DVC resale changes coming!?!

[tjkraz]

And that's the one problem I have with DVC. As Members why can't we have a say in what goes in our resort? We are the ones that own there, and the ones that stay and enjoy our houses there.

Each resort has tens-of-thousands of owners. It's not practical to run the resorts in a democratic fashion. They aren't going to invite owners to vote on wallpaper designs or how often to host poolside movies.

Beyond that, I think we all need to realize that not all members share a like mind. I'm sure there are members who feel strongly that there should be two queen beds (instead of a king) in every 1B master suite and others who want buses arriving every 5 minutes. But those opinions aren't shared by all members. Others are quite content with the bedding arrangement and don't want to see their transportation dues triple.

It's DVC's job to sift through the letters, emails, voicemails and personal interaction with members to determine the greater good.

Are some of Disney's decisions self-serving? Of course. But one of their primary goals is to keep DVC members--and all resort guests--happy.

Maybe a cynic could spin better mattresses and higher AP discounts as greed-based moves on Disney's part. But it seems like members made out pretty well there, too.

I feel like the one time of year we can speak we are given the cold shoulder from Disney.

DVC also announced there would be a reception after the meeting in which members can speak to DVC managers one-on-one.

 

[tjkraz]

In the meetings that I attended, I remember maybe 20 or so people got to ask questions or voice their opinion. The length of the meetings included official business and entertainment, skits, singing, and slide shows.

Bill

That sounds about right. But let's paint an accurate picture, here.

When the Q&A begins, I would estimate that 6-8 people immediately line up to ask questions. Then slowly others begin to filter to the microphones as lines get shorter. After 30-45 minutes they announce that only a few more questions will be accepted.

There are not long lines of individuals who are abruptly turned away. The Q&A is not arbitrarily shut down after a short period. And execs have always made themselves available for one-on-one interaction after the formal meeting ended. The same will be true this year.

Unless folks are hoping to have their questions cheered by a room full of members, there isn't really much changing. If an owner wants to request different lamp styles in the villas, instead of walking up to a microphone stand she can mention it personally to Claire Bilby during the reception.

 

[Simba's Mom]

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My recommendation still is to buy where you love to stay.

Bill

As one who did that, this doesn't upset me too much (but in principle it still does). We even went so far as to sell points that were at a resort we weren't crazy about, and bought "where we loved to stay". At the time, it didn't make much sense financially, just emotionally, but hearing these rumors makes me so glad.
But for people who have a mix of DVC-bought points and resale points, the thought of trying to keep it all straight if these rules go through-how many points can I use to stay where, and what if I want to change resorts and stay there next trip, then how many points can I use-this just boggles my mind and gives me a headache!

Just one question-if DVC does implement these new rules, are those of us who previously bought resale "grandfathered" in by law? Or can DVC do whatever they want, including making this rule retroactive?

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

One question I have please. We bought ours direct so forgive my ignorance... How can DVC member services tell when you book its a resale vs direct purchase?

 

[tjkraz]

One question I have please. We bought ours direct so forgive my ignorance... How can DVC member services tell when you book its a resale vs direct purchase?

That is flagged in their computer system.

Resale purchases after March 20, 2011 are not eligible for use toward Disney Cruises, Adventures by Disney and a few other non-DVC options. That restriction is actively enforced.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

That is flagged in their computer system.

Resale purchases after March 20, 2011 are not eligible for use toward Disney Cruises, Adventures by Disney and a few other non-DVC options. That restriction is actively enforced.

I see thanks. One has visions of a big red light flashing...'we have one of those resale contracts here guys.... Keep them on hold for as long as possible etc and pretend the resort is fully booked' lol..

 

[disneynutz]

As one who did that, this doesn't upset me too much (but in principle it still does). We even went so far as to sell points that were at a resort we weren't crazy about, and bought "where we loved to stay". At the time, it didn't make much sense financially, just emotionally, but hearing these rumors makes me so glad.
But for people who have a mix of DVC-bought points and resale points, the thought of trying to keep it all straight if these rules go through-how many points can I use to stay where, and what if I want to change resorts and stay there next trip, then how many points can I use-this just boggles my mind and gives me a headache!

Just one question-if DVC does implement these new rules, are those of us who previously bought resale "grandfathered" in by law? Or can DVC do whatever they want, including making this rule retroactive?

If you look at my post 73 in this thread IMO they can do what they want.

Also IMO they will do what they have done before and grandfather in previously purchased resales if they make the change reported here.

Disney isn't trying to punish resale owners, they are wanting to drive more buyers to direct sales and more importantly acquire ammo for their sales staff.

"when you buy direct you can use your membership for magical destinations all around the world" and when a buyer asks about resale, "when you buy direct, you can stay at all DVC resorts, when you buy resale, you can only stay at your home resort".

Bill

 

[rwcmath]

Maybe we'll see what's what when MS comes back on line. They're closing for a period this week, right?

I'm hoping for postive things to happen to direct or grandfathered contracts.

 

[erionm]

Maybe we'll see what's what when MS comes back on line. They're closing for a period this week, right?

I'm hoping for postive things to happen to direct or grandfathered contracts.

They will be closed from 5PM Eastern this evening (12/3) until 10AM Eastern tomorrow morning (12/4) (times subject to change). The On-line reservation system will be down during this time also.

 

[wdrl]

Dictionary: Rumor - a current circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.

Thesaurus: Rumor - Gossip, talk, tittle-tattle, speculation, reports, stories, whispers, canards, etc.

Although I have only been around the disboards for about three years, I am still amazed how rumors go viral on the disboards.

Remember last December all the rumors about how early December would be moved out of the Adventure Season?

How about the more recent rumor that the models for the Villas of Grand Floridian would open on November 4, 2012?

Remember the rumor that DVC was going to impose a 5-night minimum stay?

How is the rumor about the River County DVC resort coming along these days?

I wonder how many people really believe Walt Disney is being kept frozen in some cryogenic laboratory?

 

[DougEMG]

Just for fun, lets assume that the goal is to increase direct sales what are some of the things Disney could do without radically changing the system (ie minor tweets). One rule is that direct and resale purchasers have to be treated the same at their home resort.

(1) Direct purchasers can trade out through RCI, resale can't. Or if Disney likes owners trading out through RCI, make direct purchasers pay no or a reduced fee and resale owners pay a higher fee.

(2) Direct purchasers do not pay any fees to book non-home resorts, resale purchasers have to pay a booking fee. Could also make this fee payable everytime they change their reservation at a non-home resort.

(3) Direct purchasers have a one month booking advantage at non-home resorts over resale purchasers at non-home resorts.

(4) Resale purchasers get no perks (ie no discounted AP, PAP, TIW, etc).

Anyone got any others ?

 

[DougEMG]

What I find funny is the restrictions that DVC has already placed on resale contracts. The actual effect was it stopped resale owners from using their points in a very inefficent manner. How many resale owners were actually effected by that change? The change seemed to be one of the smallest and most unimportant things they could have done while still making some sort of change to differentiate resale and direct owners.

 

[z28wiz]

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[bighoo93]

Disney isn't trying to punish resale owners, they are wanting to drive more buyers to direct sales and more importantly acquire ammo for their sales staff.

If that isn't their goal, and I trust that is true, then this would be a clumsy way to go about promoting direct sales. There are better ways. If they ignore those, then I'm not sure it is fair to conclude that it is not exactly what they wanted to do.

 

[bighoo93]

Just for fun, lets assume that the goal is to increase direct sales what are some of the things Disney could do without radically changing the system (ie minor tweets). One rule is that direct and resale purchasers have to be treated the same at their home resort.

(1) Direct purchasers can trade out through RCI, resale can't. Or if Disney likes owners trading out through RCI, make direct purchasers pay no or a reduced fee and resale owners pay a higher fee.

(2) Direct purchasers do not pay any fees to book non-home resorts, resale purchasers have to pay a booking fee. Could also make this fee payable everytime they change their reservation at a non-home resort.

(3) Direct purchasers have a one month booking advantage at non-home resorts over resale purchasers at non-home resorts.

(4) Resale purchasers get no perks (ie no discounted AP, PAP, TIW, etc).

Anyone got any others ?

#3 seems pretty obvious and reasonable. Not sure why they couldn't have a home resort advantage too.

I was assuming that the concern at this point was protecting the exclusivity of GF villas. I don't even see why Disney needs to be selling other home resorts that they only acquire through ROFR. But if that is their concern, why not allow resale to only book at existing resorts, but direct can book at current and future resorts, including GF (still with the home resort exclusivity period). That would be something CMs could sell over resale. Not only can you book at GF, but also whatever next resorts we develop. I'd be tempted to buy direct in that case, if I could swing the cost. But I wouldn't feel like resale points were getting screwed over.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Funny. I haven't seen Dean jump in here and that's not like him. Is he sick? Anybody know?

 

[DougEMG]

#3 seems pretty obvious and reasonable. Not sure why they couldn't have a home resort advantage too.

My basic assumption is that all owners have to be treated equally at their home resort. There isn't any legal way for one class of owners to be treated differently at their home resort.

 

[DougEMG]

why not allow resale to only book at existing resorts, but direct can book at current and future resorts, including GF (still with the home resort exclusivity period

My assumption is that only as many points can trade into a resort as can trade out of the resort. As an extreme example what if all BWV and BCV owners are resale owners. None of them could trade out, hence no other members at any other resort that purchased direct could trade into BWV and BCV ever.

 

[going/again]

This is an interesting idea & if it comes to pass, it wouldn't drive me to buy direct... it would drive me to not buy at all. I think with these restrictions, we'll find that rental points will become cheaper as more & more points will come on the market with rental restrictions for use at one resort only. Renting these restricted points will become much more affordable.

Wouldnt that be the last thing Disney wants, they are already losing cash bookings to rentals ?

 

[bighoo93]

My assumption is that only as many points can trade into a resort as can trade out of the resort. As an extreme example what if all BWV and BCV owners are resale owners. None of them could trade out, hence no other members at any other resort that purchased direct could trade into BWV and BCV ever.

I'm not following. BWV and BCV resale owners could book at any of the resorts currently operating. But not any that are developed in the future, including GF, Poly, etc. Maybe the math doesn't work, I didn't think that through. But it would not be true that they could not book anywhere other than their home resort. Just not GF and others not currently developed.