Drawf mine train - are we setting ourselves up for disappointment?

[mesaboy2]

I wonder how this ride is different? Coasters that hang and swing from side to side have been around for ages.

I don't think that RnR and Everest are kiddie coasters. I think that they would rate about 5.5 to 6 on a 10 scale. A true kiddie coaster would be way lower.

This is the only coaster ride vehicle I know of that sits atop a conventional track and swings. Hard to tell how that sensation compares to the inverted-track coasters that I assume you're thinking of.

 

[Planogirl]

This is the only coaster ride vehicle I know of that sits atop a conventional track and swings. Hard to tell how that compares to the inverted-track coasters that I assume you're thinking of.

I'd have to see it to understand the difference I guess. Something must swing but I can't picture what it would be to make it so different.

 

[BebopBaloo]

I'd have to see it to understand the difference I guess. Something must swing but I can't picture what it would be to make it so different.

It doesn't hang. It's not attached by the top of the car, but by the bottom. Think of a glider swing that you can put on your patio...only one that goes side to side and is sitting on a roller coaster track.

 

[mesaboy2]

I'd have to see it to understand the difference I guess. Something must swing but I can't picture what it would be to make it so different.

Picture BTMRR, only the bottom of the car in which you sit swings out as you go around the corners. That's about the best I can do with mere words. One of these two active threads on 7DMT has a link to video animation. It's pretty different than an inverted coaster design.

 

[Planogirl]

It is different then. I somehow missed that it went side to side like a glider. (I also don't know why I thought it would be so much like a hanging coaster.)

That helps a lot! There have been coasters that move a bit that sit on a track but nothing like that.

 

[nansmama]

I would not call Expedition Everest or RnR "kiddie coasters".

Never been on those so I wasn't thinking of them.

 

[Darkwing981]

I am assuming the Dwarf Mine Train coaster is going to be a tamer, shorter, but infinitely better themed version of the old Big Bad Wolf coaster at Busch Gardens Williamsburg. In our Disney fan parlance, a D-ticket. I can be happy with that. I do think DMT will be a crowd pleaser, but if anyone is looking for an answer to HP or anything else UO has been up to lately they should look elsewhere.

For me, and maybe I am alone in this, the entirety of the Fantasyland Expansion is a bit of a joke just because of the ridiculous timeline. The very existence of all the construction walls and cranes looming over MK for so long has created this notion that something earth-shattering or jaw-dropping is coming. I just don't think that's the case. For whatever reason Disney has chosen to draw this thing out to absurd lengths. I just hope they haven't inadvertently bought themselves an unexpected PR nightmare.

Kinda have to agree there. I'm glad Disney put time and resources into expanding Fantasyland; but I think it could've been done on a much grander scale. First of all I like the idea of the TBOGR, but I think they could've put in a dark ride that could've served as a lead-in to the restaurant itself. Also instead of a typical meet-and-greet , Pete's Silly Side Show could've really expanded on the idea with a live circus show hosted by Pete complete with interactive features. And I think it would've been really great if Disney had dedicated an area of new Fantasyland to Pinocchio. I think the story of Pinocchio would've fit the theme of new Fantasyland perfectly and added another ride to the area.

Not to completely rag on New Fantasyland as I'm sure I'll enjoy it: but I think that Disney really limited themselves as far as making new Fantasyland really memorable.

 

[FortForever]

until it reacts by truly counter-punching Universal in the thrill ride department, it will continue to lose more and more guests.

EDITED: The caveat is Disney looks like it's hoping to just ride out the "newness" that keeps happening with Universal. Eventually the newness and popularity will wear off

So how do you explain the eternally long lines at Peter Pan?

 

[North of Mouse]

This. however, I can understand where the OP is coming from. I have thought that too. I hope that it has some level of thrill to it.

Actually. from the blogs on this, it will not be a 'thrill' ride in no way, it is in Fantasyland for kids after all. It's billed as a 'family' ride.

 

[nansmama]

So how do you explain the eternally long lines at Peter Pan?

Yes, this. If people were going to Disney mainly for thrill rides, the park would have tumbleweeds rolling through it by now. People go for the "Disney experience" more than for specific rides.

 

[asc]

let us just hope some of the awsome features are not like those at EE and result in some disco dwarfs like the disco yeti....

 

[LSUfan4444]

So how do you explain the eternally long lines at Peter Pan?


Yes, this. If people were going to Disney mainly for thrill rides, the park would have tumbleweeds rolling through it by now. People go for the "Disney experience" more than for specific rides.

I am not saying people go to Disney mainly for thrill rides at all. Quality family attractions will always be popular at Disney (Toy Story/Pooh/Peter Pan), which is expected at the number one family vacation destination in the world.

I am saying there are guests who want both, and previously they got both by heading to Universal for a day (or more) even while staying on Disney property.

To this point, Disney has combated the thrill ride explosion at Universal by offering more incentives for guests to stay on Disney properties and in Disney parks. Things like AP discounts for DVC owners, free dining, FP+, next gen RFID, Grand Floridian DVC are some examples of the big money items just at WDW. Meanwhile Universal Orlando seems to be putting their money into thrill rides.

Disney's tactics are evidence that are trying to incentivise guests to stay on property and visit Disney parks by secondary means and Universal's tactics seem to be more primary...."come to Universal for this attraction".

Yeah, Disney has the Fantasyland expansion, but it hasn't that much in the way of attractions. Maybe Avatarland and Carsland will change some of that.

 

[LSUfan4444]

So how do you explain the eternally long lines at Peter Pan?

The other explanation is you obviously are not arriving at rope drop



j/k

 

[Stacy's a freak]

let us just hope some of the awsome features are not like those at EE and result in some disco dwarfs like the disco yeti....

I just had a mental image of the dwarfs dancing around like the multiplicity oompaloompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

 

[damo]

It is different then. I somehow missed that it went side to side like a glider. (I also don't know why I thought it would be so much like a hanging coaster.)

That helps a lot! There have been coasters that move a bit that sit on a track but nothing like that.

From what I can see, it still does hang. It is just that it is hanging from waist height (like a cradle) instead of above your head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9LEhApDYY

 

[mesaboy2]

From what I can see, it still does hang. It is just that it is hanging from waist height (like a cradle) instead of above your head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9LEhApDYY

To swing, it has to hang from somewhere. The difference on 7DMT is that this point is on the ride vehicle and removed from the track, while on traditional inverted coasters the hang point is the track itself. May seem like a minor difference in terms of the effect on the rider--and that may very well be. But I'm sure from an engineering standpoint at least it is a significant difference, and I think this is one of the contributors to the prolonged time it has taken to get 7DMT open for business.

Thanks for those pics of the RV also, I've not seen them before!

 

[mm1971]

Maybe it's just me, but I sense a LOT of anticipation for the Drawf Mine Train. I think it's been a long while since Disney dropped an awesome ride on us (this while US has done HP) and it feels like there is a pent up hunger for something really cool.

And it seems like everyone is waiting for DMT, and even though we know it's a kids coaster (given placement in Fantasyland) I still feel like people are unconsciously anticipating something awesome.

I know that I can't quite help myself and sort of unconsciously am expecting something really cool.

Could it be crazy amazing? Yes.

But that seems unlikely.

I wonder if we're just setting ourselves up for disappointment by expecting too much.

I think it depends on your perspective. It is billed as new technology and that it will have features that no other coaster has from a technical and ride standpoint. I am looking forward to it. As much as we liked to ride Snow white for the nostalgic value, a new ride to enjoy is exciting. Maybe my expectations are different from yours and that is OK as well. We'll miss next year so will have to wait until 2015 to experience it.

 

[Tormania]

From what I can see, it still does hang. It is just that it is hanging from waist height (like a cradle) instead of above your head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9LEhApDYY

Now I had NOT seen this before about the swivel cars. That looks very cool!! A ride can be exciting and offer new experiences without having a 300'+ drop and 90+ mph like Millenium Force at Cedar Point or multiple inversions and such.

Now I just hope a giant bag of pixie dust is poured over the SDMT ride so it has a soft opening by Dec.

 

[Magpie]

Thanks for those pics of the RV also, I've not seen them before!

Seconding this! I actually find these pics very reassuring, as I'm not a huge fan of extreme coasters. I like that there's apparently no room for anything other than a lap belt, at most. I won't go on coasters that have over-the-shoulder restraints, as the need for that scares me.

This looks like a coaster I'd happily ride.

 

[damo]

To swing, it has to hang from somewhere. The difference on 7DMT is that this point is on the ride vehicle and removed from the track, while on traditional inverted coasters the hang point is the track itself. May seem like a minor difference in terms of the effect on the rider--and that may very well be. But I'm sure from an engineering standpoint at least it is a significant difference, and I think this is one of the contributors to the prolonged time it has taken to get 7DMT open for business.

Thanks for those pics of the RV also, I've not seen them before!

SDMT seems more like a suspended coaster than an inverted coaster.

Here's a picture of the suspended coaster Iron Dragon at Cedar Point...as you can see, the vehicles still swing. Big Bad Wolf at Busch Gardens was another suspended coaster. The swinging definitely adds an interesting element to the ride experience.

Or like Pteranadon Flyers at Islands of Adventure which swings from side to side.

Both of these suspended vehicles still swing around the corners. The point of suspension is just higher than it will be on SDMT.

With an inverted coaster like Dragon Challenge, there is no actual swinging.