DVC resale changes coming!?!

[Mickey'sApprentice]

I do not like all of these postings about riff raff.

Riff raff is a relative term according to how much of something someone has and the criteria they use.

To my family and hometown and I'm the local girl who done good. The criteria is whether you left the small town and got an education. I did. To my Sunday school class...the criteria is whether or not you can still fit into your size 2 prom dress after having kids. To them...I'm riff raff.

If we are talking about how much someone paid for their DVC points...I'm definitely riff raff. I have 100 Boardwalk points bought RESALE.

I may just have to bank and borrow and stay a few nights at the Grand Floridian. Please have your smelling salts ready.

 

[CarolMN]

It's not polite to call someone riff raff! And believe me, I'm not justifying anything to anyone, not In this lifetime! Simply stating a fact. When one thinks of riff raff timeshare owners they generally think of someone who bought a $1500 timeshare in a remodeled 70's motel on Daytona beach. Not dvc owners. Resale, direct or otherwise.

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Please - no more conversation about riff raff. Thank you!

 

[DebbieB]

There is a post on this very thread - someone complaining that people who bought resale at a lesser price can get the same room at BLT as a person with a direct buy BLT contract.

There's another side to that. BWV has the highest dues onsite at WDW, BLT has the lowest. So others who are paying less dues that me can use their points there. So a BLT member can stay at BWV using their $4.49 points while I am paying $5.84 (2013) for the same room. I'm staying at BLT in March, so it's costing me more in dues than a BLT member. I'm not complaining, just saying. There's alot of ways to look at the numbers.

 

[OneMoreTry]

bighoo93-
It doesn't take long reading these boards to realize that a fair number of people who have purchased direct or purchased more expensive home resort points deeply resent what they view as lesser folk and assorted riff raff who bought resale points at less expensive resorts can stay at their resort despite paying less.

It's like getting a plane ticket for $250 and the guy sitting next to you paid $500. he can think whatever he wants but you're sitting next to him on the plane.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

It's like getting a plane ticket for $250 and the guy sitting next to you paid $500. he can think whatever he wants but you're sitting next to him on the plane.

The other way to think about it is more occupied rooms might keep the dues down, The attractions more up to date and basically thats just life of anything you buy it depreciates. Also If I bought in 2008 at 99 dollars and they are now 60 dollars resale I have still had x number of vacations. I buy direct but am not bothered what op does. Resale, direct welcome one welcome all. Glad there is something to suit everybody and their needs and circumstances. May you enjoy your disney vacations as much as we do.

 

[Dean]

The other way to think about it is more occupied rooms might keep the dues down, The attractions more up to date and basically thats just life of anything you buy it depreciates. Also If I bought in 2008 at 99 dollars and they are now 60 dollars resale I have still had x number of vacations. I buy direct but am not bothered what op does. Resale, direct welcome one welcome all. Glad there is something to suit everybody and their needs and circumstances. May you enjoy your disney vacations as much as we do.

The level of occupancy doesn't affect dues. The level of maint fee collection does and the breakage inventory does up to a point (2.5%). Every room could go empty the entire year and the dues would be neutral or reduced as long as the same % of people paid their dues.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

The level of occupancy doesn't affect dues. The level of maint fee collection does and the breakage inventory does up to a point (2.5%). Every room could go empty the entire year and the dues would be neutral or reduced as long as the same % of people paid their dues.

I see thanks well I guess if selling the points resale increases the chance of people paying their dues then that has to be better imo.

 

[Dean]

I see thanks well I guess if selling the points resale increases the chance of people paying their dues then that has to be better imo.

If it made a difference I would agree, for DVC it doesn't. If one falls far behind DVC takes them over and DVD sells them again. I doubt anyone knows how they get from DVCMC to DVD and what DVCMC (members) get out of it other than a paying member. Certainly for resorts where the dues collection is an issue (usually poor resorts, seasonal resorts or resorts that have dues too high) this can be a significant problem.

 

[BestDadEver]

Are they actually doing this . I cant read all 18 pages

 

[tjkraz]

Are they actually doing this . I cant read all 18 pages

At this point in time, it's just another unsubstantiated rumor. One of many over the years which did not pan out.

 

[Dean]

Are they actually doing this . I cant read all 18 pages

As noted, just rumors for discussion. I don't believe they can legally block resale buyers from other CURRENT resorts and I doubt they'll escalate ROFR much, the 2 issues in the OP. You can bet there will be changes in this area over time but almost certainly not in either of the areas in the OP.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

maybe i missed it, but i never read where one poster called
another a name or made an indirect neg. reference. so i am
guessing it was the way one felt. the thing about feelings,
they come with many meanings & cover a range of
passions. also they don't have to be based in reality.

sure hope a real dvc manager are reading "here.". it isn't
the "$" amounts one spent for resales but the ways it is being used...
so what~ buying "resales" and using the points to "rent-a-business"
is getting so big, they are effecting the direct purchaser using theirs
for family vacations. the quality goes way down.

time, time & time again...i read stories here about those going
resales and doing things outside the intended purposes. like
renting as soon as they buy the points-how many direct
owners doing that? or how many direct owners are running
a renting business vs. resales? we don't know--but dvc
does...and it can be used to argued on the problems/
issues being encountered by direct owners.

plus,
how come all these "professional renters" are being tolerated
is beyond me? we have seen in our few visits , safety
issues that we should have never been "exposed" to.

the way i see it---those doing resales are doing them for the costs.
that fact is biggest reason to make more changes.

but why isn't dvc doing their job to stop the excessive renting
and abuses? they know who doing it, and easily could put
the restrictions to stop them. now if something bad happens
out of this, dvc would be responsible "hiding" behind the current
owner -that resales/direct - are @ fault , even though dvc is
aware it is going on?

but i think if a resales person feels they are not being treated the
same is a reflection on their observations-not something dvc
is actively doing.

it just liked the rci trades. i can't see any blt owners trading
out/in because there are many better options...& the
returns are so low. so why is dvc putting any blt rooms
up when their members could benefit? also why not
close the loop since they have so many resorts now,even
outside the parks?

from what i can figure out, our dvc is not being run very well.
and i keep waiting to read "positive/gain" differences instead of
rationalizations aimed @ personal comments.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

plus,
how come all these "professional renters" are being tolerated
is beyond me? we have seen in our few visits , safety
issues that we should have never been "exposed" to.
.

What safety issues please? Worried.....

 

[Chuck S]

how come all these "professional renters" are being tolerated
is beyond me? we have seen in our few visits , safety
issues that we should have never been "exposed" to.

I'm not sure that DVC has a whole lot of legal options to stop it. We, as owners, do have a right to rent our points. Both through our POS and I believe, under FL timeshare laws.

That said, I do not mind people making bookings for renters, based upon a renter contacting an owner and giving the owner their desired dates, and as far as I know, that is also the way most brokers, like David's Rentals, operate. I do not think he handles prebooks, but waits for a renter to give him desired dates. What I do not like, is when owners book prime travel weeks solely on the speculation of renting those rooms at a later date locking out other owners that really do want to travel during that timeframe.

I don't think Disney can restrict whether or not a resale purchaser has the ability to rent their points.

Personally, I've never rented my points out. I do use them and bank any extra until I get too many for me to use, then I'll gift a trip to friends or family.

I'm also curious, as the previous poster...what safety issues are involved with renting?

 

[Brian Noble]

What safety issues please? Worried.....

I would not worry about it at all. Go back and read some of LG's prior posts to see what I mean.

 

[kstorms27]

Anything is possible and nothing would surprise me. Disney looks out for Disney and as I have posted before, several sources at Disney have told me that to them, people who buy resale are taking food off of their table.

Bill

What a joke that is! I bought resale because it was all I could afford and now have the luxury of going there year after year. And might I add, spend a ton of money on their merchandise, dining plans and etc. They will more than get their money out of me!

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

What safety issues please? Worried.....

Got it thanks!

 

[Lynne M]

What a joke that is! I bought resale because it was all I could afford and now have the luxury of going there year after year. And might I add, spend a ton of money on their merchandise, dining plans and etc. They will more than get their money out of me!

Not trying to stir the pot, but I believe the PP was referring to the salespeople at DVD, not the Disney company as a whole. DVD doesn't see any of the money that gets spent by members on merchandise or dining plans. A resale purchase is lost commission income for a DVD guide, and lost income for DVD as a unit.

Not that I'm advocating that people should stop buying resale for the sake of the guides. Just saying, that's their perspective, and I can understand anyone who does sales for a living feeling that way. Of course they'd rather get the sale themselves than have it go to a broker.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

* oops, the above was posted before i finished any editing,
...sorry.

maybe i missed it, but i never read where one poster called
another a name or made an indirect neg. reference. so i am
guessing it was the way one felt. the thing about feelings,
they come with many meanings & cover a range of
passions. also they don't have to be based in reality to
have an effect. (whenever something is made by
conjecture than i am seeking the reason/s why.)

sure hope a real dvc manager are reading "here.". it isn't
the "$" amounts one spent for resales but the ways it is being used...
so what~ buying "resales" and using the points to "rent-a-business"
is getting so big, they are effecting the direct purchaser using theirs
for family vacations. the quality goes way down and the costs
for repairs going up- posts here like sticking 7 in a studio for
example.

time & time again...i read stories here about those going
resales and doing things outside the intended purposes. like
renting as soon as they buy the points-how many direct
owners does that from the start-0%? or how many direct
owners are running a renting business vs. resales? we don't know
--but dvc does...and it can be used to argued on the problems/
issues being encountered by direct owners. ( it isn't the like the
occasional renter but the numbers supporting many renters
sites -& of course they just want "ssr". ) i think they as a whole
are hurting the 7mos bookings.

plus,
how come all these "professional renters" are being tolerated
is beyond me? we have seen in our few visits , safety
issues that we should have never been "exposed" to. don't
tell me dvc can't read e-bay ads.

the way i see it---those doing resales are doing them for the costs.
that fact is biggest reason to make more changes. and if
dvc make changes to separate the 2 groups, what types of
arguments can resales offer? direct isn't the same.

but why isn't dvc doing their job to stop the excessive renting
and abuses? they know who doing it, and easily could put
the restrictions to stop them. now if something bad happens
out of this, dvc would be responsible "hiding" behind the current
owner -that resales/direct - are @ fault , even though dvc is
aware it is going on?

but i think if a resales person feels they are not being treated the
same is a reflection of their feelings-not something dvc
is actively doing.

it just like the rci trades. i can't see any blt owners trading
out/in because there are many better options...& the
returns are so low. so why is dvc putting any blt rooms
up when the other members could benefit? also why not
close the loop since they have so many resorts now,even
outside the parks? and since this does not benefit dvc
owners like it should, then what is being exchange.. that
dvc owners are not privilege to?

from what i can figure out, our dvc is not being run very well.
and here, i keep waiting to read "positive/gain" differences instead
of the rationalizations aimed @ personal character.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

safety issues we encountered for our first big blt vacation.

others include others posting about revs. changes &
they get private offers out of the blue. though against
the rules, here..noticed? they still posted & made their
offers. ( of course, it goes both ways ) . but the
highest "risks" would be for those with the revs....
how many people do you know that can "do" a
disney vacation -within 30 days--if they have jobs?
to me, the monkey wrench.....is the what if?, say
the person with revs., is unloading their revs. &
they are just a renter...so they are dumping it
back on the owner. ( any problems )

i think there are locals "fishing" for bargains rooms to hold
their "parties" for whatever. but what /who going to be
responsible if the party gets out of hand?

i am not a resales owner. but if i was, i know of one real
"benefit" they give to direct owners. and i think there
are others. ( what i read here most often are not presenting
the "positives". instead it almost they are going the
defensive route. ) just saying, it would behooves all
owners to work together. the "status" of being
direct vs resales- isn't all that important compare to
the functions.