DVC at Caribbean Beach?

[Deb & Bill]

They would be smarter to move it closer to WWoS and make it sports/running themed with a grand running course through the resort to sell to the Disney Running crowd. It would fill up 100% around all the running events and sporting events.

Link it to DHS through the parking lot (which I heard is being enlarged for Starwars/Pixar).

 

[Tardisblue]

They would be smarter to move it closer to WWoS and make it sports/running themed with a grand running course through the resort to sell to the Disney Running crowd. It would fill up 100% around all the running events and sporting events.

Link it to DHS through the parking lot (which I heard is being enlarged for Starwars/Pixar).

This is the best response I've seen so far. The running community would keep this place book solid nearly year round.

 

[Deb & Bill]

This topic of a "separate system" comes up every time a new DVC is rumored or announced.

It's not even worth considering. The single most powerful marketing tool DVC has at its disposal is the existence of 13 current properties. Disney would never create a separate system. They will always market the product as "yes, you're buying at ____ resort but you can still use points to stay at the Beach Club, Contemporary, Grand Californian..."

Selling ownership at a single resort is a non-starter.



Unconfirmed (really unconformable) information suggests that Disney Deluxe resorts are the segment suffering the most. Between the inflated prices and existence of DVC (and rentals), occupancy at Deluxes reportedly isn't what it once was. That's why many of the conversions are occurring.

Moderates, Values and Suites are doing better. And if this rumor is true, the villas would be all new construction and wouldn't take any of the Moderate rooms out of circulation.

Do you think DVC would limit the "moderate" DVC units to less time to book non-home DVC resorts. Like all the existing can book a non-home resort at seven months out. The moderate DVC resorts can book non-home DVC resorts at five months out.

 

[Dean]

Do you think DVC would limit the "moderate" DVC units to less time to book non-home DVC resorts. Like all the existing can book a non-home resort at seven months out. The moderate DVC resorts can book non-home DVC resorts at five months out.

They can't unless they make it a separate system and I doubt they will do this for a moderate location. If they wanted a separate system, starting with VGF would likely have been best.

 

[OKW Lover]

Do you think DVC would limit the "moderate" DVC units to less time to book non-home DVC resorts. Like all the existing can book a non-home resort at seven months out. The moderate DVC resorts can book non-home DVC resorts at five months out.

They can't unless they make it a separate system and I doubt they will do this for a moderate location. If they wanted a separate system, starting with VGF would likely have been best.

I'm with Dean on this. They are limited legally as to what they can change and I don't believe having a separate booking window is one of them

 

[Gillyrose779]

They could then relax the 160 point minimum (i think this is the case) when you first buy in. s.

It's only a 50 point min. now.

 

[Gillyrose779]

The more I think about this the more it makes sense. AK value rooms are booked at the 11 month window constantly. People are always looking to stretch their points and Disney would prefer you to stay longer- more money on park tickets/ annual passes, food, entertainment, etc...

If they could create a DVC moderate the points per night should be less. I could see them charging the same for buy in for a moderate. The owners are not getting a "nicer" resort they are getting more 'bang for their buck"- where other resorts they could only stretch their points to 4-5 days- here they could stretch to 7+.

For us I could see - instead of only having 1 long weekend with just the husband a year maybe we could have 2!

All speculation really but it has me a bit excited at the thought.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

This is the best response I've seen so far. The running community would keep this place book solid nearly year round.

Hmmmmm...You mean 4 weekends a year to correspond to the 4 races they currently have at WDW.

 

[DougEMG]

You're funny...DVC charging less points! Most people would never think that DVC could charge a $160 a point, or anywhere from 115 to over 200 points a night in a bungalow. Throw a tower up with a fitness center or a community center on the first floor and bam you have a "Deluxe DVC"

I don't think the price to buy will be reduced, I think that the point cost per room per night will have to be low, i.e. OKW low.

If one assumes that they tie it in with CBR, meaning facilities are shared, then no matter what Disney tried to call the resort, it will be a moderate resort. And no one is going to pay the high point cost for a room at a moderate resort when they can stay some place better.

AKW value has cheap point cost per night
OKW has the largest rooms
SSR is next to Disney Springs.
What is CBR DVC going to be - and it has to be something that CBR hotel guests don't get.

Now if it is a separate resort from CBR with its own facilities which aren't shared with all the CBR guests, then sure the point costs per night could be higher than OKW/SSR. I just don't think it will be separate.

 

[n2mm]

I think it would do well. I own at both BLT and BWV to book standard rooms at the 11 month window. Value rooms at AKV go quickly. Being able to get a dvc bargain would do very well when it comes to bookings. Add a fantastic lazy river type pool and great food court type dining and/or restraurant, then it becomes very attractive.

Now how they would sell this as a home resort would be tough. Guess we'll have to see how they sweeten the deal for prospective deals....maybe a bogo deals. When I bought my BLT contract, I got a free Disney cruise as an incentive! This will be interesting to watch.

 

[Dean]

I don't think the price to buy will be reduced, I think that the point cost per room per night will have to be low, i.e. OKW low.

If one assumes that they tie it in with CBR, meaning facilities are shared, then no matter what Disney tried to call the resort, it will be a moderate resort. And no one is going to pay the high point cost for a room at a moderate resort when they can stay some place better.

AKW value has cheap point cost per night
OKW has the largest rooms
SSR is next to Disney Springs.
What is CBR DVC going to be - and it has to be something that CBR hotel guests don't get.

Now if it is a separate resort from CBR with its own facilities which aren't shared with all the CBR guests, then sure the point costs per night could be higher than OKW/SSR. I just don't think it will be separate.

There are lots of things they could do to give it added value but I really don't think they have to do much unique to sell it. Heck, they sold SSR out, they can sell anything. This group will reasonably compare it to OKW, AKV value, SSR and the like but the sales team will compare it to the Poly and Copper Creek and it'll be a lot less points. I'd assume points along the lines of SSR standard for comparable options.

 

[ParkHoppers]

Everytime Disney offers a lower cost offering doesn't that just make the 7 month window more competitive as many who buy at the lower cost DVC are usually trying to stay elsewhere?

 

[jerseyduke]

This topic of a "separate system" comes up every time a new DVC is rumored or announced.

It's not even worth considering. The single most powerful marketing tool DVC has at its disposal is the existence of 13 current properties. Disney would never create a separate system. They will always market the product as "yes, you're buying at ____ resort but you can still use points to stay at the Beach Club, Contemporary, Grand Californian..."

Selling ownership at a single resort is a non-starter.


Didn't they do it at OKW? But the fact of the matter is, no matter how you look at DVC, they have just swapped out points as the used currency. They could make a moderate one, and include it in 'the system', and have a room be 1/2 the points per night. It really is not any different than the way it is, the cash rooms being less dollars at the moderates, the point rooms would be less points.






Unconfirmed (really unconformable) information suggests that Disney Deluxe resorts are the segment suffering the most. Between the inflated prices and existence of DVC (and rentals), occupancy at Deluxes reportedly isn't what it once was. That's why many of the conversions are occurring.

Moderates, Values and Suites are doing better. And if this rumor is true, the villas would be all new construction and wouldn't take any of the Moderate rooms out of circulation.

If you go and try to book something on short notice, during busy times, you will often find the only thing available is deluxe resorts.

 

[jerseyduke]

I thought that during a shareholders call last year they shared that their resorts are not fully booked - thus the justification for letting DVC pay for a share. Albeit the numbers I saw in general would be quite good for the hotel industry but Iger seemed to have an expectation of 100% occupancy - which is what DVC pretty much provides as it's sold for that.

100% occupancy is a double edged sword, and a fine dance.
< 100% means rooms are unoccupied and $$$ are being lost.
100% means customers are being turned away, and dollars are being lost, and customers are disappointed.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Hmmmmm...You mean 4 weekends a year to correspond to the 4 races they currently have at WDW.

The location near WWoS would help fill it up all year long. Plus if it was connected to DHS via the parking lot, it would become another "Epcot" Resort - walking distance to two parks.

But to those who think the point range would be less, remember, DVC doesn't ever make things less expensive or fewer points if they think they can get more for them. I thought $90 a point was high when they got that high. But they've gone even higher.

 

[Mrs.Milo]

I've looked at the "google earth" view of the Caribbean Beach resort and think there's another option. There's a good-sized parcel of land between the CB resort and the parking lots of the Studios. I think it would be easy to eliminate the 2 north of the current 4 parking lot sections at the Studios, and put a new Studios DVC on that land, which would put it right on the water. That also gives it access to the canal for easy access to the boats to the Epcot resort area. There is still room for more parking for the studios. When I heard Disney was going to work on the Studios parking lot that's what I was hoping for anyway! The CB resort could easily be tied into the area too as I've always thought it was close enough to easily add a people mover or moving sidewalk of some sort to make the CB more convenient and desirable and eliminate some of the bus traffic. Anyway I thought it would be neat to have another DVC next to a park. Just dreaming........

 

[Tardisblue]

Why not just convert/combine the Trinidad South section of CBR with this parcel of land on the west side of the lake and make it a decent sized resort? Trinidad South is so far from the main house and seems kind of lost. They could easily bridge the lake.

 

[ParkHoppers]

They need more rooms and yet they continue to convert rooms to DVC, 50% of WL is going DVC. Apparently DVC makes Disney money besides, selling contracts.

Bill

Wow! They are converting 50% of WL rooms to DVC. I,m liking that. It will certainly help us at the 7 month window with that large increase in DVC rooms. After construction is done VWL will be the first place I will stay. I love the vibe that WL has. Like no other DVC resort.

 

[disneynutz]

Wow! They are converting 50% of WL rooms to DVC. I,m liking that. It will certainly help us at the 7 month window with that large increase in DVC rooms. After construction is done VWL will be the first place I will stay. I love the vibe that WL has. Like no other DVC resort.

You will have to wait until 7 months unless you buy there.

Bill

 

[ParkHoppers]

You will have to wait until 7 months unless you buy there.

Bill

Yes I think it will help people's chances of getting a VWL room at 7 months with that many more being added to the resort.