Dude, get up

[Disneyhappy]

I agree that no one should expect that someone give up their seat for someone else. If a seat is important, wait for the next bus. However, DH always gives up his seat to anyone who is standing. And I find myself a proud mother that our DS has taken his father's lead. If we are on a bus that has people standing, both DH and DS give up their seats and stand. Are my DS and DH better than people who consciously have no intention of ever giving up their seat? No - they are not. I assume it is their upbringing and obviously acceptable to many people based on responses on this board. Therefore, I do not judge people who do not give up their seats. That said, I am very proud to be married to my DH, based on our upbringing and values are alike!

 

[goofy4tink]

You must've had them when you were very young! Don't you have a 13-year-old, too? I thought maybe you had transposed the numbers!

Ahhhhh, over 21 at the time. So, 34 y/o Drew, 31, y/o Chrys, and almost 14 Kate (next month)...keeps me young.

Hey, no sucking up to the moderator! She is apparently very youthful at heart...

Now back to the topic at hand

Ah, sucking up is always acceptable...in fact it's preferable to bickering!!!

Shocking, isn't it, since just the other day the same daughter was 32? Er, I mean, because goofy4tink in person doesn't look much older than 31 herself (and I really DO mean that!).

She'll be 32 on her next birthday...stop quibbling.
So....basically...I'm older than I look but still get up and offer my seat to anyone, male or female, who looks like they need it more than I.
The bottom line is.....no amount of discussion is going to end with everyone on the same page....hasn't yet, don't think it ever will. But, as long as the discourse is polite and no one is being rude, then have at it.

 

[TSAONE]

bump

 

[xnascar2x]

When we were down at WDW a few weeks ago, I gave my seat up everytime and I was holding onto our stroller.

 

[delilah]

I recall reading a few weeks ago that one poster had been yelled at by either other guests or by the bus driver for not wanting to get on the bus when they were going to have to stand. So, it doesn't always necessarily suit everybody or anybody no matter what you decide to do.

 

[the Fidge]

Just for the point of information, we have either driven down or rented a car in the past for our trips.

I agree entirely with the poster that reminded me what one man's manner maybe ones man offense!

I never EXPECT ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD! The fact that I open my eyes every morning means I have already hit the lottery for the day. For that exact reason is why I will joyfully offer my seat for anyone else. My motto is thank God I can get up. There are way too many chair bound folks and those that may have something that hurts that I don't!

I am not a bra burner and still love the kindness of a well mannered man! I try to instill in my son that being a gentleman is a timeless thing. I also had a poster from the 70s growing up that stated smiles are contageous and I pray manners are too!

How I conduct myself is on me and my expectations of me not of another human being. If I did expect the world and all in it to conduct themselves how I think they should I would be a very sad person!

The one thing I can say about my experiences gicving up my seat or doing some other kind gesture is the gratitude I get back reminds me that a smile is a priceless thing!

 

[kandb]

From reading these posts, it's obvious that some men were not taught to be gentlemen. The OP was holding a small baby, any man (who is not disabled), should of offered her his seat IMO. If I was on a bus and my dh did not get up to offer this woman his seat, I would of given him a little kick to remind him that he is a gentleman. I really find it sad that no one offered her their seat. Linda

 

[GEM]

First, let me say that before I had a very little one to deal with, I often gave up my seat to someone needing it more. My husband always offers his up as well. In fact, in June of 2006, I took a group of 10 high school students on a theatre trip to Disney, staying at Pop Century. I institued what we called a "bus courtesy policy". The kids (boys and girls) all knew that, if anyone got on that bus that needed a seat I expected the closest one of my kids to hop up and offer them theirs. They got lots of compliments and actually enjoyed looking for people they could help out.

Having said that, I would never expect anyone else to give up a seat for me, even when I'm carrying my sleeping pre-schooler. It would be nice if they would, but I won't get on a full bus expecting it. My safety and the safety of my child is MY responsibility and nobody else's. If the bus is too full, we just step aside and tell the people behind us to go ahead, that we will wait for the next bus. We've done this many, many, many times and never had any problems. To me, it's just makes more sense that cramming on to a full bus with a small child and then expecting someone to accomodate me because I "deserve" their seat.

 

[mgilmer]

Well let me put on my fireproof underwear -- there, now I am ready:

Any male who can and would not give up his seat for a lady (with or without child) is not a Man, only a whiny selfish little boy in an overgrown body. And any parent who would allow their child to sit in a seat and make a lady with a baby stand is the poorest excuse for a parent I can think of short of being a child abuser. Now go ahead and take your shots!

 

[aubriee]

I recall reading a few weeks ago that one poster had been yelled at by either other guests or by the bus driver for not wanting to get on the bus when they were going to have to stand. So, it doesn't always necessarily suit everybody or anybody no matter what you decide to do.

Sorry, but I'm not standing on a moving bus. I take my 10 y/o GD with me quite often and she is not standing either. I have balance problems and unless you want me in your lap you wouldn't want me standing. However, that's my problem and no one else's. We simply will not get on a bus that looks like it's going to be standing room only. We always step aside and anyone behind us that wants to get on can and anyone that's like us and wants a seat, will wait just like we do. No bus driver can or will make you get on a standing room only bus. Now, even at 10 y/o I will put my GD on my lap. Yes, it's uncomfortable, but it's only for a few minutes and it does free up a seat for someone who needs it. What we usually do is let her sit until someone gets on who looks like they need it more (someone with a small child or elderly).

What's rude to me is someone who gets on a full bus with a small child expecting someone to give up their seat. I remember a couple of years ago sitting on a bus when a young couple tried to squeeze onto a very packed bus and the man yelled out that his wife was pregnant and demanded to know who was going to give her a seat. Someone about halfway down the aisle yelled out, "Well I didn't get her pregnant, nor am I insisting she get on a bus that's already packed, so it looks like your problem. Besides pregnancy is not a handicap, wait for the next bus." If his attitude had been a little different I'm sure someone would have been happy to offer her a seat. However, he started yelling and demanding as soon as they were stepping up onto the bus. Again they were like the last ones getting on that packed bus. They saw how packed it was before they tried to squeeze on. To me that was rude. If you know you are going to need a seat, wait for the next bus and you will be guaranteed a seat. I assure you there are people behind you who are willing to stand and will appreciate the chance to get on a bus sooner.

 

[goofy4tink]

Well let me put on my fireproof underwear -- there, now I am ready:

Any male who can and would not give up his seat for a lady (with or without child) is not a Man, only a whiny selfish little boy in an overgrown body. And any parent who would allow their child to sit in a seat and make a lady with a baby stand is the poorest excuse for a parent I can think of short of being a child abuser. Now go ahead and take your shots!

I think that may be excessive but this is America, and you're entitled to your opinion. Once again, how do you blame someone if they were not raised that way? I was raised to not go around casting aspersions on others, especially those unknown to me.
Time to take a few deep breaths here.....lets try not to get riled up and start casting those aspersions around. Enough said??

 

[WillCAD]

Well let me put on my fireproof underwear -- there, now I am ready:

Any male who can and would not give up his seat for a lady (with or without child) is not a Man, only a whiny selfish little boy in an overgrown body. And any parent who would allow their child to sit in a seat and make a lady with a baby stand is the poorest excuse for a parent I can think of short of being a child abuser. Now go ahead and take your shots!

Well, I'm not going to take any shots at you, despite the shots you just took at me. I'm not a whiny selfish boy, not-not-not-NOT!

Besides, insults and personal attacks are the last resort of those for whom logic and reason have failed to proove their point.

Ya big meany!

 

[seashoreCM]

- It makes the same amount of sense that a Guest in need of a seat on a moving vehicle would board a bus on which there were no seats available, in hopes of another Guest getting up, instead of either stepping aside at the front of the line or even getting off the bus upon realizing there was no seating, to wait for the next bus.

Some day I will start a new thread making this a poll question.

Do All Star Movies guests and Port Orleans Riverside guests and guests on the west side of Caribbean Beach rent cars more often since by the time shared/multistop buses get there the seats are much more likely to be filled?

 

[kaytieeldr]

You could probably add Epcot-area CMs to that poll, seashoreCM, since apparently those five resorts share a single bus - and there's a "POR horror" thread on the Resorts board right now where some of those Guests indicate forty-five minute rides to Animal Kingdom because of all the bus stops.

 

[hsmamato2]

My kids and I have given our seats up many times for someone who diserves them more. Come on people, common courtesy goes a long way.

I agree,so why would a late comer on the bus deserve a seat more than the first in line? please enlighten me?
It's funny-seems the people who "deserve" to sit are usually the ones who board last.....
Just kidding here, if I or any of my able bodied family sees someone in need,we get up. As in a visible disability,holding a baby,elderly/frail etc.
Sorry,but I'm not superman,don't have xray vision,can't detect all these 'invisible disabilities'-nor is it my responsibility to do so.
If someone in my party has a disability,I make sure we're in a position to give them what's needed-my responsibilty.If my kids are falling down tired,it's my responsibilty to leave earlier,and get them to bed. Otherwise,they can stand for a few more (very tired) minutes-
I also don't think that any one person 'deserves' a seat in most instances- it's first come,first served,and it's easy enough to stand to the side,and wait for the next bus.
I have my own personal schedule when it comes to catching the bus, and it rarely involves standing in long lines or fighting for a seat.....
Guess what? we're all paying guests,and we all deserve a seat when we're tired!!! Sometimes we get it,sometimes,we STAND!,heck-it still beats walking back to the hotel!
I like old fashioned manners as much as anyone, but let's not forget, in the days of good manners,it went BOTH ways- as in I wouldn't PRESUME upon another person,due to my good manners,and someone else might give me their seat,due to their own good manners.

 

[Lewisc]

A person can always wait for the next bus, and get a seat. Once a person boards a bus, without any available seats, that person is telling everyone they don't care if they stand. I might give up my seat but if I'm very tired I might not.

There is no policy that says all seats to to females and all males have to stand.

Guests who don't want to stand should rent a car, be prepared to wait for the next bus or just avoid taking a bus at park opening and park closing. For much of the day the buses have empty seats.

Well let me put on my fireproof underwear -- there, now I am ready:

Any male who can and would not give up his seat for a lady (with or without child) is not a Man, only a whiny selfish little boy in an overgrown body. And any parent who would allow their child to sit in a seat and make a lady with a baby stand is the poorest excuse for a parent I can think of short of being a child abuser. Now go ahead and take your shots!

 

[bavaria]

"POR horror" thread on the Resorts board right now where some of those Guests indicate forty-five minute rides to Animal Kingdom because of all the bus stops.

Actually, I believe that the thread is called 'nightmare', not 'horror'....

And yet again this thread shows that there will never be a 'winner' to this argument, or even a 'right' answer.

• Those that want a seat think that others should volunteer a seat.
  
• Those that can't stand try and point out why not everyone offers a seat.
  
• Those that board first (often after waiting for an emptier bus) feel that they shouldn't have to give up a seat to late boarders

The fact is that even if as many people as possible try and be courteous, not every passenger will be able to sit on every bus.

And as is pointed out time and time and time and time again here, not every person who appears to be able bodied IS able bodied. Making assumptions about their manners or lack thereof based on physical appearances alone is unfair. I know many people who don't like the fact that they cannot offer a seat to someone in need. Yet why should they have to explain themselves? Many of the 'regular' posters on this thread are in this situation, or have family members in that situation.

Ultimately, whether or not we think that someone is being 'well mannered', it comes down to personal responsibility. If you really need/want a seat, wait for an emptier bus, or rent a car. Don't rely on strangers to ensure that your needs are met, or assume that your needs are more important than their needs.

 

[MinnieTink]

I haven't checked in for a few days...Wow. Seem to have started some arguments. Sorry 'bout that.

Just a few words. It was not a packed bus. We were the only ones standing. We did just get on last. I could not have known that there would be no room for me. Only about 10 people got on before me, but people from another resort were already boarded. One man took up two seats. I did not EXPECT anyone to get up for me, and I don't think I came across as whining in my original post. That was not what I wanted. I guess I am just used to the gentlepeople in my family (myself included) who would always get up and offer a seat for someone more in need. That's all.

 

[bavaria]

But OP hopefully you see now that there may be reasons why you were not offered a seat. I am not trying to make excuses for bad manners (and yes, I do hold doors for people, help unload strollers from busses etc)

We are simply trying to show the other side of the equation - that not everyone is necessarily bad mannered. If you want to avoid the situation in future, you do have a choice.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It's funny-seems the people who "deserve" to sit are usually the ones who board last.....

Well, since you mention it... I do 'deserve' a seat, but I board first. 99% of the time, anyway, because I'll be in an ECV. So right away I'm taking up three seats, then the bus driver generally prefers that we* move to regular bus seats because it's safer for everyone (higher center of gravity and all that) - so there goes a fourth seat, although if I can see the bus is going to be crowded, I'll ask to be strapped in instead, which takes more of the driver's time... but anyway, what was my point? Oh, right - so, nobody can sit on the ECV but I will always suggest that parents place their folded strollers safely on and around it, making holding their kids easier if they do have to stand. I'll even offer to hold a reasonably-aged, not-shy child.