DVC Response About Ebay Commercial Sellers

[CarolMN]

You know what might be nice is for DVC to accept special requests for member to transfer more than once a year. The member would have to be staying with the large group in at least one of the villas and all villas would have to be for the same dates. If the member did not show up to stay in the villa, the member could be back charged rack rate for the villas that they had reserved. Or after they transferred the points into their account, they did not use them for a single stay (multiple villas), the points would be cancelled. Or if the names got changed to non-member (other than family members), the points would be cancelled.

I bet there would be all sorts of problems, but it might get around the concerns some members have with the one transfer in or out a year when they want to do a one time or infrequent large family event.

Respectfully, I think it would be administrative nightmare to implement the tracking you suggest.

I don't feel all that bad for the members who are trying to do big family reunions with their points via transfers. If they can't get enough points via one transfer, they can still rent reservations from other members for that one time event.

I understand that most would prefer to have control over the points, but I don't think Disney or DVC should get into the business of deciding who is "worthy" of getting an exception or what "purpose" for transferring is OK. That is just a recipe for constant arguments and policy challenges.

If I were the decision maker, I would allow unlimited transfers (either direction) between contracts that had the same home resort and same use year.

Best wishes -

 

[mikey1]

I live in the UK and very nearly booked through SMW on Ebay. It's only because I noticed this board that I realised I could do it a bit cheaper by advertising for a reservation here. After reading the whole of this thread, I realise that empathic as I am, to some posters I might be unpopular as an "outsider" (non DVC Member) trying to book accommodation for part of our family holiday, but I am left wondering now, is it better for me to go with the offers I've had from sellers with experience (in it for the money) or sellers of little evident experience (honestly have some free points to use up)?

 

[diznyfanatic]

It's hard to say how big a factor point morphing is since only Disney knows how widespread the problem is. It is going on and it does contribute to the booking problems, especially when the people doing it are prebooking primetime reservations at the smaller resorts.

It's possible that by allowing only one transfer per use year, Disney can more easily track the home resort of transferred points and reduce the morphing problem. I would prefer to see them fix the problem properly rather than restrict honest DVC members from making the sort of transfers they occasionally need to do.

Yes that is the problem. Some posters have stated that there is some sort of notation made in the account of the person receiving the points, but if MS doesn't notice this there is nothing in the system to prevent those points being used at the 11-month window.

Bolding mine. Thank you for the explanation.

You know, for a company the size of Disney, and for a company that is a major player in state of the art technology, and has access to the best of the best computer programmers in the world at their disposal, I have trouble understanding why their DVC computer systems appear to be so woefully inadequate and behind the times that this issue, among others, would pose such an apparent challenge to remedy.

 

[waltfan1957]

Until I started reading these threads, I didn't understand it either. It didn't make sense to me that points could be transferred and then magicly become points in another resort. Now I understand how it works and I think it's really very wrong. I hope people keep reporting commercial renters to DVC and that they do something about it. Something must have changed if they are concerned about it now and I think that's a good thing! I really hope DVC puts these people out of business.

I hope they do something as well but I am really dissapointed with Disney the fact that they have allowed it to get to this state is quite disturbing they must have been aware for some time now, but it seems only now it is hitting them in the pocket they are interested but have done nothing while DVC members have been unable to get the dates they want, we have been lucky so far and have always got what we wanted

 

[cslittle999]

Bolding mine. Thank you for the explanation.

You know, for a company the size of Disney, and for a company that is a major player in state of the art technology, and has access to the best of the best computer programmers in the world at their disposal, I have trouble understanding why their DVC computer systems appear to be so woefully inadequate and behind the times that this issue, among others, would pose such an apparent challenge to remedy.

I'm not all that surprised. Where I work (an educational software development company) there are two totally different groups that write software. One for internal use and the other for what we sell. One guess on which group has access to new technology and the best people. There is also this strange idea that it is okay for internal software to be less than the best. We use some truly hideous programs for our internal systems. Bad UI, awkward workflow, ...

 

[digitaltim]

I'm not all that surprised. Where I work (an educational software development company) there are two totally different groups that write software. One for internal use and the other for what we sell. One guess on which group has access to new technology and the best people. There is also this strange idea that it is okay for internal software to be less than the best. We use some truly hideous programs for our internal systems. Bad UI, awkward workflow, ...

I agree. Since there is no "profit" for internal software development, the bare minimum is invested in company software. It's not right, but I see it happen alot where I work.

 

[keys2kingdom]

This joker even links back to the DIS for his point chart!! Nice!!

I'm also digging the sidebar section to "Sell Points". Lovely.

Sounds like "David" needs a swift kick in the pants.

Hey all, check this out! This dude must be a DISer too! Check out how he references Caskbill's Site in his "Step 1" instructions. http://www.dvcrequest.com/rental_process.htm

 

[Chuck S]

I'm going to ask that you all please not speculate on who may own the many rental sites on the web. If you make accusations in the forums, and are wrong, it could lead to nasty PMs and emails to those falsely accused. It could also be considered a personal attack, and violating the DIS guidelines.

 

[minnie61650]

My goodness! I promise I will NEVER post anything like this again and I may NEVER lurk here ever again! I'm deleting the Dis from my favorites on all my computers immediately. I'm installing a virus on all my computers which will cause the hard drives to explode. I now also request that someone come over and tar and feather me. I have already called the police on myself and they assured me that they will give me 25 years in jail for the post. Can someone come over and kick my dog while we are at it? Any other punishment someone might want to inflict or is all this punishment enough?

Mushpurple,

You may be right. I don't know. I'm only relaying what the manager told me. Did the manager lie? I don't know. Is the manager uninformed? I don't know. In any event, if DVC does stuff about this, for me, I think it is a good idea to stop the commerical renters ONLY, not people who rent a few times a year which would be silly.

Here is the link on the one that was removed or canceled or hacked into by somone or maybe I hacked into ebay myself and did it, right or maybe I created the link and it really installs a virus on your computer? Again, I don't know with 110% certainty that it was removed because of my complaint, I can only relay what I know which I already did: http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Vacation-Boardwalk-Timeshare-Rental_

In the meantime, try decaf as I suggested.

I am sad.
I think Jay has left the DIS for good.
He is not accepting emails and I did try to PM him asking him not to leave and letting him know sometimes on threads like these members feelings get hurt.

I will keep hoping sometime soon he will log on and see my PM.

It is sad when nice people leave the DIS because others attack them.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Wow Jay, this is quite the thread, over 10,000 hits in 4 days!

Love him or hate him that Jay knows how to start a thread!

 

[Scraper]

I am a new DVC memeber. When I bought into SSR I was aware that I liked some other places better. I was also aware that our vacation time is very flexable. Since I would not be booking at peek times I decided to buy into SSR and take my chances at being able to book BWV,and BCV at least once a year.I have already booked two at BCV. However if we had not been flexable we would have purchased where we wanted to stay. It was made quite clear to us that if we did not want to use our points we could bank them or give them away or sell them to whoever we wanted. They were our points to do as we wanted. Some how after reading this thread I feel that others think I don't have this right. Now I don't have enough points to sell but if I had plenty of money buying extra points to use or sell does not seem wrong. A t least that is how the sales rep put it to us.

 

[tmt martins]

I am a new DVC memeber. When I bought into SSR I was aware that I liked some other places better. I was also aware that our vacation time is very flexable. Since I would not be booking at peek times I decided to buy into SSR and take my chances at being able to book BWV,and BCV at least once a year.I have already booked two at BCV. However if we had not been flexable we would have purchased where we wanted to stay. It was made quite clear to us that if we did not want to use our points we could bank them or give them away or sell them to whoever we wanted. They were our points to do as we wanted. Some how after reading this thread I feel that others think I don't have this right. Now I don't have enough points to sell but if I had plenty of money buying extra points to use or sell does not seem wrong. A t least that is how the sales rep put it to us.

No you can do with your points what you want .( well only one transfer per UY)

As long as it's not a commercial enterpise why doing it.


This is what this thread is about people coming and asking for cheap and distressed points.Transfering them and making them all new and booking a desired time to sell for a big profit.

Some if before they removed the user search ( I know this is not the reason ) you could see a pattern of them asking for cheap points (under $9 )only to come right back and offer more points at a higher rate ( $ 12 ).

I also have no problem on what you charge for your points thats your business. But when you decieve people for profit it's breaking the rules ,When you pump up your own or friends web-sights to gain business thats against the rules as well .

The entire problem is that it will turn every thread into SPAM if it's allowed and the board would become useless.Thats why they have the rules in the first place.

 

[Scraper]

Wow that would be pretty low hitting people up for low cost points then reselling. I would think that would be hard for Disney to control. Well I am glad I read this post won't be selling my points to people who plan to resale. Well I won't be selling mine anyway I plan on using them.

 

[Beca]

One last thing...When I rented a home from this person...it had nothing to do with Ebay...I had no idea that they were on Ebay. I got it from a web site called Florida Disney Homes and they gave me that web site. The people that I dealt with were Dan & Donna Lyne. Now that I look yes, that is the same person...it is a lot cheaper on Disney than I paid for it (which bothers me and makes me wonder if that was the case wqhen I rented).

I never even heard of morphing points until this web site.

Maybe you all think that you made some catch, but you are wrong. Not that you would believe me, but you are wrong. I just do not care and will not bother anymore.

I have a question for you. Why would you need to rent a vacation home off of a vacation website, when your cell phone is an Orlando area code?

Here's your post from 3-7-06

I can only pay $9, but I am ready to pay immediately! Please feel free to call me at 407-XXX-XXXX.

We were going to be a smaller group, but not we are a larger one.

Please email me a mushpurple1@yahoo.com.

Thanks so much!

Here's the link: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1050039

PS...I changed your phone number to XXX's so people wouldn't call you incessantly.

I'm not understanding why your cell phone area code would be in a city where you need to rent property, instead of where you live?

 

[rigsby25]

I can understand why everyone is upset with mushpurple, but what did Jay do that was upsetting? As long as I have been reading these boards, I don't think I've ever seen someone being asked to prove himself or his sources.

 

[minnie61650]

I can understand why everyone is upset with mushpurple, but what did Jay do that was upsetting? As long as I have been reading these boards, I don't think I've ever seen someone being asked to prove himself or his sources.

I agree.
Jay had a very valid concern and I for one am glad I saw this thread.
As a potential DVC owner this thread has helped me understand why DVC'ers are having problems booking their DVC's.

 

[tmt martins]

I can understand why everyone is upset with mushpurple, but what did Jay do that was upsetting? As long as I have been reading these boards, I don't think I've ever seen someone being asked to prove himself or his sources.

He was calling out the rentees and they are the ones that started to bash him.

Then you have the ones that this is a real hot topic so they want details so they can call and follow-up.

The bottom line is everyone on the DIS is not in it for the Magic.

 

[3DisneyKids]

I live in the UK and very nearly booked through SMW on Ebay. It's only because I noticed this board that I realised I could do it a bit cheaper by advertising for a reservation here. After reading the whole of this thread, I realise that empathic as I am, to some posters I might be unpopular as an "outsider" (non DVC Member) trying to book accommodation for part of our family holiday, but I am left wondering now, is it better for me to go with the offers I've had from sellers with experience (in it for the money) or sellers of little evident experience (honestly have some free points to use up)?

I have rented both from a commercial renter (smw) and a "regular" DISer who couldn't use her points for that particular year. Both arrangements went off without a hitch. I would recommend going with what saves you the most money as well as actually helps someone out. It is enough of a bummer for a member not to be able to use his/her points...but then for that person not to be able to even rent those points b/c someone else is in it for profit is truly upsetting.

You are correct to be investigating this and asking these types of questions, as renting really does require a good deal of trust, etc. There are several rental contracts here on the DIS that you can look into as well, and that might make you feel better about renting from the "small timer". However, I do not think you will get hurt by renting from someone on the DIS. For the most part, the DVC'ers who are on the DIS are *really* into DVC, know all the ins and outs, and just plain love Disney and DVC.

Whichever way you choose, good luck and enjoy your vacation!

 

[minnie61650]

I think I am going to be sick!
I was reading over some of mushpurple old posts and I came across this thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?p=12235290#post12235290

Wow. Thanks for all the responses. Interesting.

I am a pretty good judge of character and the lady I am renting from truly appears to be on the up and up. I found the deal on ebay - she has a great description of the process, is easily accessible (I've talked to her several times on the phone), isn't pushy at all and has **fantastic** feedback. She also has three kids and says this has never been an issue for her.

Yet the consensus on this board is that 5 in a studio is absolutely not allowed. I wonder why she has a different take on that? This is a quote directly from just one of her many auction descriptions:


"How many people does the room sleep?

Official capacity is four adults plus one child under three in a portable crib (included with the room). Disney will not provide a rollaway.

However, Disney's unofficial policy is that they will allow an additional guest in the room, provided you supply your own sleeping accommodations (such as a sleeping bag or inflatable mattress) and your own extra towels."

Her FAQ is very comprehensive. If you wish to read it, you can go to ebay and then search for this item description # 6618784300 (I can't post url's here so....)

Oh well. Guess it was too good to be true.

Thanks everyone!

And, oh, where would I go around here to find DVC members willing to rent? We're looking for a a sunday - thursday (5 nights) - arriving on May 21st or arriving May 28th.....

(Edited to ask question about renting from other members)

When I looked up the ebay item the seller was smw who we "think" is AKA mushpurple.

Here are a couple of responses to jeanne 17.

post #1097

I have done it with 5 people with more one child over 3. many times in studios and one bedroom size units and only a few weeks ago. I have been to Disney many times and they have NEVER asked me for the children's room keys and in fact we never even take them with us.

The unofficial policy DOES NOT change between a one bedroom and a studio. Officially and unofficially does not change between a studio and a one bedroom. They both accomodate 4 and a child under 3.

Before you all throw me to the fire for adding a person. The 2 bedroom is just out of my budget.

I would go for the studio (there are no studios of any kind available for this date) and there are hardly any one bedrooms except at Saratoga Springs and even that is very limited.

Do you trust the other person that you found on the Ebay auction? If yes, you might want to go for it.

post 1099

They never ask for more than the adults room keys. They are just looking to make sure that the party is entitled to early admission. Many people do this every single day in regular reservation and DVC.

She was telling the renter to break the rules just so she could make a sale.

What if jeanne17 had not posted asking what the rules were?
She could have made a serious mistake smw was telling her it was OK to have 5 over age 3 in a studio and mushpurple was telling her the same thing.

jeanne 17 thought they were 2 different people!

How often did she encourage others to bend/break the rules just to make a sale?

She even slams rent/trade people on the DIS with this quote from the same thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?p=12249093#post12249093
post #1102

I doubt she said that all the people on here are scam artists....it is true that there are some people who do not meet there commitments on here. It is buyer beware! I have been cheated renting points from people on here twice and there was nothing I could do.

Once is was intentional and the other time....the person could not afford the maint. fees and Disney cancelled all of the reservations. She gave me the money back, but I didn't want that...I wanted the room. I had to pay a lot more cash to replace the room.

As for the 50 points, I just checked for you. There are no studios available at Old Key West or Saratoga Springs or anywhere else for your dates. As for one bedroom units (which has the same number of people restriction)...why would that be any different in relation to your concern? There are one bedroom and 2 bedrooms at Saratoga Springs and nothing ar Old Key West in any size.

I hope that helps...

 

[minnie61650]

Sorry,
You will no longer see this quote in its entirety,

I doubt she said that all the people on here are scam artists....it is true that there are some people who do not meet there commitments on here. It is buyer beware! I have been cheated renting points from people on here twice and there was nothing I could do.

Once is was intentional and the other time....the person could not afford the maint. fees and Disney cancelled all of the reservations. She gave me the money back, but I didn't want that...I wanted the room. I had to pay a lot more cash to replace the room.

As for the 50 points, I just checked for you. There are no studios available at Old Key West or Saratoga Springs or anywhere else for your dates. As for one bedroom units (which has the same number of people restriction)...why would that be any different in relation to your concern? There are one bedroom and 2 bedrooms at Saratoga Springs and nothing ar Old Key West in any size.

I hope that helps...

She just edited it at 8:30 this morning.
I can no longer prove the full quote, but it was there.

It seems she has been very busy editing her past posts.
Thankfully the Mods did close a couple of the threads that were posted on this thread earlier.