drug testing for people with food stamps ???

[bsblady01]

so why not report them?

people have reported the hotel and nothing is ever done because it's privately owned

 

[Gracie09]

so why not report them?

The cost of The pool parties would go up

 

[Gracie09]

people have reported the hotel and nothing is ever done because it's privately owned

That makes no sense. Tax fraud is tax fraud whether it's a private company or not

 

[cijay]

Not automatically tested but if they have suspicions then I think they should do it. Likewise people getting unemployment cheques but saying they're looking for jobs. They should be providing proof that they have been looking "all over" for jobs.

 

[Missy1961]

That makes no sense. Tax fraud is tax fraud whether it's a private company or not

Exactly.

 

[bookgirl]

people have reported the hotel and nothing is ever done because it's privately owned

Well that makes sense, after all the IRS and Immigration would never bother with a company that is privately owned.

 

[Bianca and Bernard]

it is a local Hampton inn. we have pool party's at during the winter and I was talking with one of the workers, and she was telling me how she sends money back home too her husband and kids and she told me she was paid under the table. how they get away with it is crazy.

I want to make sure I'm understanding your point of view here.

You want to drug test people on welfare, because they are cheaters and drug addicts.
No one should shop in pjs or buy more than one basket of groceries at a time, lest they be labeled as using food stamps; also no nice cars for transportation.
Your brother runs a program for a section of New York, wherein people on food stamps/welfare get their college classes paid for, transportation to and from said classes and child care is covered; and you feel that it should be a nationwide program.
(You still haven't answered who pays for those classes/transportation/daycare yet)
People on food stamps have to make two orders for food where you are (which is not the way it is done across most of the US nowadays).
You believe that people who don't speak English aren't here legally, and get paid under the table, on the word of one person who may or may not have been telling the truth. Also, that people get away with paying people under the table in a business that is a nationwide chain.


BTW, that nationwide hotel chain would have kittens if it was reported. I don't buy that one.
I worked at fast casual food company, and when stores in one area got caught with people with bad papers, everyone in the company had to resubmit their paperwork to HR for verification.

 

[Missy1961]

I want to make sure I'm understanding your point of view here.

You want to drug test people on welfare, because they are cheaters and drug addicts.
No one should shop in pjs or buy more than one basket of groceries at a time, lest they be labeled as using food stamps; also no nice cars for transportation.
Your brother runs a program for a section of New York, wherein people on food stamps/welfare get their college classes paid for, transportation to and from said classes and child care is covered; and you feel that it should be a nationwide program.
(You still haven't answered who pays for those classes/transportation/daycare yet)
People on food stamps have to make two orders for food where you are (which is not the way it is done across most of the US nowadays).
You believe that people who don't speak English aren't here legally, and get paid under the table, on the word of one person who may or may not have been telling the truth. Also, that people get away with paying people under the table in a business that is a nationwide chain.


BTW, that nationwide hotel chain would have kittens if it was reported. I don't buy that one.
I worked at fast casual food company, and when stores in one area got caught with people with bad papers, everyone in the company had to resubmit their paperwork to HR for verification.

I'm going to quote my favorite TV show: "Don't ruin my story with your logic!" (as said by Rick Castle to Kate Beckett)

Thanks for the little fact about immigration status papers. I thought that was the case.

 

[bsblady01]

I want to make sure I'm understanding your point of view here.

You want to drug test people on welfare, because they are cheaters and drug addicts.
No one should shop in pjs or buy more than one basket of groceries at a time, lest they be labeled as using food stamps; also no nice cars for transportation.
Your brother runs a program for a section of New York, wherein people on food stamps/welfare get their college classes paid for, transportation to and from said classes and child care is covered; and you feel that it should be a nationwide program.
(You still haven't answered who pays for those classes/transportation/daycare yet)
People on food stamps have to make two orders for food where you are (which is not the way it is done across most of the US nowadays).
You believe that people who don't speak English aren't here legally, and get paid under the table, on the word of one person who may or may not have been telling the truth. Also, that people get away with paying people under the table in a business that is a nationwide chain.


BTW, that nationwide hotel chain would have kittens if it was reported. I don't buy that one.
I worked at fast casual food company, and when stores in one area got caught with people with bad papers, everyone in the company had to resubmit their paperwork to HR for verification.

it's a chain hotel that this man owns you can buy hotels like you can buy a mcdonalds

 

[bookgirl]

I want to make sure I'm understanding your point of view here.

You want to drug test people on welfare, because they are cheaters and drug addicts.
No one should shop in pjs or buy more than one basket of groceries at a time, lest they be labeled as using food stamps; also no nice cars for transportation.
Your brother runs a program for a section of New York, wherein people on food stamps/welfare get their college classes paid for, transportation to and from said classes and child care is covered; and you feel that it should be a nationwide program.
(You still haven't answered who pays for those classes/transportation/daycare yet)
People on food stamps have to make two orders for food where you are (which is not the way it is done across most of the US nowadays).
You believe that people who don't speak English aren't here legally, and get paid under the table, on the word of one person who may or may not have been telling the truth. Also, that people get away with paying people under the table in a business that is a nationwide chain.


BTW, that nationwide hotel chain would have kittens if it was reported. I don't buy that one.
I worked at fast casual food company, and when stores in one area got caught with people with bad papers, everyone in the company had to resubmit their paperwork to HR for verification.

Guess we know where the first two letters of her name came from.

 

[bsblady01]

I want to make sure I'm understanding your point of view here.

You want to drug test people on welfare, because they are cheaters and drug addicts.
No one should shop in pjs or buy more than one basket of groceries at a time, lest they be labeled as using food stamps; also no nice cars for transportation.
Your brother runs a program for a section of New York, wherein people on food stamps/welfare get their college classes paid for, transportation to and from said classes and child care is covered; and you feel that it should be a nationwide program.
(You still haven't answered who pays for those classes/transportation/daycare yet)
People on food stamps have to make two orders for food where you are (which is not the way it is done across most of the US nowadays).
You believe that people who don't speak English aren't here legally, and get paid under the table, on the word of one person who may or may not have been telling the truth. Also, that people get away with paying people under the table in a business that is a nationwide chain.


BTW, that nationwide hotel chain would have kittens if it was reported. I don't buy that one.
I worked at fast casual food company, and when stores in one area got caught with people with bad papers, everyone in the company had to resubmit their paperwork to HR for verification.

it's a chain hotel that this man owns you can buy hotels like you can buy a mcdonalds

 

[bsblady01]

I want to make sure I'm understanding your point of view here.

You want to drug test people on welfare, because they are cheaters and drug addicts.
No one should shop in pjs or buy more than one basket of groceries at a time, lest they be labeled as using food stamps; also no nice cars for transportation.
Your brother runs a program for a section of New York, wherein people on food stamps/welfare get their college classes paid for, transportation to and from said classes and child care is covered; and you feel that it should be a nationwide program.
(You still haven't answered who pays for those classes/transportation/daycare yet)
People on food stamps have to make two orders for food where you are (which is not the way it is done across most of the US nowadays).
You believe that people who don't speak English aren't here legally, and get paid under the table, on the word of one person who may or may not have been telling the truth. Also, that people get away with paying people under the table in a business that is a nationwide chain.


BTW, that nationwide hotel chain would have kittens if it was reported. I don't buy that one.
I worked at fast casual food company, and when stores in one area got caught with people with bad papers, everyone in the company had to resubmit their paperwork to HR for verification.

the state pays for the class and for childcare

 

[Bianca and Bernard]

it's a chain hotel that this man owns you can buy hotels like you can buy a mcdonalds

You are purchasing the rights to use the brand and it's policies. That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with them.
(And it's called franchising, just so you know)

 

[bookgirl]

it's a chain hotel that this man owns you can buy hotels like you can buy a mcdonalds

You buy franchise rights, you still have to obey the law and follow corporate policy. Although the way of the universe in your county does seem to run on an alternate path to the rest of the world, so I guess anything is possible.

 

[Missy1961]

the state pays for the class and for childcare

Again, I just don't believe this. If the state is paying for it, then they are getting that money from somewhere, and it just doesn't make sense that's available upstate but not downstate.

 

[Missy1961]

it's a chain hotel that this man owns you can buy hotels like you can buy a mcdonalds

But he still has to follow laws. And he can't pay a large number of workers under the table. He'd be in major trouble with the US Government.

 

[bsblady01]

But he still has to follow laws. And he can't pay a large number of workers under the table. He'd be in major trouble with the US Government.

I don't know how he is getting away with it but it had been happening since it opened in 2006

 

[DebbieB]

So I make a six figure salary, pay a lot of taxes and fail a drug test. Now I'm on food stamps...

Should I keep my job? Man, addiction is tough to beat.

Addiction is tough to beat. I have a friend whose daughter is a heroin addict. She's been in and out of rehab. She lost parental rights to her young daughter. I talked to her about 3 years ago, she talked about her dream of getting her daughter back. She got some visitation rights but blew it. Today her daughter has a new mom (baby daddy's new wife). It has cost her dearly but she can't kick it.

I'm not saying they should keep using drugs and get their food stamps. There has to be some form of treatment program. You can't just cut them off and leave them hungry on the street. That's why crime is so bad, a lot traces back to drugs. I don't know what the answer is but I don't think just cutting them off from assistance will work.

 

[bsblady01]

Again, I just don't believe this. If the state is paying for it, then they are getting that money from somewhere, and it just doesn't make sense that's available upstate but not downstate.

go look up the programs for new York state welfare. they have lots of programs to get people back on their feet. we even have programs that will help people buy their first home with help from the state it's called rupco.

 

[kaytieeldr]

When they test is it only for "illicit" drugs or prescription drugs? And then how do they handle it if someone tests positive, but they're on Rx meds for something like cancer? Do these people then get cut off? Just wondering how this all works?

The people that I have seen that use SNAP where I live, are not carrying around iPhones or driving fancy cars. I live in a very rural area, lots of farmland, lower wage average area, but our gas prices are always one of the higher avg, and food prices are not low here, either.

good question

It might have been better to ve (researched) all potential scenarios and questions before posting a topic "heard on e radio" briefly

you can just tell by what is in the cart and by the way they act

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Many supermarkets have a small monitor screen on a pole indicating the amount spent. For food stamp customers it might say something like "EBT total, $56.23, cash due $6.87" It's for the immediate customer's eyes, but it's easy for those behind them or in the next line to see it too.

It's only "easy" when the other customers aren't tending to their own groceries.

the two carts of food is a dead giveaway and the shopping in pj bottoms in the middle of the day is the other

Again, : I have to ask where you get your ideas

I was not talking about people taking care od foster kids I was talking about people that use drugs and don't want to work.

May I ask how 6ou, or any outside observer, tell the difference? Neither group wears labels.

It's not that hard really. Food stamps which isn't really food stamps, but a debit card basically, only pays for food, so the items that are not food, come up at the end as a balance due so the customer has to pay cash or cc or write a check, etc. for the balance. If you are just standing behind them unloading your own groceries, you can certainly see/hear what's being said.

Yes, I do think drug testing should be mandatory for welfare recipients.

Not if you're paying attention to your own shopping.

you do have to make towo orders since stamps to not cover none food items. so you got that wrong

They're not food stamps. It's now a debit card-like card, as has been described many times in this thread.

yes this is true after the food is taken off you are given a new total and they tell you how much you have left on your card. if you stand behind a person on stamps you can see it on the computer

Yet again, not if you're minding your own business.

%90 of them don't even work so no they don't pay taxes.

Where the heck do you get these so-called statistics?