DSLR for African Safari - Thoughts?

600mm is rarely needed for a safari, and most land-based wildlife for sure. It sounds like you'll need it, and might occasionally, but honestly most of the time you'll probably find yourself shooting in the 100-300mm range. Now, get into bird photography, and that 600mm will suddenly seem way too short. I shoot at 900mm all day, and STILL sometimes have to crop 50% to a near-1800mm equivalent to get real details on some birds...birders are well-known for never having a long enough lens. Ask a guy with a Canon 800mm F5.6 and a 2x TC, shooting 1,600mm on a crop body, or 2,560mm, and he'll STILL wish for something longer. It's a birder thing. :)
 
It is true, I've almost never had the need for 600mm. For most of my vacations, I stick to under 100mm. When I need something only for a limited time, I consider renting.

But.... the fz1000/rx10iii have the exact same learning curve as a dSLR.
They all have auto functions you can rely on, they all have lots of semi-auto functions, and they all have manual controls.
I had the rx100... I actually found my dSLR simpler.

Ok so what's your recommendation havoc? lol
 
Ok so what's your recommendation havoc? lol

Lol. If it's something you want to use for the long term, the decide on the size you want to carry, what you hope to use the camera for long term, how much time do you intend to devote to learning photography as a hobby, and whether you're willing to change lenses for improved quality.
That narrows it down, then it's a matter of how it looks and feels in your hand and the price.
For many people hoping to keep it small and simple, and if they don't need telephoto and they aren't doing large prints, I end up suggesting they stick to their phone.

Cameras like the rx100 and g9x are great for keeping it smallish with improved image quality for every day shooting.
Cameras like the fz1000 and rx10iii are great for people who don't mind carrying a slightly bigger camera, they needas long telephoto range for sports, wildlife, etc. And they want an all in one option without changing lenses.
For those who want the best image quality without breaking the bank, and are willing to change lenses as needed, maybe carry something a little bigger, an aps-c dSLR or mirrorless is a great option.
For those who want the absolute best in IQ, they don't mind some weight, they are willing to spend extra, and they are willing to devote the time to making it a big hobby, then consider full frame.
 
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Lol. If it's something you want to use for the long term, the decide on the size you want to carry, what you hope to use the camera for long term, how much time do you intend to devote to learning photography as a hobby, and whether you're willing to change lenses for improved quality.
That narrows it down, then it's a matter of how it looks and feels in your hand and the price.
For many people hoping to keep it small and simple, and if they don't need telephoto and they aren't doing large prints, I end up suggesting they stick to their phone.

There are 5 problems with my phone cam:
1) The zoom is worthless as zoomed pictures appear grainy. When someone takes a picture of me using zoom, I look like Mel Gibson in "The Man Without a Face."
2) Night pictures are worthless
3) Low Light pictures are worthless
4) In the middle of the afternoon, when the sun is out in full force, pictures are worthless.
5) There is no wide angle shots which I would find useful based on past trips. The FZ has a fairly large aperture which would make this a possibility.
 

There are 5 problems with my phone cam:
1) The zoom is worthless as zoomed pictures appear grainy. When someone takes a picture of me using zoom, I look like Mel Gibson in "The Man Without a Face."
2) Night pictures are worthless
3) Low Light pictures are worthless
4) In the middle of the afternoon, when the sun is out in full force, pictures are worthless.
5) There is no wide angle shots which I would find useful based on past trips. The FZ has a fairly large aperture which would make this a possibility.

1... so how much zoom do you realistically need?
2..what type of night pics? The solution is often a tripod, not the camera.
3.. low light is the holy grail. How low of light are you routinely shooting in? Are you willing to use flash? The rx100/fz1000 will give you slightly better low light performance than current phones. Not necessarily a huge difference. If you are shooting a lot of very low light, then you start talking about full frame dSLR with 1.4 prime lenses.
4..I don't understand this one. In bright light, you mean you just have trouble seeing the LCD? Other cameras are no better in bright light in terms of image quality.
5. Aperture has nothing to do with wide angle. The iPhone 7 has a larger aperture than the fz1000.
Wide angle is about the lens --
iPhone 7 is 28mm, if I recall.
Fz1000 is 25mm.
Rx10iii is 24mm.
So the fz1000 is slightly wider than the iPhone. And the rx10iii is a tiny bit wider than that.
I love shooting very wide angle-- 14mm-20mm range, but need dSLR and specialty lenses for that.
 
1) It's not really about the distance, it's optical vs. digital. The phone cam uses a digital zoom which is garbage. Optical is a true zoom which phone cams don't have. Although I guess the new iPhone does have a 2x. But I'm not making the switch to apple phones, just have no interest in that.
2) All kinds
3) Slightly better would likely do the trick
4) I've heard different. People have said the FZ performs extremely well under bright light. And what I mean is, if you are taking a picture of a landscape in the middle of the afternoon with an extremely bright sun, the image looks dark. I'm not really sure if I'm doing a good job of explaining it but it just doesn't look good on the phone cam.
5) Thanks for the correction.

At the end of the day, I'm not that happy with the images I'm capturing on my S7. So that's enough to make the switch to something "better." I'm not sure what the answer is yet. I asked a similar question on another forum though and nobody suggested a phone cam was the answer.
 
1) It's not really about the distance, it's optical vs. digital. The phone cam uses a digital zoom which is garbage. Optical is a true zoom which phone cams don't have. Although I guess the new iPhone does have a 2x. But I'm not making the switch to apple phones, just have no interest in that.
2) All kinds
3) Slightly better would likely do the trick
4) I've heard different. People have said the FZ performs extremely well under bright light. And what I mean is, if you are taking a picture of a landscape in the middle of the afternoon with an extremely bright sun, the image looks dark. I'm not really sure if I'm doing a good job of explaining it but it just doesn't look good on the phone cam.
5) Thanks for the correction.

At the end of the day, I'm not that happy with the images I'm capturing on my S7. So that's enough to make the switch to something "better." I'm not sure what the answer is yet. I asked a similar question on another forum though and nobody suggested a phone cam was the answer.

1... It still is a matter of how much. For example, the $3000 RX1 camera only has 1x zoom, stuck at 35mm. Do you just want 60-90mm, so you can take headshot portraits without getting in the person's face? Do you want 200mm, some sports photos from the sideline, some detailed wildlife photos at the zoo? Do you want 400mm, so you can take some wildlife distance photos from the distance? Want 600mm so you can do birding and distant wildlife? Essentially all zoom degrades images unless you are using $5000+ gear. As you zoom in, you need faster shutter speeds, which bumps up ISO, degrading the image. As you zoom in with most kit lenses, and the FZ100 and RX10iii, your aperture gets smaller, again bumping up the ISO and degrading the image. Thus, the absolute best zoom device in the world, is your own 2 feet. But there are times when your own feet won't do. So you need to decide how much optical zoom you really need.
2... For night still lifes, any camera will do as long as it has some manual controls. It's a matter of knowing how to use a tripod. For night people pictures, it is a matter of knowing how to slow synch a flash. The camera itself won't make much of a difference. In the photography class I teach, I always ask everyone why they are taking the class. In my last session, someone said, "I bought an expensive camera to get better night time pics, but the pics look even worse than I was getting with my phone." -- It's more about using the gear correctly, than having the gear.
3.. with the FZ1000 and RX10iii, your low light images should be slightly less grainy... and let's put it this way... if you can currently take a phone pic with 3 lightbulbs shining in a room, those cameras may let you get the pic with 2 lightbulbs shining in the room instead. They will definitely offer some improvement, just don't expect night and day differences.
4... I've never had a bright light photograph taken with my phone, end up looking dark. Honestly, it sounds like either user error, or your phone camera is broken.
I always like to look at flickr to see what a camera is capable of:
These are from the S7 in bright light:
A Magical Morning by Charlene van Koesveld, on Flickr

Summerday, Zaanse Schans by Charlene van Koesveld, on Flickr

Praia Alvor by miu-miu, on Flickr

2016-05-22 09.47.02 by teonewman, on Flickr

So we know the S7 is very very capable in bright light, or getting breath taking images.

Unfortunately, in hobbyist and technical forums, everyone wants to recommend the gear they own, and there is a bias against camera phones (which are threatening the market for separate cameras). I'm not suggesting that a camera phone is the answer for you --- But simply switching cameras will not significantly improve your photos.
If you look at the S7 photos that I posted.... if I were to hand a $10,000 camera to someone who doesn't know what they are doing, their photos will be worse than those good S7 photos.
Great cameras are just potential. 5 years ago, I would say any dSLR on auto will give you clearly better results than any phone. Nowadays, phones have advanced quite a bit... a dSLR on auto will only give you marginal improvement over today's phones.

Anyway, I think you'd be happiest with one of the 1" fixed lens cameras.... Ranging from the RX100 to G9x to FZ1000 aod RX10 and some others. It depends on price, size, and the lens range you want. They will give you some much improved zoom (how much do you need is the question), marginally better low light performance (the RX100 and G9x will give you better low light performance than the FZ1000 and RX10iii, but less zoom... so which is more important to you, zoom or low light ability?) , and then you need to consider the price, size and feel of the options.
 
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I think I may get the FZ1000, spend some time learning the features to get a handle on it. Practice some shots before I go. And then later on, possibly try and upgrade to a DSLR with some gear for the trips I plan to take in the future.
 













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