DUES Info! - All resorts dues have been released

[zackiedawg]

I think the lower dues in general follow inversely from the point charts. Higher point charts for the basic room categories - lower dues, and vice versa.

GF is generally the highest points in WDW. Cabins at Ft Wilderness are the lowest. BLT and CCR are middle pack.

I picked the cheapest points season (Sep), and compared the cheapest 1-bedroom you could get at each resort for a 4-night stay Fri - Tue (I did this because that's specifically what I was looking to book and always travel to Disney in September):

1. FWC - 56
2. AKL - 74
3. OKW - 90
4. BW - 92
5. SSR - 97
6. CC - 110
7. BLT - 112
8. BR - 116
9. Poly - 124
10. Riv - 126
11. BCV - 133
12. VGF - 144

What I found interesting is that I never realized how cheap the std view AKL could be - I only ever stayed in Savannah view Jambo. Boardwalk also comes in cheaper than I thought, but I have almost never stayed in a 'resort view' - only Garden or Boardwalk. I always consider SSR one of my cheap options when I don't want to spend as many points at BW - yet technically I could stay at BW for less! Another interesting find was that BLT could be cheaper than Boulder Ridge - I stay at Boulder Ridge a lot, but generally avoid BLT as it seemed pricier - again, I always had Theme park view rooms there - though I generally prefer the overall resort feel and rooms in Boulder over BLT anyway - I'm not as into the big 'condo' looking towers. I've never stayed at VGF on points, because I just couldn't justify the outlay when I could stay at places I like much more for far less points - even though I have stayed at GF on the hotel side several times.

Sorry - little off-topic here, but just found it interesting - and it does seem to follow that the lower dues tend to fall on the higher point resorts.

 

[WinterSolider]

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[VGCgroupie]

I’ve noticed a difference in materials used across resorts and thinking that might factor in too. We’ve stayed at our 2 home resorts BWV and VGF BPK several times the last couple years. We lucked out being the 2nd party in a newly refurbed BWV in 2023, then stayed again last month. Things like the doors, cabinets, counters, etc were made out of less durable materials than VGF BPK. I’m thinking higher upfront material costs might be saving maintenance costs down the line? Boardwalk was already having issues with the cheaper type bathrooms cabinets and door damaging each other. Now that’s also explained by planning, but those and some other materials around the room seemed more vulnerable to wear and tear than VGF BPK.

I agree. This new IKEA quality stuff they used at Poly Tower and VDH is really gonna come back to bite them in the upcoming years.

 

[WinterSolider]

I’m going to propose a theory that may offend some but that’s never stopped me before. low point chart rentals attract customers that beat the snot out of the property, and leave a Herculean mess for housekeeping. They are not owners, their financial investment is limited to the current trip. Higher end rentals attract higher end guests.

I'm not offended, but no.

First of all, renting is a miniscule portion of DVC stays in percentage terms. Second, OKW is extremely unpopular with renters. Have you ever spent time in a DVC rental Facebook group? The #1 request by a mile is "looking to rent points anywhere except for Old Key West or Saratoga Springs." Renters are not lining up to book OKW just because it's cheap. The jankiest renters I run into are usually looking for Poly, Boardwalk, and Beach Club.

Just walk around the resorts, visually. Old Key West and Saratoga Springs have a way higher percentage of owners-as-guests than the other properties do.

 

[Stank]

17% inflation on housekeeping, huh?

I know the line is these are “legally accurate” charges, but I’ve had similar discussions with public utility commissioners who insist natural gas pricing isn’t marked up by the gas company. Tough to believe any of that when the gas rate is equivalent to $5-7 natural gas through the summer, when natural gas prices never went above $4 and were $2-3 at local hubs with regularity as my gas company billed all ratepayers at a $6 gas price.

There’s a gap between the reality of being overcharged vs. only charging cost as legally required. Especially given we have the published rates for Disney housekeeping and the labor rate is a third of what they’re claiming it costs them in dues.

 

[Sandisw]

I think I know the answer to this, but would a dues increase like this up the amounts brokers might be willing to pay you to rent your points? I think the answer is no because I suspect that is driven much more by rack rates, although presumably increases in dues also generally correlate with increases in rack rates. Just a question that has crossed my mind thinking about all this.

I don’t know for sure, but I think that they would base it on supply and demand?

If they have a lot of would be renters but not enough owners offering points, they’d increase what they pay

 

[Stank]

But everything else was going up. And IMO Disney uses more metal/concrete than just straight lumber construction from what I have seen.

"The price of building materials generally went up in 2025, with overall construction costs projected to rise between 5-7%. While some materials like lumber saw slight quarterly decreases, year-over-year increases were substantial, driven by factors like tariffs, supply chain issues, and demand. Some specific items, such as drywall, house wrap, and certain metals, experienced significant double-digit percentage increases. "

Housekeeping went up 17% on dues despite the published Disney numbers of a contractual 4.35%.

Given they clean the rooms once a week, I’m guessing 98% of housekeeping costs are labor—the labor that is going up $1 an hour, not 17%.

 

[WinterSolider]

I’m guessing 98% of housekeeping costs are labor

You're guessing wrong.

 

[Tatebeck]

Housekeeping went up 17% on dues despite the published Disney numbers of a contractual 4.35%.

Given they clean the rooms once a week, I’m guessing 98% of housekeeping costs are labor—the labor that is going up $1 an hour, not 17%.

Housekeeping wages increased/are increasing from $20 to $24 from 2023-2026 which is around 20%, so that is around 7% per year plus the rising costs of everything else.

Also they clean once every 4 days to a week depending on the stay or when someone checks out. If more people are doing shorter stays/more split stays that also requires more cleaning

 

[VGCgroupie]

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[Sandisw]

I know many say this but I just dont get it. Since CCV is relatively low has low % increases and has a great point chart, up until this round of increases BLT increases and dues are low and also has a good point chart.

You have to compare though the actual costs against total points for that specific resort, not necessarily across resorts.

That is because the operating costs, while similar, are not exactly the same for each.

If CCV had the same point chart as VGF, the per point dues amount would be a lot less for the CCV owners.

 

[Sandisw]

I have two things in there, I can RSVP for the annual meeting or I can share feedback.

Keep scrolling down. It should be under 2025 information.

It’s after the Opt Out button

 

[Genie+]

I agree. This new IKEA quality stuff they used at Poly Tower and VDH is really gonna come back to bite them in the upcoming years.

I haven’t gotten to see those in person yet but we did get to stay in a BLT studio shortly before the recent refurb. I was very impressed by how well the kitchenette stood up! Especially considering it was ~15 years old at that point. It’s the best WDW DVC kitchenette imho, though we haven’t tried WL, PIT or RIV yet. But yeah - great planning and materials that can withstand plenty of wear and tear works out the best.

 

[Stank]

Housekeeping wages increased/are increasing from $20 to $24 from 2023-2026 which is around 20%, so that is around 7% per year plus the rising costs of everything else.

Also they clean once a week or when someone checks out. If more people are doing shorter stays/more split stays that also requires more cleaning

$1 increase of $23 to $24 is 4.35% year over year.

Annual dues up 17%.

If you combine 3 years of dues increases for housekeeping, it’s far more.

 

[Stank]

You're guessing wrong.

It was slight sarcasm.

But not really. If you’re cleaning rooms once a week, you’re not using many chemicals. But you’re employing someone that entire time. So the cost ratio of labor for DVC is substantially higher than Disney hotels.

Labor is the largest component of most industries. DVC, even more lopsidedly so. So if labor is going up 4.35%, you’re telling me a 17% hike is justified? That would mean labor is the minority or housekeeping costs (it isn’t) and that non-labor housekeeping costs are surging—they aren’t.

 

[Tatebeck]

$1 increase of $23 to $24 is 4.35% year over year.

Annual dues up 17%.

If you combine 3 years of dues increases for housekeeping, it’s far more.

It's a $4 increase over 3 years which is 1.33/yr not 1/yr. Also they would be in the second of the 3 years, not the third. so it would be $21.33 increase to $22.66 which is around 6.235%. Still not 17%, but then you have to add increased cost of anything they are replenishing or replacing, plus possible higher number of cleanings if there are more shortened stays, possible overtime if there is a shortage, etc.

If there is a place to get a further breakdown of all the costs I'd love to see it, but IDK if they are just throwing extra high numbers out there to artificially increase our dues which seems to be what you are suggesting

 

[Brian Noble]

SR 47% more for taxes,,whats up with that.

Those are income taxes, not property taxes. This is because they anticipate more income to the association via breakage, interest, etc.

it looks like most of these are way above the inflation rate... shouldn't they be around the inflation rate?

This is possibly because of the Baumol Effect. Most of the labor in a WDW resort cannot be made more efficient by technology*, etc. and so one should expect those labor costs to rise slightly higher than inflation. And, labor is the dominant cost in Dues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect

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*: This isn't universally true---direct-to-room check-in probably allowed WDW to cut a few front desk positions here and there.

 

[Stank]

It's a $4 increase over 3 years which is 1.33/yr not 1/yr. Also they would be in the second of the 3 years, not the third. so it would be $21.33 increase to $22.66 which is around 6.235%. Still not 17%, but then you have to add increased cost of anything they are replenishing or replacing, plus possible higher number of cleanings if there are more shortened stays, possible overtime if there is a shortage, etc.

If there is a place to get a further breakdown of all the costs I'd love to see it, but IDK if they are just throwing extra high numbers out there to artificially increase our dues which seems to be what you are suggesting

But..17% is just the hike in dues this year for housekeeping, which should apply to the labor increase in 2026 alone, not 3 years worth. I don’t know why 2023 labor is relevant given they increased dues for labor accordingly back then.

So, 4.35% increase in housekeeping labor for 2026, yet the dues went up 17% for 2026 housekeeping labor.

 

[Tatebeck]

So, 4.35% increase in housekeeping labor for 2026, yet the dues went up 17% for 2026 housekeeping labor.

No a 6%+ increase (again $1.33 increase, not $1) in housekeeping labor for 2026 + increase in other housekeeping costs = 17% total increase

Obviously there are more costs to the broad "housekeeping" category than just labor...

 

[Stank]

No a 6%+ increase in housekeeping labor for 2026 + increase in other housekeeping costs = 17% total increase

Obviously there are more costs to the broad "housekeeping" category than just labor...

BLT

Housekeeping - 16,99% increase
Ad valorem taxes - 11,03% increase
Administration and Front Desk - 10,51% increase
Income Taxes - 10,40% increase
Transportation - 9,86% increase
Management Fee - 8,32% increase
Security - 8% increase

Capital Reserves Budget - 3,21% increase thanks to interest income

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I guess I saw a 17% increase in “housekeeping” to apply to “housekeeping.”