DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

[hakepb]

Roll in shower

A roll-in shower is supposed to be helpful to someone in a wheelchair. there is no ridge at the bottom (to step over, or hold water in) so someone can just "roll-in" and/or more easily transfer into the shower.

 

[drusba]

Can you look again?!? I just wented into dvcmembers.com and checked the 2010 chart and right under choice season is April 11-30th. I also looked at the little 2010 chart compendium they sent us in spring last year and it is the same. Can others check also? I agree there is no change for 2009 & 2010, but for 2011, part of april went from choice to magic while the other part of april is premier.

Not trying to get you upset but wondering whether DVC short changed us...

You are correct for Grand Californian, April 16-30 was Choice in 2010 and April 15-30 is premier in 2011 but that is because Easter is April 24 in 2011 and the Easter weeks are always premiere weeks.

 

[hakepb]

Can we split this thread into pre-release and post-release discussion? Maybe there wouldn't be so many new threads popping up if this one started with the post-release discussion. This one starts on 12/7/09.

At least change the title? "DVC Point Charts for 2011 now available" I was looking for a different thread because this one still had the "?" and figured people were still talking about pre-change stuff

 

[Markeymouses]

I do remember when we bought in my DH asked that specific question. The answer was "they will fluctuate slighty throughout the years" LOL we realized there would be changes... but I really thought they would keep them the same for a few years and do this every couple of years not every year. I'm a little surprised but when I called the DH and told him he said " I not surprised I knew this would happen when he was telling us about the points FLUCTUATING LOL"

 

[Malaguti Ball Clan]

Am I the only person who looks at these charts and shrugs?

For me, I can't get upset with what they set, but rather I look forward to scouring the charts and finding out the new best deals and how to take advantage and make the most out of my points.

I'm excited!

With you on that...but still trying to figure out what the "standard view" is for AKV grand's

 

[wendypooh]

Am I "dense"???? Where do you find points for the treehouses?

 

[mgroshans]

Can we split this thread into pre-release and post-release discussion? Maybe there wouldn't be so many new threads popping up if this one started with the post-release discussion. This one starts on 12/7/09.

Agree

 

[Anal Annie]

Am I "dense"???? Where do you find points for the treehouses?

They are still on the SSR chart - inbetwwen the 2 bedroom & 3 bedroom grand villas. Same exact #'s as the SSR 2 bedrooms.

 

[Tiger926]

I am kinda missing what is more fair about this? How are members treated differently. We all paid for our points, so I am confused by what you mean is more fair?

I have figured out all the trips I have taken in the last two years and in EVERY case my points went up. How is that more fair? It seems eveytime they do a reallocation it will be unfair to some members.


WHAT I FIND frustrating is that you can NO LONGER rely on the charts. My week trip in the summer went up 10 points. My trip this June went up 20 points (we are doing bigger accomodations). I now have to buy a minimum 50 point add on to be able to travel the same as I planned for many years to come. But next year it may go up another 10 and so on. So what I think is totatlly UNFAIR is that DVC mislead us profoundly by saying the points charts never change (please do not tell me they didn't say that.... we all know that a majority of us sat in those little rooms with the sales reps saying the same thing for that 10 or 12 years.) Now it is going to be a floating chart for forever. I don't believe one bit they will be adjusting and sticking with one thing ever. So now what used to be a reliable vacation planning tool is now all over the place. I find that totally unfair to ALL the members.

We couldn't agree more! They used that as a big marketing tool, and so for many of us, we based our points on that. Then the reallocations the past year have caused many of us to add on, or change the vacations that we planned and prepared to go on based on the info they provided at that time. It leaves us with an uneasy feeling as well, as the whole point of being DVC is that we can plan out our vacations 11 months out - many of us love that part of the planning. Now, with floating point charts, that element is gone. For those of us who are planners, this doesn't sit well at all...

We are not adding on anymore, so we'll have to adjust our vacations accordingly. We still haven't figured out our bottom line as hubby and I aren't feeling well, so even if we are ok, the whole floating/changing point charts doesn't sit well with us at all. Since we always do split stays, it might mean less money in Disney's pockets,as we liked to fiddle around with different Dining Plans. Hubby and I just talked about if we cannot fit in split stays now due to the new point charts, we aren't doing the Dining Plan for 2 weeks. Thus, Disney is going to get less of our money - we are forcing ourselves to cook more in our villa, and a big part of this is due to these floating charts.

Everyone's mileage will vary, and so we all need to crunch the ever-important numbers, and see what it means for our families. Bottom line for us though is that we are not adding on anymore. It would be a never-ending cycle to try and deal with floating point charts that continually change. Hubby thinks this is Disney's intention with the whole thing anyway as it's weird how the point charts worked for so long, yet now, all of a sudden, they are saying they need to change. Why? I totally understand that seasons/holidays might necessitate changes, but I'm not sure about the rest of it. The weekends have been out of whack, so this might be good to make them more feasible, but why were they allowed to get so out of whack in the first place? That is my big problem with the whole thing...That and the fact that they wait until the last minute to post the charts. Smacks of disrespect and ambushing...IMHO. If they are confident in their point charts and the reasons for changes, then they should have no problems in making the charts available in late Nov/Dec.

Tiger

 

[LIFERBABE]

I am kinda missing what is more fair about this? How are members treated differently. We all paid for our points, so I am confused by what you mean is more fair?

I have figured out all the trips I have taken in the last two years and in EVERY case my points went up. How is that more fair? It seems eveytime they do a reallocation it will be unfair to some members.


WHAT I FIND frustrating is that you can NO LONGER rely on the charts. My week trip in the summer went up 10 points. My trip this June went up 20 points (we are doing bigger accomodations). I now have to buy a minimum 50 point add on to be able to travel the same as I planned for many years to come. But next year it may go up another 10 and so on. So what I think is totatlly UNFAIR is that DVC mislead us profoundly by saying the points charts never change (please do not tell me they didn't say that.... we all know that a majority of us sat in those little rooms with the sales reps saying the same thing for that 10 or 12 years.) Now it is going to be a floating chart for forever. I don't believe one bit they will be adjusting and sticking with one thing ever. So now what used to be a reliable vacation planning tool is now all over the place. I find that totally unfair to ALL the members.

I am sorry you were negatively impacted by the reallocation. I know everyone will react differently, and you may not agree.

 

[silmarg]

For those of us who are planners, this doesn't sit well at all.

Tiger... your sentence sums it up. Most folks here on the DIS are uber planners and look to get the best value out of their trips to the world.

Many of those on these very boards have historically split stays to get the most value out of weekend point disparities or book a studio on a weekend and a larger room during the week. For those who plan and use DVC this way, the past two years of point changes is a dramatic change. And it seems to me these are the very people DVD impacted with these changes.

For others who take a straight 7 day trip these point changes don't cause much alarm.

Any change to the charts will create winners and losers. In this case, its the ultra DIS planner who bears the brunt of this change.

 

[Dean]

I just thought of something else. This reallocation levels the playing field for small point owners. Before they had to wait and start their vacations on Sunday not having enough points to bridge the Fri and Sat night. Now that the weekend points have been flattened out, they can pretty much start their vacation on whatever day they like +7 for a few more points.
Small point owners were really at a disadvantage to large point owners when the weekend points were almost double.

Like for the THV. If you had enough points to start your vacation on Fri Premier season 2009 at 98 points a night, you got a head start on those waiting for Sunday at 48 points a night. Large point owners got a 200 point headstart over small point owners.

This change will also benefit local members who live close and can take advantage of long weekends.

After last year's reallocation, Im pretty calm about this one. Sun-Fri bookings were not working for us for many years. I think the hardest hit will be members that only stayed weeknights and renters and maybe that is DVC's intention for cash rates to be more competitive with point rentals.

Small point owners will be helped or hurt depending on their visit habits. For weekend heavy stays they will be helped but for those targeting S-F stays, they will be hurt.

Anyone know if all the cro bookings made at DVC resorts are included in the predictions, as these should'nt be counted surely

My understanding is it's just member demand. What I don't know is where they cut it off because to truly determine demand you can't simply use what's left over. You really need to look mostly at owner usage at a given resort including the WL and then again at 7 months plus the wait list. Adding in later reservations skews the number by allotting credence to those that end up settling for a given reservation.

t wouldn't bother me if I could detach myself emotionally and just look at it as a business move.

And that's the only way I look at it, without emotion attached. IMO, that's the only appropriate way to discuss the various merits of such a move.

If not, then what is the point of having a use year?

I don't think I've ever heard a formal definition. I assume it's to even out some of the admin demand and costs.

Ok...another question....
Seeing how the points "value" tend to change with allocations, would there be a change in the average rental value per point? I know the average is around $10.00... didn't know if that would increase too. I don't rent, but wanted to know just how far point allocation affects point structure.

There is no net change, only increases and decreases that balance out. I doubt this will have much impact on rentals but it may decrease the rental value just a little for less than a full week but increase the value for weekends. Rental value should track the relative increase or decrease of the points themselves.

WHAT I FIND frustrating is that you can NO LONGER rely on the charts. My week trip in the summer went up 10 points. My trip this June went up 20 points (we are doing bigger accomodations). I now have to buy a minimum 50 point add on to be able to travel the same as I planned for many years to come. But next year it may go up another 10 and so on. So what I think is totatlly UNFAIR is that DVC mislead us profoundly by saying the points charts never change (please do not tell me they didn't say that.... we all know that a majority of us sat in those little rooms with the sales reps saying the same thing for that 10 or 12 years.) Now it is going to be a floating chart for forever. I don't believe one bit they will be adjusting and sticking with one thing ever. So now what used to be a reliable vacation planning tool is now all over the place. I find that totally unfair to ALL the members.

I see your point and understand about the lack of consistency and ability to plan. However, I think this is likely to be a temporary issue and things will settle in soon. Worst they can do is make all times and days the same points.

 

[supersuperwendy]

So my SSR (2 bedroom) Sun-Thurs night trip in August has gone from 155 points for 5 nights in 2009 to 195 points in 2011.

This really stinks. If I had a smaller family and could squeeze into a studio it wouldn't be a problem. I read something a long time ago that said DVC is not the best idea if you need larger accomdations. I guess they were right.

 

[drusba]

Other than the seeming creation of "Standard" view GVs at AKV, which may just be a mistake, the charts appear to be mostly something that was actually planned before the change made last year. The changes from the two years combined have resulted in a total change that is greater than 20% per night for most nights of the year. They did it in two years to avoid having to put it to a member vote which a greater than 20% change in one year would have required.

 

[edk35]

Can a Mod delete the previous posts up until the chart was announced?

 

[Fractal514]

I bought my points in September and am only now starting to pay monthly for them and the dues. I will book my first trip in February, BLT>WLV>BCV>BWV, 1 Bedroom. So I am fairly new to this, but...

This year I'm taking my brother down with my wife and I, getting a 1BR and he'll sleep on the pull out. Next year, we're taking my rents AND my bro, and staying in a 2 BR. Then a year or two off, and then maybe a trip to GCV (our home) in a studio for a few nights. I'm going in September for all three trips.

Some of my stuff has gone up, some has gone down, but in the end, as long as the point total for the hotel doesn't change, I don't see how I can get mad.

I wonder if some of the frustration is that people bought and planned based on "the deals" the times that were cheaper and were, in a sense, taking advantage of the way the system was set up. Well, DVC figured out what people were doing, and now we'll have to find new ways of taking advantage.

That's the game folks!

 

[BWV Dreamin]

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I see your point and understand about the lack of consistency and ability to plan. However, I think this is likely to be a temporary issue and things will settle in soon. Worst they can do is make all times and days the same points.

So why doesn't DVD just go ahead and do this?

 

[Dean]

So why doesn't DVD just go ahead and do this?

I didn't say they were, only that they might. This is one approach they could take. They can only change by 20% per year though so IF this were their plan, they'd have to do it incrementally keeping the points "balanced" in the interim. I really don't think that's where they are going though.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I didn't say they were, only that they might. This is one approach they could take. They can only change by 20% per year though so IF this were their plan, they'd have to do it incrementally keeping the points "balanced" in the interim. I really don't think that's where they are going though.

Why would this not be entertained? This would put it in line with the rest of thr TS industry, then no further needs for reallocation.

 

[Dean]

Why would this not be entertained? This would put it in line with the rest of thr TS industry, then no further needs for reallocation.

They might but I don't think so. I think they're trying to even out demand. I don't believe this would put them in line with the rest of the timeshares that work on points and to equilibrate to those that are full weeks, they'd need a pretty substantial minimum stay OR the ability to book full weeks earlier than partial weeks.