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[Cyberc1978]

It's difficult to be certain, because the Florida law is written with traditional week timeshares and have only some references to point time systems. So it is subject to interpretation until someone challenges it in court.

I am convinced 100% they cannot raise the lockoff premium.
90% they cannot reallocate across units.
60% that they cannot reallocate between studios and 1BR within the same unit.

But, even if legal...
I have not studied all units in all resorts (because I have a life), but I think at most resorts units are made of different number of room types. A reallocation between room types would be possible (if legal) only if all units are declared with the same number of 1BR and studios. And since DVC would probably need to do it across all resorts, saves us from a reallocation.

There is also the opportunity for Disney of doing so. If studios cost more, then the cost of entry in the system is higher. Studios are the most popular because fewer people have the means (or the will to spend them) for 1BR.

Thanks

I know other timeshare developers like HGV, only allows 2 persons in a studio, 4 in a 1br and 6 in a 2br.

If Disney lowered the number of allowed people in a studio to 2 or 3 and upped them to 5 in all 1br then more members would be forced into a 1br. That would also make the studios less attractive to rent unless the renter only needed 1-3 ppl to fit in the room. Would also make the cost of entry higher if you were 2 adults and 2 children.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, members should be careful what they wish for.

Disney does not need to do anything to the rental marked, besides what they have already done. But on top they can lower the number of allowed people in the studios. Going from 4-5 to 2-3. On top they could increase the number of allowed people in 1br to 5 across all 1br.

That would make the studios less attractive for owners to rent but also for renters. Downside is that the 2br would sleep less too.

 

[muppets3d]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, members should be careful what they wish for.

Disney does not need to do anything to the rental marked, besides what they have already done. But on top they can lower the number of allowed people in the studios. Going from 4-5 to 2-3. On top they could increase the number of allowed people in 1br to 5 across all 1br.

That would make the studios less attractive for owners to rent but also for renters. Downside is that the 2br would sleep less too.

Are they going to go through and rip out the murphy beds after they went to great expense to install them in most of the resorts?

 

[Cyberc1978]

Are they going to go through and rip out the murphy beds after they went to great expense to install them in most of the resorts?

Maybe not rip them out, but ensure that they can't be used and going forward they wont be replaced.

 

[muppets3d]

Maybe not rip them out, but ensure that they can't be used and going forward they wont be replaced.

I don't know I feel like that would be a bigger uprising than reallocating point charts.

 

[lowlight]

Or, we could just punish commercial renters. The narrative steering is out of control in these threads.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Or, we could just punish commercial renters. The narrative steering is out of control in these threads.

no the thread is about the T&C and from there we have talked a lot about renting and stopping that to a degree.

stopping renting could be done with lowering the allowed ppl in the studios.

 

[zavandor]

no the thread is about the T&C and from there we have talked a lot about renting and stopping that to a degree.

stopping renting could be done with lowering the allowed ppl in the studios.

Going by memory, I haven't re-checked, but I think the POS has a list of amenities and they say studios sleep 4. They can increase the number (as it's an improvement) but they cannot reduce it, I think.

 

[muppets3d]

Or, we could just punish commercial renters. The narrative steering is out of control in these threads.

This Summer Disney is selling deluxe villas for cash for pretty close to rental prices. That obviously makes the math of buying direct points horrible, but it pretty much kills the rental market if this keeps up for long enough.

 

[Mouseforward]

Or, we could just punish commercial renters. The narrative steering is out of control in these threads.

We thought it’d be fun to talk about things that would actually help availability.

 

[muppets3d]

We thought it’d be fun to talk about things that would actually help availability.

The only way to reduce demand for studios is to make them more expensive. Add points to the studio points charts and take points away from 1 bedroom charts. But people are saying it's not possible. What is certain is the blowback from members from making studios more expensive will be way bigger than renting is right now.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

Maybe not rip them out, but ensure that they can't be used and going forward they wont be replaced.

This has the same net result.

So, for the families of five that book studios, they now have to book a one bedroom and spend more in points? Perhaps they didn't buy a contract with points to cover that. Now they are having to what, buy more? buy OTUP yearly? (if it even bridges the gap) or vacation less?


No, that is a crap idea.

 

[walt34]

The only way to reduce demand for studios is to make them more expensive. Add points to the studio points charts and take points away from 1 bedroom charts. But people are saying it's not possible. What is certain is the blowback from members from making studios more expensive will be way bigger than renting is right now.

1BRs are often double the size of studios - if there is more demand for studios and less demand for 1BRs they shouldn't fiddle with prizes, they should turn some 1BR into 2 studios.

 

[xdan0920]

Or, we could just punish commercial renters. The narrative steering is out of control in these threads.

It has gotten very silly.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

The only way to reduce demand for studios is to make them more expensive.

The ONLY way? So, zero other options?

 

[IMMkXLVI]

1BRs are often double the size of studios - if there is more demand for studios and less demand for 1BRs they shouldn't fiddle with prizes, they should turn some 1BR into 2 studios.

I thought this for a minute but the logistics are probably cost prohibitive. Think of just the plumbing. Never mind the electrical. What about windows? Perhaps some buildings and units are more amenable to this but I doubt it is a viable solution across the board.

 

[muppets3d]

The ONLY way? So, zero other options?

What other options do they have? I'm all ears.

 

[Mouseforward]

The only way to reduce demand for studios is to make them more expensive. Add points to the studio points charts and take points away from 1 bedroom charts. But people are saying it's not possible. What is certain is the blowback from members from making studios more expensive will be way bigger than renting is right now.

Using BW for an example , simply making SV and PV the same points solves the studio availability problem - it was no problem @11 months to get a PV studio this year for 1st week in May one of the most popular weeks. And that was after attempting to get BW view , so I got one slightly after 8.

And they can keep going in the direction of leveling out the seasons point values like they did raising September from 9 to 10.

It is possible, but it would tick off people who feel entitled to SV rooms. I would rather get a room every year for a modest amount of points vs losing out 4 out of 5 years for cheaper points.

 

[Cyberc1978]

This has the same net result.

So, for the families of five that book studios, they now have to book a one bedroom and spend more in points? Perhaps they didn't buy a contract with points to cover that. Now they are having to what, buy more? buy OTUP yearly? (if it even bridges the gap) or vacation less?


No, that is a crap idea.

That’s also why we should be careful what we wish for. DVC might not do what we expect them to do.

 

[Mouseforward]

1BRs are often double the size of studios - if there is more demand for studios and less demand for 1BRs they shouldn't fiddle with prizes, they should turn some 1BR into 2 studios.

In all of the new resorts, they have learned and upped the ratio of studios. It is too late for BW