DVC Response About Ebay Commercial Sellers

[tmt martins]

If DVC really wants to stop the point morphing, why don't they limit transfers only to points from the same home resort (i.e. BCV to BCV, SSR to SSR, etc.) ?

That way multiple transfers/year would be OK. The current solution (one tranfer/year) does not solve availability issues caused by point morphing.

They would also have to limit it to UY as well if some one has some SSR OCT 06 points and transfers them into my June 07 UY points in July they would morph in my June 07 and begood until June 08 instead of Oct 07.

I think this is how the commercial rentees buy all those distressed points and flip them to new ones.

This has to be a SW fix that any points transfered in could come up RED then the Cm at MS could see a note on where and when they came from.

Normal points Green , Borrowed Purple , Banked Blue , Transfered RED.

It would be that simple to do and they would all show up really good on the main screen.

They could even have previous rentals with no members name show RED as well and patterns could be picked up on this as well.

 

[minnie61650]

There was plenty of blame put on the SSR members. If search was not so messed up right now I would find the direct comments. Several people made statements that SSR owners bought in, due to the promotions and extra years and had no intention of staying at SSR but were going to book up weeks at BCV and BW.

There were comments made to threads about booking difficulties that SSR members were to blame due to the fact they were buying at SSR and booking elsewhere.

So yes they did blame the members. I personally think many of the comments, giving SSR a hard time for many reasons was a diversion for some of these Commercial Renters.

Sammie here is a classic quote from mushpurple herself blaming SSR for booking problems. From this thread:

http://disboards.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=14073514

But there are very few people who actually do this. Availability is tight because unless you book 11 months out, everyone who does not own Boardwalk or Beach Club will grab them the second they can. Disney constantly adds more points to the system with their offers and that allows more people to be in the mix so...add Saratoga Springs into the mix and their incentives and availability is much harder.

There is no balance to this system by definition! How do you balance them constantlt adding more points and the ability to borrow, bank and use current. It becomes a question of the person who plans earliest gets what they want.

Renting does not hurt anyone at all. Disney wins, The renter wins and the owners win.

 

[Tony P. IL.]

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=122608,00.html. Unreported income/under reported income? Could be a bigger problem if the government could prove it was a business. I believe there is a reward (a percetage of what they collect) if the court finds on the IRS's side to anyone who gives them the person or persons who do not report income. Could pay for your next Disney trip. I'm not a lawyer and read about this in the newspaper a couple of years ago. Maybe someone (a lawyer) knows if this would apply to any of these alleged commerical renters. I would also like to know if there is a possibilty of a class action suit or something else the members could do if DVC/DVD does nothing to stop this (renting for profit) from happening.

 

[Plutofan]

Since you are suppose to report all your income on your tax return this would apply to all DVC members who rent their points. There are different rules in regards to if you can report a loss and if the rental is a personal residence.

 

[Sammie]

I have always wondered if people who rent points, report the income to the IRS. I mean if you are using paypal, how can you not report it.

I personally would be more concerned about the IRS coming after me for this, than anything DVC could do. I mean they can get very serious even over a small amount of money owed them.

 

[Dean]

Thank you for the clarification. I guess I was confused as I thought it had somehow changed and that people use to be able to have unlimited transfers as long as it was only in one direction.

Actually from 2003 to 2006 it did change. Other than the email, there has been no evidence that it has changed back to the one per in the POS. We're all assuming it will but it remains to be seen. The idea that it has always been 1 in or 1 out is simply wrong.

There was plenty of blame put on the SSR members. If search was not so messed up right now I would find the direct comments. Several people made statements that SSR owners bought in, due to the promotions and extra years and had no intention of staying at SSR but were going to book up weeks at BCV and BW.

There were comments made to threads about booking difficulties that SSR members were to blame due to the fact they were buying at SSR and booking elsewhere.

So yes they did blame the members. I personally think many of the comments, giving SSR a hard time for many reasons was a diversion for some of these Commercial Renters.

Hi Sammie. I've made statements that could be interpreted that way, however I don't believe I ever said it was the member fault and certainly didn't intend to say it way. It's just the way it is right now and I don't really care because I feel members should buy their home resort to use. I don't really see any fault but if there is any, it would be on DVD. If members book in their home resort window, no one can take that away from them. However, the usage of the members who bought more to trade within the system than to use is affecting availability. I believe it's factual that SSR as a group bought more to trade than use, at least compared to BCV, BWV & VWL. And that overall, the 7 month window is getting harder for certain options and certain resorts. The same could be said for certain other resorts as well but SSR is the big change of the last couple of years. NO complaining, just stating what I believe is fact. And no, none of us can prove it either way at this point, we don't have the information from DVC to do so.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I'm just glad that some secret renters are renting out SSR reservations so SSR isn't just sitting there empty.

 

[alexandone]

Renting your points is revenue not income.

Income
= Revenues(rental price) - Expenses (Maintenance fees and interest)

But only on the portion of points you rented

SSR Example 100 points rented @ $10/point
Everything Hypothetical
Revenue (amount points rented for) $1,000.00
Expenses Taxes $(50.00) + Int. $(275.00) Maintenance fees $(600.00)= $(925.00)
Income from the rental $75.00

 

[Plutofan]

Renting your points is revenue not income.

Income
= Revenues(rental price) - Expenses (Maintenance fees and interest)

But only on the portion of points you rented

SSR Example 100 points rented @ $10/point
Everything Hypothetical
Revenue (amount points rented for) $1,000.00
Expenses Taxes $(50.00) + Int. $(275.00) Maintenance fees $(600.00)= $(925.00)
Income from the rental $75.00

Under most circumstances you would need to report in detail the rental income and expenses on page 1 of schedule E on your personal tax return. Under certain situations you may not be able to deduct the loss depending on your situation. You should consult a tax advisor. If you are one of those people that bought points and resold the points a case could be made that they would get reported differently so check with your tax advisor.

 

[Plutofan]

Actually from 2003 to 2006 it did change. Other than the email, there has been no evidence that it has changed back to the one per in the POS. We're all assuming it will but it remains to be seen. The idea that it has always been 1 in or 1 out is simply wrong.

Hi Sammie. I've made statements that could be interpreted that way, however I don't believe I ever said it was the member fault and certainly didn't intend to say it way. It's just the way it is right now and I don't really care because I feel members should buy their home resort to use. I don't really see any fault but if there is any, it would be on DVD. If members book in their home resort window, no one can take that away from them. However, the usage of the members who bought more to trade within the system than to use is affecting availability. I believe it's factual that SSR as a group bought more to trade than use, at least compared to BCV, BWV & VWL. And that overall, the 7 month window is getting harder for certain options and certain resorts. The same could be said for certain other resorts as well but SSR is the big change of the last couple of years. NO complaining, just stating what I believe is fact. And no, none of us can prove it either way at this point, we don't have the information from DVC to do so.

This might help to quantify:

It will get harder and harder to get some resorts at the 7 month window due to the size of SSR. From the information that I could dig up prior to SSR there were approximately 18,921,703 points for all the DVC resorts (excludes Vero since I could not find information on it). Based upon the December 31, 2005 figures I could find for SSR it added at least 7,129,332 points to the over all point total. That is a lot more points that could be going for another resort at the 7 month window.

 

[Dean]

This might help to quantify:

It will get harder and harder to get some resorts at the 7 month window due to the size of SSR. From the information that I could dig up prior to SSR there were approximately 18,921,703 points for all the DVC resorts (excludes Vero since I could not find information on it). Based upon the December 31, 2005 figures I could find for SSR it added at least 7,129,332 points to the over all point total. That is a lot more points that could be going for another resort at the 7 month window.

I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. But the total number of members, units or resorts doesn't matter that much as long as the demand for each resort is equal and the percentage of owners that trade out is equal. It really only becomes an issue when a larger percent of owners want to trade out as want in and vice versa. Here's an example related to this issue. Say a VWL member reserves at Xmas 11 months out and wants to get BCV at the 7 month instead. If they can't get BCV, they keep VWL. There's likely a BCV member who did the opposite and wants VWL. But if neither is available, neither gets to trade and their reserved unit never goes into the cycle. But since you can get certain resorts easily and consistently at the 7 month window, they will generally always be available (with limited exceptions of course). But as a rule, less BCV/BWV/VWL members are wanting to stay at SSR than the reverse. The problem is FAR less at OKW for a number or reasons. HH & VB members certainly play a role, this issue is not unique to SSR, still it has been the largest change of recent years and the numbers overpower the other resorts affects.

 

[jdg345]

They would also have to limit it to UY as well if some one has some SSR OCT 06 points and transfers them into my June 07 UY points in July they would morph in my June 07 and begood until June 08 instead of Oct 07.

I think this is how the commercial rentees buy all those distressed points and flip them to new ones.

This has to be a SW fix that any points transfered in could come up RED then the Cm at MS could see a note on where and when they came from.

Normal points Green , Borrowed Purple , Banked Blue , Transfered RED.

It would be that simple to do and they would all show up really good on the main screen.

They could even have previous rentals with no members name show RED as well and patterns could be picked up on this as well.

They can already tell borrowed and banked points ... I borrowed some points and changed a reservation afterwards and was told that my 'borrowed' points would have to be used this UY. They can tell ... it wouldn't be too tough ... I think points from a different UY should be allowed to be transferred, but they would expire when they expired originally ... and, transferred points can only be used at 7 months unless they are transferred from the same resort. All they'd have to do is create a few more attributes for the 'points' ... they probably already have them, just no process in place to take advantage.

 

[Beca]

There was plenty of blame put on the SSR members. If search was not so messed up right now I would find the direct comments. Several people made statements that SSR owners bought in, due to the promotions and extra years and had no intention of staying at SSR but were going to book up weeks at BCV and BW.

There were comments made to threads about booking difficulties that SSR members were to blame due to the fact they were buying at SSR and booking elsewhere.

So yes they did blame the members. I personally think many of the comments, giving SSR a hard time for many reasons was a diversion for some of these Commercial Renters.

Sammie, truly I do understand what you are saying. I know, and participated in many of those threads that you are referring to. I have certainly done my share of complaining about SSR. However, at no time did EVER blame the people who are buying into SSR. Are there some SSR owners who ADORE the resort so much that they cannot even consider staying anywhere else...absolutely. And, there are some SSR owners who would like to try all resorts, but are happy if they can only get SSR. And then, there are some resort owners who bought just to get into DVC, hoped to stay other places have have been complaining like CRAZY to the DVC guides who told them they could...only to find availability at other resorts very limited (as per my WDW source).

However...I am NOT blaming the members!! I honestly feel that any time someone comes to DVC to purchase a membership, and says to the guide, "I really don't like the resort you are selling now...could I buy at *****", they guide should have to say, "Yes, absolutely...let me get you on the list for some points." How many times have we seen people post that their guide told them they could only buy at SSR?...many, many times.

And, when you have a resort with 828 rooms....even just the percentage of people who bought "because it was what DVC was selling" becomes big enough to be the tipping point of a system that was already at max. capability.

This goes back to my point, that as new resorts are added, DVC will have to make room in the system for these new members. Let's just use VWL as an example....there are 137 rooms. If there are 40,000 DVC members...getting a room there could be difficult. If there are 200,000 members...getting a room there is going to be an amazing feat (unless all new DVC resorts are absolutely AMAZING...and VWL becomes the "dump" that no one wants to stay at). One way to open up availability at VWL to non-owners, is to limit the time and/or ways that owners can book their home resort. Limiting the number of transfers limits the number of points that you can get at your home resort, thus making availability greater for non-owners. Another example of this would be changing the home booking window from 11/7 to 11/9...thus giving two less months for owners to decide on their vacation plans, and opening rooms up for non-owners. I do feel that a reduction in the home resort window is inevitable if DVC continues to add more properties...of any kind, of any size, of any place.

However, I think this struggle is exacerbated by a large resort coming in, when small ones are already in existence. If all the resorts were large, it wouldn't be a problem. But, it does not seem fair....to anyone...to have a 137 rm resort and an 828 rm resort in the same system.

Someone posted earlier that SSR had the worst location. I have to disagree on that. Personally, I find the SSR location and the OKW location to be very similar, except that SSR has the added benefit of DTD. If points and room sizes were the same at the two resorts....I would definitely have to go with SSR over OKW. I think SSR has some great amenities for some people...DTD and the spa. Neither of which are my cup of tea, but I do understand how some people could really love them. However, I don't think those people constitute enough of the population to merit an 828 room resort. The Contemporary...maybe....a DTD location...I don't think so. But, that is just my opinion.

But, in any case....I do not, nor I have ever blamed the members for this. SSR members are just like anyone else...above all, they love the magic of Disney and want to be a part of it. They don't know the quirks of the system before they purchase, and even if they did...they're just like the rest of us....we can do nothing about it!! Remember, I had my contract for SSR in hand, and just couldn't seem to sign it, because it truly wasn't where I wanted to own. That's when I decided to look and see if there were any resales on the market...found this site, and all the resale boards. And, I was so glad I did. Honestly...I would've been one of the SSR members who just purchased to stay elsewhere. So, how can I blame them when I was almost one of them? I blame DVC. I blame my guide for not telling me I could buy resale....and, I blame all guides who do the same. And, I blame DVC for building resorts of such varying sizes (both large and small...I'm not pushing the blame on SSR for this one...maybe VWL and BCV should be expanded) that their system becomes a fight for ressies. But, I do not blame the SSR owners...we are all one in the same.



Beca

 

[keys2kingdom]

Who says DVC isn't an investment

Just this one group of "non-commercial" sellers exposed has almost 18,000 points according to the deed records and this does not include family members and maiden names that are harder to trace:

Points Resort
2,470 Beach Club Villas Total
6,562 Boardwalk Total
7,592 Old Key West Total
160 Saratoga Springs Total
200 Vero Beach Total
930 Wilderness Lodge Total
17,914 Grand Total

They started buying and renting on Ebay in 2001. I am sure they have a good profit as their points average in the 70's.

I am sure that they are not the only ones. Several others can be seen on Ebay and elsewhere.

Interesting to see how all this works out.

WOW!!!! Thanks for adding these up, I was too lazy to do it. Shocking isn't it?

It appears Arlene, Michelle and fam are quite the operation!

 

[Sammie]

Beca, at no time in this thread did I say specifically you blamed SSR owners for booking problems at other resorts. I said others have, and they did. Many times when discussions were had over booking problems, SSR members were blamed for buying into the system with the intent to stay elsewhere specifically BCV, VWL and BW.

This thread is just one example.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1069339

 

[LIFERBABE]

If you look at the point totals tallyed by PrincessDadX2, you will see that out of 18,000 points owned, only 160 were SSR points. Doesnt look like this person needed to 'morph' points for BCV or BWV as they had plenty and you can make a whole heap of 5 day ressies at 60 points a pop with 2 and 3 thousand points.

And I agree with Sammie, there was plenty of blame placed on SSR owners for taking away ressies from the smaller resort owners. At 11 months NO LESS!

I am on these boards several times a day, even when at Disney, Im on these boards (I know its sad) and there was great instigation and lashing out at SSR and its members for taking away coveted ressies at the smaller DVC's.
SSR is not even fully operational nor are all its points in the system

What else has changed in the last 3 years, the resort prices and the promotion of renting DVC points (by guidebooks, budget sites, etc) as a way to save money on a WDW vacation.

Here you have a BCV Corporation, with over 2,000 BCV points and a loophole the size of a New Orleans levee break, but SSR is to blame for throwing the system out of balance?
And I know the truth on this one, but do not feel the need to expand on that.

And there was/is alot of shilling going on here that made SSR and its members the scapegoats to cover up for the loss of availability. And then when 1 can't get a ressie at the smaller resorts, because they are all rented out, they get that Buy Where You Want To Stay line, that is just a cover for all the shill renting going on.

And I do and have rented points to cruise on DCL so I am not anti renting or anti aging .

And just because others like to walk to a park, it is not a priority for all or even many. The majority of WDW resorts and rooms do not afford that
"luxury" and they are not shuttered up and empty. There is a thread right now on the resort board that is discussing the disadvantages of walking thru Epcot's IG for opening as opposed to arriving at the front gate at opening. IG entrants are arriving at Soarin after the front gate crowd has already entered the pavilion.

You know the old saying, look in your own backyard, before trying to clean up someone else's.

Where is that kneedeep smiley?

 

[Beca]

Beca, at no time in this thread did I say specifically you blamed SSR owners for booking problems at other resorts. I said others have, and they did. Many times when discussions were had over booking problems, SSR members were blamed for buying into the system with the intent to stay elsewhere specifically BCV, VWL and BW.

This thread is just one example.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1069339

Actually, Sammie...I didn't think you did. Sorry if it seemed that way. I was really just trying to explain my point of view.

 

[Beca]

And I I am on these boards several times a day, even when at Disney, Im on these boards (I know its sad) and there was great instigation and lashing out at SSR and its members for taking away coveted ressies at the smaller DVC's.

Okay, this is where we are going to have to disagree....and, where I think the MAJOR disagreement among owners is. People say, "A lot of SSR owners are entering the system, booking other places, and resorts are getting harder to book inside the 7 month window." IMHO....that is NOT bashing!!! And, it is not blaming SSR owners, it is a complaint about how the system is set up. I don't think anyone can argue that since SSR has been selling, a LOT of new members have entered the system, and whenever anyone does a poll here on the dis regarding this issue...SSR owners overwhelmingly say they are wanting to "try" all resorts. I have seen many posts where SSR owners say, "We were going to stay at SSR, but figured we could stay there anytime...so, we decided to try for XXX if it is available." What happens next? Joe DVC calls MS at 6 months out (like he has always done in the past) to reserve his VWL, only to find it is full....for the first time ever. Seriously, renters have been around for a LONG time....SSR is new...so, it is probable that SSR has "tipped the scales" of balance. Also, SSR is selling in phase 3 now. That means that a resort the size of OKW has already been sold. That would be TWO BCV's, or three VWL's. Anyway you slice it....that is a lot of new people added to the system who want to "try all the resorts." To say that, if one says, "The addition of all the new members has made it harder for me to book a smaller resort inside the 7 month window is wrong"....IS WRONG! When people say this, they are not "bashing" SSR or its owners, they are expressing something they really believe.

And, maybe I wrong on this...I have always known "bashing" to be saying something in an exaggerated or untruthful, for the purpose of making something look bad. Like saying a girl is "friendly with the boys" when she actually is not... . I do not think if someone says BCV hallways look worn, housekeeping is terrible, and there is trash all over the hallways...that they are bashing BCV....I believed they actually perceived it that way, and they have every right to post that. If someone said, "The theming of SSR is so bad...it smells like horse manure." Well yes...that would be bashing. It's obviously NOT true, and is just stated to make SSR look bad. So....we come to the "apartment complex" comment. One person posted that here as an HONEST opinion. To them, SSR reminded them of an apartment complex....I don't think that was bashing. Then, another poster took it and kept repeating it...okay, THAT was bashing (but, that poster WANTED people to get mad, and he got banned for those comments). I do think paraphrasing someone else's statement to make them look bad is bashing them, as is name calling.

So...I know I am going to get flamed for this, but sometimes...I just have to post what I feel is honest. Here's some excerpts from pages 1-4 (I got tired after that) of the thread Sammie linked to above. Note: A few disclaimers...I really tried to be fair on this one...I was looking for "bashing" and "blaming" on both sides. Also, I think some of the REAL bashing got removed as posters got banned. But, here's some of the things I read.

What other resort owners said about SSR:

1) "I told the castmember it must be all the SSR people booking at the 7month window, and she gave me some BS about how it's the F&W Festival, yada yada yada. Yea, I know, but this is the first time in five years that I've had a problem booking VWL or BCV at the 7month window. Oh well, live and learn."

(this was post #1, and the only “negative” thing about SSR I could see thru post #4, where a mod responded, “SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.”)


2) Then, an SSR “defender” said, to the OP: “Wow! What will all the VWL and BCV owner's do now their resort is full in October? Surely not book into SSR and take away booking opportunities for SSR owners. No, surely not!
Well, I guess if they would sink that low, Halloween is in October, maybe they could wear a costume and mask so no one will recognize them as they go slumming”. (Implying that other owners called SSR a "slum"...I couldn't find it anywhere in the thread.)

To which, the OP responded: “Gee, I guess I should feel honored that your first post after joining in May 2004 is in response to my thread. No one feels staying at SSR is slumming. You people take things too personally. It is a matter of preference and taste. I personally do not like the BWV, just stayed there a few weeks ago, and am staying again the first week of June and am trying to switch resorts for that one. I will just have to be disciplined enough to book my reservation at the 11 month window when I want to stay at VWL or BCV. I know I'll have no problem booking SSR at 7 months, so I don't have to worry about that one.” (Yep, her own little "dig" there)


What SSR owners said about/to other owners:

1) “Personally I would never stay at BW or BC to many snobs...”

To which, a BWV owner responded, “Hey!!!!!!!!! Be nice now.... It's not nice to make hasty generalizations. I don't think I'm a snob at all. I can't tell you how hard I have to work to pay for my tiny 180 pts. at the BW (something I've wanted for years but couldn't afford it (and yes, I wish I had enough $$$ to have bought a few more points).AND the reason why I chose to pay more to be where I wanted to be is because I fell in love with the BW area and I never cared for the DTD/PI area.) I don't think that would make me a snob. As long as I can book in my 11 mo period, I don't care whether you come in to BW or not. If I don't book on time, so what, I get to stay at SSR, OKW etc.... what a hardship to leave the NE to come down to Florida and have to stay at another resort (even though I'd prefer my own).” (A SSR owner called BWV and BCV owners snobs, and still received a kind response...this is the only response to this comment that I saw on the pages I read).



2) "My cousin wants to stay at BC on our next trip –they have their own points, for the first time we all decided to go as a family—I refuse to stay there for the simple reason as to I witnessed first hand how some of the people who stay there treat the CM and it is sad as the resort has a lot to offer but I would rather be in remote part of SSR or OKW then see someone bash a CM because there exact wants were not met…." (The implication I got from this is that some people who stay at BCV treat CM's badly when their requests are not met, and all people who stay at SSR do not...personally, I think the types of people who would give a CM grief probably exist at all resorts. )

3) My guess is that as people are being "forced" to stay in the evil SSR they will see that is a good place to stay and that it will become a desired place to stay
(Note: No non-SSR owner had used the words "Evil SSR"...unless it was in a deleted post.)

4) ITA. Since when has someones POOR planning on their part become SSR DVC owners fault! Actually, I have had enough. Some of these people are acting like 2 year olds in full blown temper tantrums.

So, from looking at these posts, I can see someone saying that people who stay at BWV and BCV are "snobs" who treat CM's badly, fee they are "slumming" when they have to stay at SSR, and act like 2yr olds when they don't get their way. I really tried to find an example of someone calling an SSR owner names, or attacking them personally....but, I couldn't find a single reference (except a "rolling eyes" emoticon). I am not saying SSR bashing has never gone on....but, the phrase "Pot, your kettle is calling!" keeps popping in my brain.


I guess the other part of the argument that I am not understanding is this. The people who feel SSR owners are being "blamed" are the same people who are more than willing to give all the blame to the "commercial renters". Yes, 18,000 points is a lot of points for one person to have. But, if the average person owns 200 points...that is equivalent to 90 members. I am willing to bet that if you added up the points owned by ALL commercial renters, the number of points is STILL very small when compared to the number of points owned by SSR members. Imagine how many points DVC must sell EVERY SINGLE day??!!!

And, if people like SSR as much as so many owners on here do....who's to say those renters are not taking BCV/VWL/BWV points and "morphing" them into SSR points? I am willing to bet that, if rentals on ebay had been analyzed a month ago, we would've seen just as many SSR rentals as anything else. The same people who are saying the availability problems of DVC are NOT caused by SSR, seem to be implying that "commercial renters" are not booking at SSR in the same quantity as they are booking at the other resorts. I don't understand. I actually think most commercial renters are probably "pre-booking" high demand dates at ALL resorts. The smaller resorts will certainly be affected by this more than the larger ones, but...as I stated earlier...in the past, people have still been able to get their home resort closer to their date of arrival than the currently can. If renters have been around for years (at least 3), and members are experiencing difficulty for the first time this year....couldn't it be that adding so many members to the system could be partially responsible for this? And, if so....why is saying so blaming members? I think it would be blaming DVC.

I know I have left a lot of posts out of that thread, and I didn't read the whole thing...so, I could be missing some stuff. I really recommend anyone interested to go read a few pages, and see what your take is.

Stating facts, opinions, and making conjectures on these boards is something we do ALL THE TIME....it's what these boards are made of. Positives and negatives of EACH resort get posted frequently. And, everyone is entitled to post their impressions of a resort (including how that resort might be affecting the system as a whole)...and, they don't deserve to be called "bashers" or "blamers" for posting such opinions.

But, then again.....that's just my opinion....take it for what it is worth.

Sorry for being so long (again!!!!)



Beca

 

[Longhairbear]

We had a problem booking VWL ,our home base one year. It was 1 to 3 months(can't remember) before our check in date. I naturally thought it was my fault, and still do. I was too late. SSR was available, and we jumped at the chance to stay there, to see the 'new' place. While at the pool there we chatted up a family that was renting to see if they liked it before buying. I assumed they rented from Disney, as I never thought anyone would, or could commercially rent a villa.
Our stay at SSR inspired us to try all the resorts, and have since stayed at OKW. It will take us 2 more years to visit all the WDW DVC resorts. We make 2 trips a year, and one is always at our home base at VWL, always booked at 11 months. The other trip at any other resort we can get into that fits into our point budget.
As we travel during popular dates, Food & wine, and Flower/garden/gaydays, we hope all the units and resorts free up a bit because of transfer enforcement, and the members of this board who are helping to oust commercial renters buying up the good dates.

 

[LIFERBABE]

I used the term lashing not bashing. And this time, we will have to disagree.

Our commercial renter friend does not own over 2k BCV points so she can rent out at SSR. Another 2K at BWV to again rent out at SSR. Many of those contracts were purchased via resale so not like the choices were not there. Anyone (or group of someones) that can maintain over 18k points and run a business in over 2 locations did not end up with those point totals accidentally. That was by design.

I own BCV too, and it was always my intent to try all the DVC's and still is. BECAUSE I CAN! I subsequently added on the ones I tried, because I really liked them all.

And if it is ok for people to post their impressions then why is not ok for me to post my impression? My impression is that many of these people were shill renting on the DIS and then LASHING out and BLAMING SSR and its members for the lack of availability, To throw us off their scent. (There's no stinky scent smiley either!)