Don't Strip your Kids!

I understand your point...but as a victim myself, maybe I'm more sensitive to just the THOUGHTS that may be going through people's minds.(I'm sure the things I have gone through give me a different perspective)

And on the off chance a pic WAS taken and put on the internet, whether they or I know about makes no difference to me. Irrational...maybe...But I could just never risk it myself.

Do I bash others for changing their kids in public?...no...not everyone thinks like I do and you know what they say about opinions:rolleyes:. The same thing can be said for parenting styles. There is NEVER a right or wrong way to do things. Just what works for you and your family right?

*I probably should have replied to MY post, but these were referring to mine! I'm NEW!!!


Okay...so yes...here are obvious WRONG ways of doing things...but you guys get the point!:rolleyes:
 
I understand your point...but as a victim myself, maybe I'm more sensitive to just the THOUGHTS that may be going through people's minds.(I'm sure the things I have gone through give me a different perspective)

And on the off chance a pic WAS taken and put on the internet, whether they or I know about makes no difference to me. Irrational...maybe...But I could just never risk it myself.

Do I bash others for changing their kids in public?...no...not everyone thinks like I do and you know what they say about opinions:rolleyes:. The same thing can be said for parenting styles. There is NEVER a right or wrong way to do things. Just what works for you and your family right?

*I probably should have replied to MY post, but these were referring to mine! I'm NEW!!!

Sure, but you can't control someone else's thoughts. And whether the child is innocently naked, or innocently wearing a bikini, or innocently fully clothed in one of those very modest rogue Mormon sect prairie dresses - there is some pervert who is going to find it provocative.

Granted, we aren't all rational creatures. But perverts are perverts - and I'm not sure how someone can be victimized by the unknown perverted thoughts of a stranger hundreds of miles away on the internet who doesn't know their name.

(I'm a sexual abuse victim myself - but we all have different ways of dealing with it.)
 
I don't think this qualifies as "nudity" as prohibited by park rules and I think that a CM or security would definitely be overstepping there bounds by telling a parent they cannot change their child's clothes in public, and opening themselves up to possible legal action by the parent if they pushed the issue. I just find it hard to believe having worked it a public serivce industry that a supervisor would authorize such action. It simply would not be worth the potential stink the parent would raise to say something after the fact. If the child was walking around nude then yes, but a mom just switching clothes would be over before anyone could get there to say anything.

So you work for Disney? Or maybe another theme park? ?????

SO the CM or security can tell you that a smoking sections is around the corner, or maybe that you should not hang on to that for safety..... but they can not inform you that a bathroom would be a better place to change clothing.
Oh I see the difference and your right... letting someone know customs and public courtesy is one big stink and LAWSUIT.
 
I am starting to think that there are very few topics that don't turn into heated debates here on the DIS!

:rotfl2:
 

I think my biggest concern would be over this is child predators. I mean you dont know who is around you. What kind of person is really standing beside you. There are good people out there who would think nothing of it but there are also bad people who would be staring at your child with ill thoughts and intentions.

I wouldn't have covered my son's eyes but I might have made it aware to him that I found it inappropriate that she was naked in front of so many people. I just feel we should teach our children that being naked is a private thing.
 
Sure, but you can't control someone else's thoughts. And whether the child is innocently naked, or innocently wearing a bikini, or innocently fully clothed in one of those very modest rogue Mormon sect prairie dresses - there is some pervert who is going to find it provocative.

Granted, we aren't all rational creatures. But perverts are perverts - and I'm not sure how someone can be victimized by the unknown perverted thoughts of a stranger hundreds of miles away on the internet who doesn't know their name.

(I'm a sexual abuse victim myself - but we all have different ways of dealing with it.)

I think being naked is giving the pervert an advantage as opposed to fully clothed children. Seriously that just brings the perverted thoughts to another level.

And you are right, you can't control what people think of you or your child or anyone for that matter. But you can control what they actually SEE.

I'm sorry you were a victim.
 
So you work for Disney? Or maybe another theme park? ?????

SO the CM or security can tell you that a smoking sections is around the corner, or maybe that you should not hang on to that for safety..... but they can not inform you that a bathroom would be a better place to change clothing.
Oh I see the difference and your right... letting someone know customs and public courtesy is one big stink and LAWSUIT.

Sarcasm aside I worked in a resturant for a long time in a position where I had a lot of public contact, especially the disgruntled public. Smoking areas and safety issues fall under the banner of things companies are mandated to inforce by law. Social customs and norms are not. As a business it would be considered discrimination for Disney to tell someone they couldn't do soemthing there is not posted rule agianst at the facility if it is not a threat to health or safety. It is lke me telling a guest with pink hair that they are not welcome in a resturant where there is not a posted dress code. While their link hair may be offensive to some patrons it is not a threat to anyone's health or safety so by law we have to allow it unless we make it part of the dress code for admission to the resturant. You just can't do that and expect no to eventuallt get sued by someone. You have to either post that something is prohibited onsite or deal with it. Untill Disney makes the rule they cannot legally tell soemone they cannot change their child in public.
 
I think my biggest concern would be over this is child predators. I mean you dont know who is around you. What kind of person is really standing beside you. There are good people out there who would think nothing of it but there are also bad people who would be staring at your child with ill thoughts and intentions.

I wouldn't have covered my son's eyes but I might have made it aware to him that I found it inappropriate that she was naked in front of so many people. I just feel we should teach our children that being naked is a private thing.

I agree with you, but it seems many people on here (parents?) think you have no control over what other people think, and even if a picture of your child naked is posted online it doesn't matter if you don't know about it, so they disagree with you and me. They see no harm in someone looking at pictures of their child, naked or not, online. YUK!
Not much seems to be private in the world these days does it?
 
I think being naked is giving the pervert an advantage as opposed to fully clothed children. Seriously that just brings the perverted thoughts to another level.

And you are right, you can't control what people think of you or your child or anyone for that matter. But you can control what they actually SEE.

I'm sorry you were a victim.

Agree!
I know perverted old men are looking at my pretty 18 year old daughter and thinking bad thoughts, but that doesn't make it OK for her to go ahead and dress like a tramp because, HEY, they are thinking bad stuff anyway! I get weary of fighting the battle of the butt crack pants;)
 
I think my biggest concern would be over this is child predators. I mean you dont know who is around you. What kind of person is really standing beside you. There are good people out there who would think nothing of it but there are also bad people who would be staring at your child with ill thoughts and intentions.

I wouldn't have covered my son's eyes but I might have made it aware to him that I found it inappropriate that she was naked in front of so many people. I just feel we should teach our children that being naked is a private thing.

That's more or less what I was TRYING to say! LOL...
 
I agree with you, but it seems many people on here (parents?) think you have no control over what other people think, and even if a picture of your child naked is posted online it doesn't matter if you don't know about it, so they disagree with you and me. They see no harm in someone looking at pictures of their child, naked or not, online. YUK!
Not much seems to be private in the world these days does it?

Explain to me how it makes any difference if a pervert is getting off on a photo of your clothed child or your naked child?

Both are pretty ick. I'm not justifying the ick - I am wondering why clothed or unclothed makes a difference.

I don't think a person should change their seven year old in public, btw. I just think the pervert thing is an illogical line of reasoning for why not. You shouldn't do it because you are in the U.S. and in the U.S. its inappropriate to expose your genitals (or on women, breasts) in public - at any age. Changing a diaper on an infant is done in the bathroom. Its rude - in our culture, with a very few exceptions - to allow other people to see you naked. Even when it is OK, discretion is valued (you don't run around the locker room nude, you wrap yourself in a towel. You don't let your breasts hang out while breastfeeding, you make an effort to find a quiet corner and cover up a little). Rude is sufficient reason for this to be not OK. However, there are cultural allowances that can be made - and therefore I'm not ready to scream that this person was being intentionally rude - but rather that her behavior was inappropriate.
 
Explain to me how it makes any difference if a pervert is getting off on a photo of your clothed child or your naked child?

Both are pretty ick. I'm not justifying the ick - I am wondering why clothed or unclothed makes a difference.

I don't think a person should change their seven year old in public, btw. I just think the pervert thing is an illogical line of reasoning for why not. You shouldn't do it because you are in the U.S. and in the U.S. its inappropriate to expose your genitals (or on women, breasts) in public - at any age. Changing a diaper on an infant is done in the bathroom. Its rude - in our culture, with a very few exceptions - to allow other people to see you naked. Even when it is OK, discretion is valued (you don't run around the locker room nude, you wrap yourself in a towel. You don't let your breasts hang out while breastfeeding, you make an effort to find a quiet corner and cover up a little). Rude is sufficient reason for this to be not OK. However, there are cultural allowances that can be made - and therefore I'm not ready to scream that this person was being intentionally rude - but rather that her behavior was inappropriate.


Bingo! Nicely said
 
Can't we just chalk this up to personal opinion and stop ridiculing eachother. If someone is modest or has "prudish" views, that is their right. If someone doesn't see anything wrong with small children running around topless or in a bikini, that is their right. To each his own, no point in trying to argue your point when the other person believes in their own.
 
Can't we just chalk this up to personal opinion and stop ridiculing eachother. If someone is modest or has "prudish" views, that is their right. If someone doesn't see anything wrong with small children running around topless or in a bikini, that is their right. To each his own, no point in trying to argue your point when the other person believes in their own.

I did throw my opinion out there...but you know what they say about opinions...:lmao:
 
Disney policy:
All Disney Theme Park guests are required to wear shirts and shoes at all times. Swimsuit tops are allowed when worn with other appropriate clothing.


from http://www.wdwinfo.com/tips_for_touring/dress-code.htm

This still doesn't completely address the problem at hand. Iti s a blanket statement that really is not enforcable in this situation. the spirit of the rule if for someone not to walk around shirtless all day. I simply don't think you can apply that to a split second of changing a child's clothes from wet to dry for example. Would you have them walk around wet all day because they are never under any circumstances to remove their shirt? What makes it ok to violate the rule in the bathroom rather than outside it? It does after all say at all times. I reallize that this discussion is a little much, but I do it to point out how people tend to try to get around the rules. I still maintain that no one at Disney would tell someone changing a child's clothes that they can't do it in public because they would not want to deal with the fall out by doing so. It is NOT there place to tell anyone how to parent, and they have to realize what they would be taking on by doing so.
 
Sarcasm aside I worked in a resturant for a long time in a position where I had a lot of public contact, especially the disgruntled public. Smoking areas and safety issues fall under the banner of things companies are mandated to inforce by law. Social customs and norms are not. As a business it would be considered discrimination for Disney to tell someone they couldn't do soemthing there is not posted rule agianst at the facility if it is not a threat to health or safety. It is lke me telling a guest with pink hair that they are not welcome in a resturant where there is not a posted dress code. While their link hair may be offensive to some patrons it is not a threat to anyone's health or safety so by law we have to allow it unless we make it part of the dress code for admission to the resturant. You just can't do that and expect no to eventuallt get sued by someone. You have to either post that something is prohibited onsite or deal with it. Untill Disney makes the rule they cannot legally tell soemone they cannot change their child in public.


Since Disney has a dress code they can inform the parents of a child about changing the child. It is legal to tell someone they cannot change their child in public.
 
I'm a proud American that thinks this is the best country on earth, but I do think that some of our views of sexuality and nakedness are screwed up. For example, I would totally let my 19 month old girl swim in nothing but a swim diaper but I would never put her in a bikini -- because while I think nakedness is more natural than anything, I consider bikini's to be more sexual and given that a toddler has no reason to be touting her sexuality, I would never put her in one. I think most people would probably disagree with me, though.

Nope. Agree with you 100% about the little one's in bikini's :guilty:
 
Explain to me how it makes any difference if a pervert is getting off on a photo of your clothed child or your naked child?

Both are pretty ick. I'm not justifying the ick - I am wondering why clothed or unclothed makes a difference.

I don't think a person should change their seven year old in public, btw. I just think the pervert thing is an illogical line of reasoning for why not. You shouldn't do it because you are in the U.S. and in the U.S. its inappropriate to expose your genitals (or on women, breasts) in public - at any age. Changing a diaper on an infant is done in the bathroom. Its rude - in our culture, with a very few exceptions - to allow other people to see you naked. Even when it is OK, discretion is valued (you don't run around the locker room nude, you wrap yourself in a towel. You don't let your breasts hang out while breastfeeding, you make an effort to find a quiet corner and cover up a little). Rude is sufficient reason for this to be not OK. However, there are cultural allowances that can be made - and therefore I'm not ready to scream that this person was being intentionally rude - but rather that her behavior was inappropriate.

Well said:thumbsup2

I saw this opinion piece online today and it made me think of this thread:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/196023

Mothering As A Spectator Sport
The author of "Free-Range Kids" on why it's time for us to stop obsessing about childhood dangers and the consequences of every decision we—and other moms—make.

Happy Mother's Day!

Oh, I know the burnt toast and dandelion bouquet won't come till May 10. But lately, every day is Mother's Day, thanks to our relentless focus on moms (and to a lesser extent dads) and the way they parent.

Parenting has become a spectator sport. We set the bar extremely high for what is "good" parenting and start judging the moment we hear someone did something that could be considered one drop dangerous.

I should know. I'm the mom who let her 9-year-old ride the New York City subway by himself. Just about a year ago I made national news when my husband andI decided to take our son someplace he hadn't been before and let him try to find his way home by himself on public transportation. (By day, not very far from home, with money and a map and quarters for a phone call.) The very thing he'd been begging us to let him do for months. He made it home fine, btw, but millions of folks weighed in, often critically, on my parenting.

Now I feel a little like Miss America, passing my "Bad Mom" crown and scepter to Madlyn Primoff, the Scarsdale, N.Y., lawyer who was arrested for endangering the welfare of a child a few weeks back after she left her two daughters, ages 10 and 12, in a shopping area of a New York City suburb because they were bickering in the car. (Both the girls got home safely, though one did wind up waiting for her parents at the local police station.)
Primoff can have the crown, but I'm keeping the scepter for self-defense. All moms could use one. It was only when complete strangers started saying I was lazy/crazy/cable-TV-fodder-in-the-making that I began to understand that a lot of us Americans are raising our kids in an utter state of panic. We are convinced that every day, in every way, our children are in terrible peril. We are obsessed with other parents' child-rearing decisions—and our own—because we're being told each one is of life and death importance.

And it's not just about stranger danger. It begins even before birth, with the pregnancy diet books (a whole new genre!) telling us "each bite" is going to determine if our kids are golden—or duds. Same goes for every other parenting decision we make: are you having natural childbirth? If not, you're traumatizing the baby! Are you breastfeeding? If not, your kid's going to be a dummy! With allergies! And extra-chunky thighs! Are you feeding your kid nonorganic baby food? Did you wait too long to sign her up for music lessons? Shouldn't you get that toy that teaches multiplication? But the biggest decision of all, of course, is: can I ever leave my kids to their own devices? To climb a tree or walk to school? And lately the answer is: no. Not until their hair goes gray and they start liking bran flakes.The prevailing belief is that even one unscheduled, unsupervised childhood episode (like the car-ejection) is dangerous to the point of criminal. That kids could never possibly buck up and ask someone for help, or figure out how to use a public phone, or ask directions to the police station.

But that Scarsdale lawyer's kids were not preschoolers. At age 10 or 12 in other eras, those kids would have been apprenticed already. Or working as servants in someone else's house, or picking coffee beans. Actually, in other countries, some children that age are still picking coffee beans. Why do we assume that today's American kids are the dumbest, most vulnerable, least competent generation ever—and that we are doing them a favor by treating them almost as if they are disabled? ("Let me open the car door for you, honey!") Because that's what our culture tells us to do. It tells us that kids need extra classes, extra padding and extra supervision just to make it through another day. It tells us we should always plan for the worst-case scenario. And it warns us that they are in physical danger from a crime-crazed world, even though, nationally, our crime rate is back to what it was in 1970. Yes, if you grew up in the '70s or '80s, times are safer now than when you were a kid. That's according to U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics. We Americans have a very hard time believing that good news because good news is not what we are soaking in. Mostly we are soaking in 24-hour cable, bringing us the worst stories—especially child abductions—from all corners of the globe. (Aruba, anyone? Portugal?) When we flip to TV police dramas like "CSI," we see maggots and autopsies and the freakiest, saddest scenarios Hollywood can dream up, usually involving duct tape. These stories, so graphically told, sear themselves on our brains. Pick up a parenting magazine instead, and we find article after article, "Is your child's crib safe?" "Is your child's food safe?" "Is your child's [fill in the blank with something that seems extremely safe, like a pillow] safe?" If that magazine can't convince us that it has some lifesaving info that we really must read to keep our kids alive, we won't buy it. So it's in the same biz as TV News: It simply has to scare us.

In short: we are being brainwashed with fear and it makes us worry that everything we do as parents may be putting our kids in danger. That's why we judge other parents so harshly, and why we keep our kids cloistered like Rapunzel. Don't get me wrong. As founder of the Free-Range Kids movement—a group of people who believe in giving kids more freedom and responsibility—my philosophy is not to throw kids out of the car (sorely tempting though that may be at times). But Free-Range parents do believe that kids are more capable and competent than we give them credit for. And that, after teaching them basic safety, they need some freedom to develop as smart, happy, responsible humans. Not crazy freedom. Just the kind of freedom we had, back when parenting decisions were not the stuff of national news.

Skenazy is founder of the blog-turned-parenting-movement FreeRangeKids.com and author of, "Free-Range Kids: Giving Our Children the Freedom We Had Without Going Nuts with Worry." (Wiley, April 2009)




I have noticed lots of debate on this thread about toddlers wearing no tops at the beach, pool, etc. How would anyone even always know if the topless toddler in a swim diaper is a boy or girl?:confused3 Even at 10 while wearing fairly "boy attire" like jeans and a t-shirt DS is often assumed to be a girl. He wears his hair in a style common on both genders (I have heard it called a surfer, mushroom or bowl cut in different regions) and has very delicate featres and LONG eye lashes. I actually had people tell me a should dress my girl more daintly when we took him out as a baby once (clearly an unacceptable commnet even if he had been a girl). I am glad no one ever siad anything to me at the beach about covering up his top. I might have snapped:upsidedow
 




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