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[VGCgroupie]

I rented 18pts BWV standard studio in 2024 for $38pp and the broker was STILL able to tack on another $5pp for themselves. $43pp!!! What cost the renter $400/nt and I got around $360/nt for a Mon and Tues in May. FB listings keep the whole thing for themselves.

Should I tag @Mouseforward and ask them to apologize to me?

 

[xdan0920]

There will unfortunately always be those who would rather see it all burn - just because they can't get a club level or value studio at 7 months .

At some point or time I hope they will start to see reality. With only 5 club level studio, it does not matter how much Disney do or don't do these rooms won't be widely available at 7 months.

Again, curbing renting will not “burn it all down”

 

[VGCgroupie]

Again, curbing renting will not “burn it all down”

Yeah I am not sure how this narrative started to happen even though I have read through the thread.

 

[Mouseforward]

Should I tag @Mouseforward and ask them to apologize to me?

There are plenty of people who list things for ridiculous amounts, and plenty of people who laugh at them.

The rental services won’t even let you list that high anymore. They cap it at 20.

All over Facebook there’s plenty of people as in the forum below that are renting points for between 16 and $18 - if someone wants to be stupid enough to pay more that doesn’t change with the going rate is. Anyone who says that they’re going rate is $35 is just being disingenuous.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

I wasn't aware of that mess so thx... but really...What company welcomes internal competition.
Many employee contracts include Non-Compete clauses & other restrictions.
Disney is a company. With rules. It's expected & this discussion is proof of that.

Totally agree

 

[Sandisw]

And I think your case is something DVC shouldn’t have issue with. Clearly you had intention of using the points.

But what if you already had excess points and just kept buying more and more contracts, never increasing your own personal usage? Suspicious enough to take a further look.

And I think that most would say that if the primary use looks to be more about renting or vacations, then it the threshold many of us here hope DVC sets.

But some want DVC to pretty much say that any level or renting unless it’s an emergency means you are in it for commercial reasons.

It’s obviously makes sense it’s in between.

 

[DougEMG]

I'm not sure what it's "worth" as it doesn't cost them a penny more, but its "value" (going after a few "small fries") just reminds everyone that no one is safe, and it keeps people guessing as to what the real lower threshold is.

Again, my point simply was that all the chatter about who is "safe" and how Disney won't go after smaller renters, even if they are renting commercially, solely due to the point volumes, isn't based on any facts and it certainly isn't based on what it would cost Disney, time and resource-wise. That's all.

When I bought my first set of contracts back in 2010-2011 (the plan was to rent enough to pay for MF a common strategy and recommendation at that time) they came with a ton of banked points which I rented out. I wasn't aware of the then current rule of 20 reservations in a 12 month rolling period so I did a lot of small point rentals. I broke that limit and got a letter from DVC. I called them and talked with them about the rules. I've never since been contacted about any problems with my reservations.

My point is that I was a small owner back then and I certainly wasn't a commercial renter. I was a brand new owner looking forward to my first use of my points and being able to stay at a deluxe resort for the first time. Yet I still fell in the net so to speak. I will not be surprised that a lot more people get caught in this then just the "commercial rental companies".

 

[VGCgroupie]

There are plenty of people who list things for ridiculous amounts, and plenty of people who laugh at them.

The rental services won’t even let you list that high anymore. They cap it at 20.

All over Facebook there’s plenty of people as in the forum below that are renting points for between 16 and $18 - if someone wants to be stupid enough to pay more that doesn’t change with the going rate is. Anyone who says that they’re going rate is $35 is just being disingenuous.

Rental companies then tack on $6 to $8 so right there you have $26 and $28 so how does this make your $16-$18 point accurate?

Just because you think those rentals get laughed doesn't mean it doesn't rent for that amount. I see happen every single day.

 

[tx911]

I still every once in a while wonder why the heck I bought DVC anyway. It was my divorce gift to myself---and it was that or a Mustang convertible, and that was too cliche even for me.

I think either will attract a good number of chicks, but the DVC ones are on balance more wholesome.

 

[lowlight]

If it’s a binary choice between keeping things as they are or burning it all down? Burn, baby, burn. But really, I’d just prefer the rules be upheld in the most strict manner imaginable. It won’t even matter to me since I don’t own at the offending resorts anymore, but it’s principle at this point.

In regards to renting- it’s almost always better to spec rent. $30+ a point is easy with the right spec rental. I’ve also paid $13 a point for spec rentals where I’m not really sure the reason it was priced that way, other than maybe they just wanted to cover dues and didn’t care to profit more. The beauty of being a renter is being able to grab last minute reservations that will go into holding for very cheap. Most spec rentals seem to aim for $21 a point, which doesn’t make sense and they should just rent the points straight, except for it possibly being more work.

 

[VGCgroupie]

When I bought my first set of contracts back in 2010-2011 (the plan was to rent enough to pay for MF a common strategy and recommendation at that time) they came with a ton of banked points which I rented out. I wasn't aware of the then current rule of 20 reservations in a 12 month rolling period so I did a lot of small point rentals. I broke that limit and got a letter from DVC. I called them and talked with them about the rules. I've never since been contacted about any problems with my reservations.

My point is that I was a small owner back then and I certainly wasn't a commercial renter. I was a brand new owner looking forward to my first use of my points and being able to stay at a deluxe resort for the first time. Yet I still fell in the net so to speak. I will not be surprised that a lot more people get caught in this then just the "commercial rental companies".

Id expect that you may get another letter. Especially after you click that box attesting it to being a personal use reservation. Just because you are not a "company" doesnt mean you are not a commercial renter.

 

[Sandisw]

I really don't like the ad nauseum scenarios that people get into on discussion forums, we can "what if" this forever.

We can but how do you discuss things if you don’t tease out where people’s line is acceptable vs unacceptable levels of renting?

It’s why DVC didn’t make the rules specific. Because frequent or regular can be as narrow or as broad as DVC wants it to be and I guarantee you that will not be applied the same way to ever owner.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I think either will attract a good number of chicks, but the DVC ones are on balance more wholesome.

I feel like us DVC chicks are feisty!

Especially when told to apologize

 

[Brian Noble]

Yeah I am not sure how this narrative started to happen

Some people have a vested interest in painting any restriction on renting as a terrible thing for all owners. Other people just like to argue and stir the pot. A few people like both.

I think either will attract a good number of chicks, but the DVC ones are on balance more wholesome.

There are many possible replies to that, but I'm going to leave every single one of them on the table. As a mentor often reminds me: "Never pass up the opportunity to shut the f*** up."

 

[AstroBlasters]

I agree with this. I would not have purchased if resale wasnt decent but I did purchase assuming zero value because I am not a gambler. I think that most here in the middle ground but debates get heated and things dont come off the way they should while typing on a forum. If I didnt know you from seeing you around the boards I would think you were okay with commercial renting and I know you are not. You are middle ground, renting is okay for personal use when needed.

It seems that somehow this thread has went people debating all or nothing. I haven't seen DVC take that stance. So I don't know why some people seem to think they have.

Oh, in general I am against commercial renting and ESPECIALLY commercial SPEC renting.

However, my understanding is that the ability to rent out points occasionally is part a deeded real estate time share program and have seen enough real world examples to believe it needs to be preserved.

I also did not buy timeshare points expecting them to do anything but depreciate in value over time, but I think that management making draconian policies that would crash the resale market to $0 would be detrimental to a large percentage of the membership.

I think most people buy it because they love Disney, want to stay in properties they could not justify paying cash for or to stay in larger accommodations, and like the fact that if something in life changes in the future they can get some money back prior to expiration.

 

[Carouselofplanning]

When I bought my first set of contracts back in 2010-2011 (the plan was to rent enough to pay for MF a common strategy and recommendation at that time) they came with a ton of banked points which I rented out. I wasn't aware of the then current rule of 20 reservations in a 12 month rolling period so I did a lot of small point rentals. I broke that limit and got a letter from DVC. I called them and talked with them about the rules. I've never since been contacted about any problems with my reservations.

My point is that I was a small owner back then and I certainly wasn't a commercial renter. I was a brand new owner looking forward to my first use of my points and being able to stay at a deluxe resort for the first time. Yet I still fell in the net so to speak. I will not be surprised that a lot more people get caught in this then just the "commercial rental companies".

This is very interesting to hear, thank you for sharing. I guess the difference I see is that you broke a bright line rule in place at the time. For whatever reason, it’s not so bright this time.

 

[tx911]

There are many possible replies to that, but I'm going to leave every single one of them on the table. As a mentor often reminds me: "Never pass up the opportunity to shut the f*** up."

Lol, I feel attacked right now.

 

[Brian Noble]

Oh, not a at all! It's just that there are so. many. responses.

 

[mfortis]

I said this before and I'll say it again....sharing a bedroom with my kids is not my idea of a vacation. The vast majority of my points have been used for a One Bedroom and larger. I choose 7 nights in a 1B over 14 nights in a studio ALL THE TIME. And there are many other owners who do the same.

I agree, 100%.
But people rent 2 studios, rather than a 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom. In all resorts it cheaper to rent 2 studios instead of a 2 bedroom and in some 2 studios rather than a 1 bedroom.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Has Disney ever taken action against any member for using their account in a commercial manner that you all know of?

No to my knowledge - last year we hard about reservations being cancelled, but we don't know why. could have been unpaid dues, foreclosure basically any number of reasons including commercial renting.

An unusual number of stripped contracts just hit the market from one broker.....

It begins.

Lets not get carried away.

we all know that to sell a contract it can't have any upcoming reservations on it. If a commercial renter wanted to sell he would either need to cancel all reservations or not have made any bookings for a while on those contracts.

I'm just not seeing any of those options as the right ones right now. Could be commercial renters selling, but maybe they had it planned for quite a while.