

Gee, my mother never taught me "no" was a curse word. :sad2:

As for people who are childfree by choice.....God bless them. Too many people have kids "just because." Once they arrive, the parents have no idea what to do with them. I had a good friend in school who was one of 3 children. Her parents did all the right things. Went to college, got married, dad got a good job, SAHM, had lovely children and a very nice home, etc. But the mother had no more maternal instinct than the man in the moon. None. Those kids had to fend for themselves from a very early age. Two of them were resilient and survivors and turned out pretty well, but my friend was more vulnerable and things did not go well for her.

If they had been poor and living in a hovel, people would have screamed "neglect." But because they lived in a nice home in a good neighborhood and kept up appearances, no one suspected the level of neglect. Only her friends knew. And back then, no one knew to report it. To be fair, back then, I don't think anything would have been done about it. Long story short, that couple should have never had children. They just did it because that's what people did after they got married and it was expected. NOT having children simply was unheard of.
 
I blame the parents. Solely. I believe some people are born bad, no matter what their parents do. HOWEVER, the grand majority of "entitled" children are products of bad parenting. Not sure if these parents grew up in looser homes than the past, and are continuing the trend...Wish I knew!
I agree and as the world becomes more populated (these parents having more and more children), the problem becomes worse.
 












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