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[lowlight]

And that’s what most don’t either understand or unwilling to accept.

I have the sense for some owners it’s me me me me because I’m entitled to. No you are entitled to A room at your home resort. You aren’t entitled to a specific room but A room.

With first come first serve, it’s all owners for themselves. Which frankly is how it should be.

Yes, the people walking their reservation for 11 months and booking 12 “maybe” reservations are definitely not “me me me”.

 

[Sandisw]

Yes, the people walking their reservation for 11 months and booking 12 “maybe” reservations are definitely not “me me me”.

Let’s take it to the average owner threshold…

Does one think that BWV or AKV owners want a booking rule that only owners named on the deed can stay in the hard to get rooms?

If they do, then they have the ability to ask for a vote of all owners to change the POS.

Outside of that, DVC is going to have to balance all the terms of what owners are allowed to do to use their membership as intended.

My guess is that is why we haven’t seen any booking or modification rule changes because they haven’t yet found what they consider a better set of rules to deal with some of the issues that go beyond the commercial purpose clause.

In terms of owners holding as many reservations as they want just in case they decide to go?

As long as they don’t turn into rentals, that is guaranteed by the contract …even the 2008 policy allowed more than 20 if one could satisfy to the board none were rentals.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

If anyone is using a bot to book then it seems a bit too much and frankly unfair.

I can maybe click 10-20 times on my mouse within 5 sec and a bot can do it like 1,000 times or more. Don’t even know if it matters if I click 10-20 times at 8am

It's like trying to snag ComicCon tickets. Opening: 8:00:00 Sold Out: 8:00:07

I just get a vender table and tickets that way.

 

[xdan0920]

and renting half your points yearly to cover dues.

It will be interesting to see if they continue to allow that or not.

If renting half your points yearly doesn't qualify as "regular/frequent" I don't know what those words even mean TBH.

 

[GoingSince1990]

I found it mildly interesting when I just noticed that the top post in the rent/trade board from someone renting close to 2000 points specified "Experienced Private Owner" in the post title. I've never seen this verbiage on that board before and it makes me wonder if it is attempting to provide reassurance that the rentals offered would not be "commercial".

 

[GoingSince1990]

If renting half your points yearly doesn't qualify as "regular/frequent" I don't know what those words even mean TBH.

Someone owning an average number of points (around 200) could easily do one single rental per year to rent half their points. If I dine at a steakhouse one time every year, does that make me a "regular/frequent" visitor there?

 

[lowlight]

Someone owning an average number of points (around 200) could easily do one single rental per year to rent half their points. If I dine at a steakhouse one time every year, does that make me a "regular/frequent" visitor there?

It has to be a percentage in addition to a total number, because if I own 75 points and rent them all every year, I’m certainly not under the personal use clause.

 

[tx911]

How would people like it if you entered a randomized queue at 8am everyday for the particular room type that you are wanting to book? That would certainly defeat the bots, but I guess would also eliminate the "first come, first served" aspect.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

If renting half your points yearly doesn't qualify as "regular/frequent" I don't know what those words even mean TBH.

If I've understood posts in this thread, DVC allows renting to the extent to cover dues.

It's a simple issue of math. Generally speaking, that means half of your points. For some, perhaps less and for others more but very close to half. So while it may seem like a lot, half isn't exactly making someone rich. No one is going to buy Club 33 renting half their points. Not even those with 8000 points.

 

[lowlight]

How would people like it if you entered a randomized queue at 8am everyday for the particular room type that you are wanting to book? That would certainly defeat the bots, but I guess would also eliminate the "first come, first served" aspect.

It’s what Ticketmaster uses, but I’m not sure it’s really effective.

 

[tx911]

If I've understood posts in this thread, DVC allows renting to the extent to cover dues.

It's a simple issue of math. Generally speaking, that means half of your points. For some, perhaps less and for others more but very close to half. So while it may seem like a lot, half isn't exactly making someone rich. No one is going to buy Club 33 renting half their points. Not even those with 8000 points.

It seems like if the membership as a whole routinely rented 50% of the their points every year, it would destroy Disney's Deluxe resort hotel business, no?

 

[lowlight]

If I've understood posts in this thread, DVC allows renting to the extent to cover dues.

That’s another one of those “say it so many times it becomes true” things.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

It seems like if the membership as a whole routinely rented 50% of the their points every year, it would destroy Disney's Deluxe resort hotel business, no?

Possibly. Perhaps even probably but rules are created based on typical behaviour patterns, not outliers and extreme scenarios.
IF the Queen has these, she'd have been King. If is the biggest word in the Oxford dictionary.

Airlines overbook, not because seats appear out of magic, but rather due to typical behaviour patterns which have shown some passengers will fail to show or arrive late.

 

[muppets3d]

Possibly. Perhaps even probably but rules are created based on typical behaviour patterns, not outliers and extreme scenarios.
IF the Queen has these, she'd have been King. If is the biggest word in the Oxford dictionary.

Airlines overbook, not because seats appear out of magic, but rather due to typical behaviour patterns which have shown some passengers will fail to show or arrive late.

Jim Bakker showed what happens when a timeshare overbooks.

 

[tx911]

Possibly. Perhaps even probably but rules are created based on typical behaviour patterns, not outliers and extreme scenarios.
IF the Queen has these, she'd have been King. If is the biggest word in the Oxford dictionary.

Airlines overbook, not because seats appear out of magic, but rather due to typical behaviour patterns which have shown some passengers will fail to show or arrive late.

Even so, I can’t imagine Disney formally sanctioning that level of renting, At least not on a recurring annual basis.

 

[disneylandtour]

It seems like if the membership as a whole routinely rented 50% of the their points every year, it would destroy Disney's Deluxe resort hotel business, no?

From fairly regular observations, I'd say it destroys the moderate resort business (Caribbean Beach, Port Orleans, etc). Regular visitors who book moderate, I think, are the most likely to rent points, as the cost difference is mostly a wash. I think most people who are booking deluxe on the Disney website are likely less incentivized to look for ways to shave off a few dollars from their hotel rentals. Whereas those in the moderates are more likely to imagine what is slightly nicer just down the road.

 

[mkatsy]

It’s what Ticketmaster uses, but I’m not sure it’s really effective.

What about moving the 11 month window opening time to 9am on the computer and 8 am on the phone, one transaction per call.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

What about moving the 11 month window opening time to 9am on the computer and 8 am on the phone, one transaction per call.

This is actually a pretty good idea. I mean I’d hate it lol but honestly it would be fair. I can’t think of a true downside aside from it being a bit more of a hassle…well I can think of a slight work around but again, it would be a hassle, wouldn’t guarantee anything and probably not worth it to even the most dedicated commercial renter.

 

[Kingkonig]

This is actually a pretty good idea. I mean I’d hate it lol but honestly it would be fair. I can’t think of a true downside aside from it being a bit more of a hassle…well I can think of a slight work around but again, it would be a hassle, wouldn’t guarantee anything and probably not worth it to even the most dedicated commercial renter.

It would also require Disney to staff up on call center reps, so that won’t happen.

Plus it would increase dues, wouldn’t it? Disney wouldn’t just take it out of their management fee.

 

[Sandisw]

If renting half your points yearly doesn't qualify as "regular/frequent" I don't know what those words even mean TBH.

Well, in the context of the contract that one needs to rent to a level that you are a commercial enterprise, it can fit.

If someon has 500 points and rents one 250 reservation, that is half the points but still only one.

And I think it would be extremely hard for DVC to even attempt to say one rental, even every year is frequent or even regular enough to be considered a business, given one’s right to rent.

Now, you have the maximum of 8000 points and renting 4000? That’s going to be different and why I think the 2008 policy…yes, I’m referring to it again…used number of reservations vs just points..because it did cap those higher point owners from having too many.

Frequently is reservations in the names of others pretty much every month, and is doing that regularly meaning year after year after year.

But, they are required to show a pattern of rentals that can be reasonably concluded that you are doing it as a business and in the past, renting half to cover your dues on all owned, was seen as acceptable because your primary motivation for a owning was still to vacation.

Whether this will still be seen as okay? No idea but my guess is it will be up to a certain point because I think they will look, like they always have, at the number of reservations one has in others names and not how many points were used.