DVC 25th Anniversary Perks

Define "packed"?

Were they packed today?

How about January 30? March 3? May 19th? August 21? September 22? November 15? December 6?

This "the parks are SOOOO crowded" is a complete myth. They haven't added on to handle the normal growth in population percentages...that's the problem.

But.."crowded" can only be applied to the entire year...not just peak days or weekends.

Go a June day now and compare Magic kingdom to a June day in 1986 or 1996...

It was WAYYY worse then.

Well of course random days here and there will be less than other days. But overall attendance is up. Here are articles supporting the increase in attendance.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/trav...ey-parks-worldwide-attendance-2015-story.html

Per the USAToday article: Now, Disney parks are busting at the seams with visitors and well-positioned for what's expected to be one of the busiest summers for theme parks in years. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/06/01/disney-theme-park-stocks/2343753/

In fiscal year 2014, a record number of guests visited Disney's U.S. parks at 77 million. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/03/15/walt-disney-theme-parks-worth-higher-price.aspx

The attendance at Disney’s theme parks has also been on an uptrend and went up from 70 million in 2009 to 77 million in 2014.Given these trends, we estimate the attendance will grow to 80 million in 2015 and over 100 million by the end of our forecast period http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...ill-drive-disneys-u-s-theme-parks-operations/

With parks predicting increased over all yearly attendance year after year why would Disney want to discount tickets to anyone, we are no more special to them than any guest that comes back year after year. Many DVC members have spent a good deal less for their buy in to DVC than regular resort guests spend on their trips. Does a DVC member that bought a low point resale contract deserve a greater ticket discount than a resort guest staying in a deluxe hotel for a week or more year after year. I don't think so and probably neither does Disney.

I really think many DVC members inflate how special they think they are. I am sure Disney seems it more realistically in dollars and cents.

Even on the Anniversary Page listing, DVC reminds all members of this: You should not purchase a real estate interest in a Disney Vacation Club Resort in reliance upon the confirmed availability or renewal or extension of these offers.
 
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So…just saw that Members receive a discount for Cirque tickets. Told my guests that I can get a discount…but then went to the Cirque website and saw the same price! This is embarrassing. Am I missing something? What is the "discount"??
 
With the exception of last week, the rest of the month appears to be manageable
It is only packed during peak times when school is not in session

https://www.undercovertourist.com/orlando/crowd-calendar/
It is busy year round. October is busy due to Halloween parties and Food and Wine. December is busy due to holiday offerings. There will be random here or there less busy times but the Disney of old where there was actual off times for weeks or even an entire month does not exist anymore. We have been going every year since the mid 80s and we have seen a much larger increase in attendance during time periods that used to be considered off season. School calendars only make it more crowded. January is about the only month, that will have days of less crowded due to the weather and lack of special events.
 

So…just saw that Members receive a discount for Cirque tickets. Told my guests that I can get a discount…but then went to the Cirque website and saw the same price! This is embarrassing. Am I missing something? What is the "discount"??

Did you access it through the DVC website, are you logged into your DVC account, etc? :)

If you haven't already, on DVCMember.com, under My DVC Membership -> Member Benefits and More and select La Nouba. It has a price table of DVC discounts vs normal prices (cheapest seats are a $16 discount over what non-members pay). On the right it has a link to purchase now or to call member services to purchase. The booking website was having issues when I tried.
 
It is busy year round. October is busy due to Halloween parties and Food and Wine. December is busy due to holiday offerings. There will be random here or there less busy times but the Disney of old where there was actual off times for weeks or even an entire month does not exist anymore. We have been going every year since the mid 80s and we have seen a much larger increase in attendance during time periods that used to be considered off season. School calendars only make it more crowded. January is about the only month, that will have days of less crowded due to the weather and lack of special events.

You're still upside down on this...

Those parks aren't anywhere close to "full" and never have been.

How can you tell? Because they "fill" for a handful of hours a year.

I've found the crowds to be far more manageable in traditional peak times - namely spring break periods and the summer months...than they were as both a traveler and an employee who had access into the hotel occupancy, ticket, and revenue figures...as well as forecasts...I'd love to see those things today.

But "record attendance" is not a synonym with "packed" or "full". Not close. Their increases have been pretty consistent with time. And perhaps that they've made far less of an effort to increase offerings with that growth is the bigger issue than raw numbers?

When are you going? Would it be safe to say you've seen every month/season in the last 3-5 years or so?

Because on that island...somethings - like run Disney events and the end of food and wine - have gone bugnuts...

Others not even close. Look for rooms the week prior and after Easter...you won't have a problem

Some of that is that pricing has redistributed the crowd Over the calendar...some is that people don't travel on school vacations only as they once did. Obviously bigger seasonal crowds from international customers are much more of a factor than years ago...

But overall...I submit "packed" is not accurate. The crowds have "shifted" and their are fewer dead zones...but that isn't the same thing.

Wait till a recession and tell me how they won't need to kiss the frequent customers butts...that's when the fun will begin. The next one will be far worse for Disney than before because they ceased to care about the foundations that traditionally get them them through it.

Get your popcorn.
 
You're still upside down on this...

Those parks aren't anywhere close to "full" and never have been.

How can you tell? Because they "fill" for a handful of hours a year.

I've found the crowds to be far more manageable in traditional peak times - namely spring break periods and the summer months...than they were as both a traveler and an employee who had access into the hotel occupancy, ticket, and revenue figures...as well as forecasts...I'd love to see those things today.

But "record attendance" is not a synonym with "packed" or "full". Not close. Their increases have been pretty consistent with time. And perhaps that they've made far less of an effort to increase offerings with that growth is the bigger issue than raw numbers?

When are you going? Would it be safe to say you've seen every month/season in the last 3-5 years or so?

Because on that island...somethings - like run Disney events and the end of food and wine - have gone bugnuts...

Others not even close. Look for rooms the week prior and after Easter...you won't have a problem

Some of that is that pricing has redistributed the crowd Over the calendar...some is that people don't travel on school vacations only as they once did. Obviously bigger seasonal crowds from international customers are much more of a factor than years ago...

But overall...I submit "packed" is not accurate. The crowds have "shifted" and their are fewer dead zones...but that isn't the same thing.

Wait till a recession and tell me how they won't need to kiss the frequent customers butts...that's when the fun will begin. The next one will be far worse for Disney than before because they ceased to care about the foundations that traditionally get them them through it.

Get your popcorn.

My point is with attendance increasing every year, there is no incentive for Disney to reduce tickets or even maintain the price. Yes I have been going often since the middle 80s and have visited every month in the year.

It just seems some on this forum think DVC and even Disney owe them more than what they bought. I just don't see that. If demand drops off then yes it will be a different story.
 
Sometimes I wonder if we overthink how much actual work the DVC "perks" team puts into acquiring these. It's fairly shocking how little thought or effort is often put in to business decisions (yes, including large corporations that we all think "have it together"). I highly doubt the perks team "fought" to get this discount. More likely, someone said "hey, what can we throw at them, these parties and card don't seem like enough" and the parks division said "what about an extra day?" and the perks team said "sounds good" and then marketing/pr spun it up in the fancy package we see today and it all took place over the span of maybe 2 days/meetings/emails. I really doubt there was much time spent on it, business processes just don't tend to work that way, in my experience.

That said, all ticket perks have been restrictive since we bought in 2006. The best perk, in my opinion, was the old AP discount as long as you were planning to go for at least 10 days over the course of the year and even that was just kinda okay. I understand the frustration I read here though I don't share it (just my laid back personality). Yes, we bought a timeshare and aren't "entitled" to anything else but DVC SELLS the "magic" of the perks during their sales pitch. They specifically emphasize those as a part of the "membership" - at least they did when we bought our DVC. Contracts are what I do in business so I, personally, knew better but when a customer is sold something with a specific expectation and then that expectation isn't met, it is pretty reasonable to feel frustration over perks that aren't really that great, even if they aren't entitled to them.
 
Sometimes I wonder if we overthink how much actual work the DVC "perks" team puts into acquiring these. It's fairly shocking how little thought or effort is often put in to business decisions (yes, including large corporations that we all think "have it together"). I highly doubt the perks team "fought" to get this discount. More likely, someone said "hey, what can we throw at them, these parties and card don't seem like enough" and the parks division said "what about an extra day?" and the perks team said "sounds good" and then marketing/pr spun it up in the fancy package we see today and it all took place over the span of maybe 2 days/meetings/emails. I really doubt there was much time spent on it, business processes just don't tend to work that way, in my experience.

That said, all ticket perks have been restrictive since we bought in 2006. The best perk, in my opinion, was the old AP discount as long as you were planning to go for at least 10 days over the course of the year and even that was just kinda okay. I understand the frustration I read here though I don't share it (just my laid back personality). Yes, we bought a timeshare and aren't "entitled" to anything else but DVC SELLS the "magic" of the perks during their sales pitch. They specifically emphasize those as a part of the "membership" - at least they did when we bought our DVC. Contracts are what I do in business so I, personally, knew better but when a customer is sold something with a specific expectation and then that expectation isn't met, it is pretty reasonable to feel frustration over perks that aren't really that great, even if they aren't entitled to them.

Nicely done
 
We have gone to the parks during "peak" rimes, most notable the week after Easter 2 years ago. Was it busy? Yes. But the parks opened at 7 am and most didn't close until at least midnight, and MK open until 2 or 3 am. This makes the crowded times manageable because it spreads out the crowds. There are still people who won't manage to hit the parks until 11 am or noon and be done by 3 pm and complain it was "too crowded" because they neglected to plan.

Also keep in mind that the increase in attendance can be correlated to Disney's increased marketing to other countries. I am thinking most notably the South American countries who seem to invade the parks at certain times of year. Also, WDW is heavily marketed to the people in England. So, while we as DVC might be expanding our horizons and use our points elsewhere, other people are taking our place at the parks. Good or bad, this is a reality in our global economy.

This family probably won't be back to WDW until the expansion is done at AK and HS.
 
Disney needs to have a price lower the UT's 4 day ph + 1 extra =($382.95 no water Parks) and still give us the water parks option for free.
There so called special DVC price for the same thing is $388.83 5 day with options. Not a big deal if you don't use options.
 
Disney needs to have a price lower the UT's 4 day ph + 1 extra =($382.95 no water Parks) and still give us the water parks option for free.
There so called special DVC price for the same thing is $388.83 5 day with options. Not a big deal if you don't use options.

I was thinking double the DVC discount on the annuals...

So my $469 premium AP that went 7/14-7/15 would now cost me $629 for the "platinum plus" to get equal benefit...and cause me to spend loads of cash at your fine dining establishment, watering holes, and unique one of a kind merchandise locales...

$180 Dollar increase in about 18 months x 4...

I'll take it...sound good? Let's draw it up...

But alas no...gotta hold that line on the useless $640 upcharge for photopass...which it's obvious they can't give away right now.

Wishful thinking...I suppose ;)
 
So…just saw that Members receive a discount for Cirque tickets. Told my guests that I can get a discount…but then went to the Cirque website and saw the same price! This is embarrassing. Am I missing something? What is the "discount"??
We got the DVC discount last September. You have to call Cirque and verify what shows qualify for the DVC discount. They'll tell you what seats are available too.
 
It turns a $315 five ticket into a $305 four day...
Oh that's so tacky.

When you factor in the cost of the water park portion of the ticket you end up saving about $38 per person.
On regular disney website - for our family of 5 (4 adults/1 kid) = 2188.60
DVC discount = $1996.90 (savings of 191.70)

Not a huge savings but for a family it helps. I was considering it, but then we figured that we are really not a water park family and we don't see taking a day away from the parks to hit the water parks. So if we take that out the water park portion we really are not saving much.

If you like the water parks then it can make sense.

We are park hoppers so having that is a necessity. the price of the ticket that we could get for 6 days with the hopper on UC is 1978.75 -- so some how a little better than even with the DVC discount. May be it is the taxes that Disney charges
 
To get use out of the water parks...you typically need to spend at least 7 days In wdw...shorter stays require the park hopper to utilize the water parks...

But longer tickets equal less "savings" under this deal.

It's a drop in the bucket after several years of massive increases to tickets In particular in the aggregate.

They'll lose nights and secondary spending money spent from me...which is the point of DVC in the first place. Not "ticket revenue"
 
Sometimes I wonder if we overthink how much actual work the DVC "perks" team puts into acquiring these. It's fairly shocking how little thought or effort is often put in to business decisions (yes, including large corporations that we all think "have it together"). I highly doubt the perks team "fought" to get this discount. More likely, someone said "hey, what can we throw at them, these parties and card don't seem like enough" and the parks division said "what about an extra day?" and the perks team said "sounds good" and then marketing/pr spun it up in the fancy package we see today and it all took place over the span of maybe 2 days/meetings/emails. I really doubt there was much time spent on it, business processes just don't tend to work that way, in my experience.

That said, all ticket perks have been restrictive since we bought in 2006. The best perk, in my opinion, was the old AP discount as long as you were planning to go for at least 10 days over the course of the year and even that was just kinda okay. I understand the frustration I read here though I don't share it (just my laid back personality). Yes, we bought a timeshare and aren't "entitled" to anything else but DVC SELLS the "magic" of the perks during their sales pitch. They specifically emphasize those as a part of the "membership" - at least they did when we bought our DVC. Contracts are what I do in business so I, personally, knew better but when a customer is sold something with a specific expectation and then that expectation isn't met, it is pretty reasonable to feel frustration over perks that aren't really that great, even if they aren't entitled to them.

Believe me Disney is much different from many business processes. Each division is similar to a separate company. They spent almost a year working on this project. And your scenario is not how it happens. They have to present to Tickets, a contract for what they would like then they have to negotiate. This can go on for months.

With Parks for the special after hours events it is even more detailed. One other factor is they are paying for this and this celebration can't break the bank and cause them to have to offer less services to members because of it. It is very much a balancing act and I am sure the cost for the after hours at the MK is huge.
 
Believe me Disney is much different from many business processes. Each division is similar to a separate company. They spent almost a year working on this project. And your scenario is not how it happens. They have to present to Tickets, a contract for what they would like then they have to negotiate. This can go on for months.

With Parks for the special after hours events it is even more detailed. One other factor is they are paying for this and this celebration can't break the bank and cause them to have to offer less services to members because of it. It is very much a balancing act and I am sure the cost for the after hours at the MK is huge.
Lol...in reality they are not nearly that efficient.

I often have said that wdw - in particular - runs in spite of itself. Where else can you have a clerk charge you $600 a night for a room
After what amounts to 1.5 days of training?

But having seen the great oz for a few years face to face...they always try be completely professional from a business standpoint...but often fall short. You get what you're willing to pay for...Wharton isn't in the budget.
 
Believe me Disney is much different from many business processes. Each division is similar to a separate company. They spent almost a year working on this project. And your scenario is not how it happens. They have to present to Tickets, a contract for what they would like then they have to negotiate. This can go on for months.

With Parks for the special after hours events it is even more detailed. One other factor is they are paying for this and this celebration can't break the bank and cause them to have to offer less services to members because of it. It is very much a balancing act and I am sure the cost for the after hours at the MK is huge.

I am asking this in all seriousness and because I am genuinely curious. Did you work for Disney in this kind of process or something similar? I don't doubt there is a process between divisions. :) I suppose I was being flippant about the time line but I still don't think the amount of precision sometimes imagined on the DIS goes into this process. I didn't mean to imply they were not professional or a serious business, because I do believe they are. I know from personal experience with very large, segmented, international companies, that even big business decisions aren't always made in a thoughtful, precise way and it stuns me sometimes with my A type business personality. Ha!
 
I am asking this in all seriousness and because I am genuinely curious. Did you work for Disney in this kind of process or something similar? I don't doubt there is a process between divisions. :) I suppose I was being flippant about the time line but I still don't think the amount of precision sometimes imagined on the DIS goes into this process. I didn't mean to imply they were not professional or a serious business, because I do believe they are. I know from personal experience with very large, segmented, international companies, that even big business decisions aren't always made in a thoughtful, precise way and it stuns me sometimes with my A type business personality. Ha!

Yes very much familiar with the workings of a large company similar to Disney. As to the process DVC went through for this anniversary package, I asked. I have a close friend in management and there is no reason for him to lie to me. I have watched them over the last year try to get the many pieces of this huge puzzle together to offer to the members. Many times due to this friendship I know before what they hope to offer but are not allowed to share that. I would never jeopardize his job or our friendship to scoop a story.

Believe me it is a huge process. Each division very much a company within a corporation. They all have budgets that have to balance and they all are very protective of their division. Getting the MK for extra hours is huge. Try and think of what is involved in keeping a park open for an hour. It is also very, very expensive and DVC is having to pay that amount to the parks division. Just because they have Disney in their name does not mean they get any of this for free.
 
I am asking this in all seriousness and because I am genuinely curious. Did you work for Disney in this kind of process or something similar? I don't doubt there is a process between divisions. :) I suppose I was being flippant about the time line but I still don't think the amount of precision sometimes imagined on the DIS goes into this process. I didn't mean to imply they were not professional or a serious business, because I do believe they are. I know from personal experience with very large, segmented, international companies, that even big business decisions aren't always made in a thoughtful, precise way and it stuns me sometimes with my A type business personality. Ha!

I did...

And yes, there are compartmentalized little units for accounting purposes.

But the reality is that those working on anything but the highest levels (think 8 figure salaries) have almost no say on how and where a nickel is spent. It's been near oligarchy since the late 90's.

So while everything that is collected as far as revenue is assigned to particular sources and costs are associated with those...it's a public company with stock...they're isn't too much "negotiating" going on between units.

Most "ideas" outside of Anaheim are generated via memo or email from Anaheim. Such is life.

I'm not saying the poster is implying or saying that...I may be misreading it. But Disney, wdw, DVC does not operate like some textbook experiment in Adam smith. It's tightly controlled and almost no one has any say/power.

Al weiss was the "president" of wdw primarily because he was local for 15 years. On his off days he could be found hanging on the shelf at Home Depot in isle 4 next to the hammers. That's how you "get ahead" in the oligarchy.

The attempt of this DVC promo is obviously to pull a fringe number of willing members to fill out shortfalls in their forecasts using a different tactic: the classic eisnerian strategy of "year long celebrations"

I get it...it is what it is...

I had a bit of hope that something tangible would be offered to DVC...the loyal silent minority (but largest subset - or very close to Florida residents) of the wdw customer base...on Saturday.

But that was my fault...I know better. A cake is just a cake. DVC is too quiet with the operational and pricing changes at wdw and keep going. I have no doubt many are "jumping on" this promo...which can only honestly be described as table scraps.

We all can move on now.
 













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