Don't care if it makes me a bad parent!

As it should be! BUT....sounds like some schools the teachers are not allowed to give the kids the work they'll miss.....so how can those teachers expect the kids to know the material? I wonder if they would punish the kids with not giving them the work if the kid was ill for a week or two (I missed almost a month of school in 7th grade due to emergency surgery and recovery time.....I had a pile of work delivered by a friend every day after school and they took the work I'd finished back....and this was in the late 70's...yes, we had paper back then!).

Illness is quite different from a WDW vacation. I have sent work home with siblings, via email, have had the parent come and visit me for the work and even delivered it over to the student's home school (as I do have some students who come to my class from other campuses).
 
Illness is quite different from a WDW vacation. I have sent work home with siblings, via email, have had the parent come and visit me for the work and even delivered it over to the student's home school (as I do have some students who come to my class from other campuses).

I'll happily respond to an email question, or several, from kids who have gotten confused after leaving class.

And, as I mentioned, kids who are out long term for an illness can have a tutor from the district.
 
I cannot believe that there are eight pages of people supporting the poster for not only taking his kids out of school but possibly risking legal action for doing so. Really! The rules exist for a reason-- to prevent totally unnecessary trips during the school year, to keep your kid in school learning. You really are a bad parent for choosing to do otherwise.

No, truancy laws exist in large part to keep butts in seats and $$ flowing to the school. Every day a kid's butt is in the seat, the school gets $XX. If an "excessive" number of kids are missing, the school is docked $$$. Schools want the $$$. Taking your kids out to go to Disney/Hawaii/Jupiter costs the school $$$.

I'm not a parent and my dogs have finished their obedience schooling. So, I'm not giving excuses for my crap parenting here...
 
No, truancy laws exist in large part to keep butts in seats and $$ flowing to the school. Every day a kid's butt is in the seat, the school gets $XX. If an "excessive" number of kids are missing, the school is docked $$$. Schools want the $$$. Taking your kids out to go to Disney/Hawaii/Jupiter costs the school $$$.

I'm not a parent and my dogs have finished their obedience schooling. So, I'm not giving excuses for my crap parenting here...

Wow, with the nice nature of your posts, I think I am glad you have dogs. :rolleyes2

I don't understand why people can't have intelligent conversations without the I am right, you are wrong determination. :confused3

Here's something to think about. Some schools don't care and even encourage family vacations. Some do care. Hence it is not a subject with a definite answer. In matters where there is no consensus, there should be some give and take. Not all give. Not all take.
 

LOL! So everyone is ok with taking little Johnny and Jane out of school for vacation but if John and Jane fall behind and/or struggle its the teacher's fault. And now most in this country want to tie a teacher's salary to how well their students do. So while you pull your kids out of school just so you can avoid crowds I hope you feel bad for your kid's teacher who you could be costing $1,000 in salary. Also, nice lesson in responsibility you are teaching your kids!
 
LOL! So everyone is ok with taking little Johnny and Jane out of school for vacation but if John and Jane fall behind and/or struggle its the teacher's fault. And now most in this country want to tie a teacher's salary to how well their students do. So while you pull your kids out of school just so you can avoid crowds I hope you feel bad for your kid's teacher who you could be costing $1,000 in salary. Also, nice lesson in responsibility you are teaching your kids!

has anybody blamed a teacher for anything here? LOL

I see a whole bunch of blaming the parents, including the last line of your quote.
 
Don't worry what others think, do what you think best !!! My niece who is 16 at time of our trip will miss almost a week. But it's when I can get vacation and take her for sweet 16 !!!
 
Wow, with the nice nature of your posts, I think I am glad you have dogs. :rolleyes2

I don't understand why people can't have intelligent conversations without the I am right, you are wrong determination. :confused3

Here's something to think about. Some schools don't care and even encourage family vacations. Some do care. Hence it is not a subject with a definite answer. In matters where there is no consensus, there should be some give and take. Not all give. Not all take.

:confused3 Um, guess you totally misread my tone there...

I don't think it is right for schools to tell parents how to parent. But there is very little feel-good kids need to learn happy rainbowness about truancy laws. School budgets are at stake...not Little Johnny's math grade. My belief is, your kids, your call. (Barring abusive/neglectful behavior of course.)
 
Another Texan here. I used to teach, now I am a SAHM. Remember the saying "Texas is like a whole 'nother country"? Well, some cities are like that here. Heck, even within my own school district, the policies are different.

I personally say to each their own, but any parent needs to be aware of the make-up policies for their school. I have friends who have taken their kids out for a week or two - and all work had to be made up in a few days and recess was given up to do that.

My kids are older (middle and high school), so we can only miss a bit of school without incurring major problems.
 
:confused3 Um, guess you totally misread my tone there...

I don't think it is right for schools to tell parents how to parent. But there is very little feel-good kids need to learn happy rainbowness about truancy laws. School budgets are at stake...not Little Johnny's math grade. My belief is, your kids, your call. (Barring abusive/neglectful behavior of course.)

I must have as it seemed to be complaining about kids missing school. Where I live, yes, the school systems have all gone broke. However, the money problems are not something us parents should put in the equation here. We pay taxes, teachers make good money and the equation would be perfect, if and it is a big IF the state would live up to its part of the deal.
 
teachers make good money

Sorry, say what? :rotfl: Where do you live, so I can apply to work there? Teachers in our city have been asked to go without a raise three years in a row now, and they are paying more money out of pocket for their insurance. Not to mention class sizes are increasing and the teachers are not even guaranteed to have a job due to a budget deficit. "Do more, with less" is the motto.

I know this is off-topic from OP's point, but I just had a good laugh.
 
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This is the part I love.

The teachers should do extra work so you can go on vacation?

I have several friends who are teachers. They smile nicely at the parents and explain that it's the kids job to find out what happened and make it up, not the teachers job to put together "packets' so they can be taught by their parents.

They have no problem with you going but... they aren't doing special lesson plans, etc..


My daughter's teacher did. The difference is, is the teacher a teacher because she loves to help children learn or for the paycheck. We were lucky enough that my daughter's teacher loved to help children learn.....
 
My daughter's teacher did. The difference is, is the teacher a teacher because she loves to help children learn or for the paycheck. We were lucky enough that my daughter's teacher loved to help children learn.....

That's hard to do when they're not in class.

Part of the problem is that no single child exists in a vacuum.

If I knew that Kelly would be out the week of October 10 because she was going to WDW, then perhaps I could jiggle my plans so that I didn't teach factoring that week-- factoring is very tricky and you really need to see it to understand it. OK, so I change things so Kelly won't miss it. Of course, it does throw off my monthly planning, but I love to help children learn....But wait! Johnny is going to WDW the next week. Oh, well, back to the drawing board...The week after that, there are days off for religious observances. This is a topic that requires me to have 4 or 5 full period classes in a row if I have any hope of getting the kids to really understand it....And Keith will be there the next week....And the week after that, kids are being pulled out for the band trip...The next week we lose a day for election day...The next week it's Veteran's Day...The next week Kia is going to WDW...The next week is Thanksgiving. The next week several kids are out because they went to WDW for vacation and are still there...I don't even have to tell you how impossible it is to tackle anything once December hits. Lots and lots of kids are going to WDW...
And the week after that, there are lots of short periods because of assemblies; you simply cannot teach factoring without a chunk of time. And if I wait until January, it's flu season and I know that attendance will be spotty.

So when am I supposed to teach factoring?

Of course I'm going over the top. But my point is that it's not as simple as good teachers wanting to help kids learn after a Disney trip and bad teachers not wanting them to learn. There's much, much more to my job than ensuring that your son or daughter can catch up after taking a week off for vacation.

My class notes are not made up ahead of time. I teach a topic and do a sample problem. Then we do another one, a bit harder than the first. Then a third. Then, as a class,we come up with "process" notes to describe how to tackle that sort of problem. The notes are in the kids' own words, (with an occasional clarification from me so that they're still accurate.) Then we do another problem, a little trickier than the others. And we adapt those notes. Which problems we do are a function of the indiividual kids in that class-- if they're struggling with the topic, they'll see different problems than the class next period that doesn't struggle. And if that happens, they'll get different homework, and the whole week will unfold differently for those two classes.

And even kids who do get the notes miss the thought process that provided them. What makes me a good teacher is not my notes... as I said, the kids supply the notes. It's the gentle nudges that take them from not having ever seen a topic, to the light bulb starting to go on, to a better understanding to mastery. The notes aren't the reason that happens, they're the result of it.

If a kid misses a week for any reason, I tell him to get the notes after his return, and then plan on several sessions after school to help him get caught up. But, as much as I wish it were otherwise, I know that it's going to take a whole lot more than a few extra help sessions to get that kid caught up. He's missing the whole thought process that brought that particular group of kids to the point where they came up with that particular set of notes. And my extra help sessions won't be limited to him alone; I'll also have some of those other 185 kids, as well as the occasional kid I don't teach show up. And some of the kids I taught last year will show up. So my extra help will be some factoring, some quadratic equations (because if I taught factoring last week, that's the topic I'm on this week.) And some geometry. And some SAT prep. And because I'm a teacher who cares about kdis learning, they're all welcome to my extra help sessions. So it's not going to be one on one for the kid who spent a week at WDW. And every single day he spends not being able to factor is a day he gets a little further behind on those quadratic equations. And if he doesn't understand them, he's going to really struggle when we hit the verbal problems that turn into quadratic equations next week. That's why those other kids are at extra help; they were there for the original notes, and want to fine tune their understanding so they don't get behind.

Of course I care about my kids; it's why I went into the profession. And I'm good at what I do after all these years. My single failure this year was a kid who missed too much school. (No, not WDW, some serious non-medical issues). As much as I was rooting for him, he simply missed too much school; he didn't know the material. When he did show up for class, he didn't know the material that the other kids knew, and didn't get any further ahead. I was able to get every one of the other 185 or so kids through. I gave extra help every single day... but you had to be in school to get it. I was in school early... but you had to be there. I answered questions via email... but you had to know what to ask. ("Can you explain factoring?" is not a valid question.)

It's not just about good teachers who want kids to learn. It's also about parents who want their kids to learn that exact same material. I'm bad at a lot of things, but I am a really good teacher! But I can't do my job if the kids are not in class. And if there's a teacher who tells you that a couple of worksheets can take the place of what's going on in class, then I think you should run, not walk, to the principal's office to find out why.

Go to WDW and have a great time. It's none of my business. I'll happily teach any and all kids who show up for my class. More than that I cannot do.

But my family won't be going until next summer. We go during Value season, when the prices are closer to reasonable. And we get to the parks early (to avoid those crowds we also hate) and spend the afternoons in the pool. And, come September, I'll be back in school, trying my best to be that teacher who "loves to help children learn."
 
This topic has a tendency to bring out the most extremes in some posters.
Therefore this is a once only warning that any poster who does not respect the board rules will expect a Private Message :rolleyes:

If this topic hits your button might be best to skip :goodvibes
 
Sorry, say what? :rotfl: Where do you live, so I can apply to work there? Teachers in our city have been asked to go without a raise three years in a row now, and they are paying more money out of pocket for their insurance. Not to mention class sizes are increasing and the teachers are not even guaranteed to have a job due to a budget deficit. "Do more, with less" is the motto.

I know this is off-topic from OP's point, but I just had a good laugh.

Average teachers salaries are very competititve around where I live. As far as paying more money out of pocket for their insurance, welcome to the real world...we all are doing that. Same with the raises. I work six days a week all year round and make 3 thousand more than the average teachers salary. I appreciate all those that teach (well, 98% of them anyway). I am sure it is a hard thing to do and I do understand the surplus of teachers and the cutting of jobs as it has hit some of my friends. However, I have seen many of my friends in the business I work in lose their jobs by cuts. It is the economy plain and simple.
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that on Dis....people will advocate having their kids miss school (rule breaking) or go on vacation after a person was laid off, but will shout fire and brimstone if you lie about your child's age or "cut in line"...I guess it is ok to break rules if it means going to Disney, but don't you dare do it at Disney.
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that on Dis....people will advocate having their kids miss school (rule breaking) or go on vacation after a person was laid off, but will shout fire and brimstone if you lie about your child's age or "cut in line"...I guess it is ok to break rules if it means going to Disney, but don't you dare do it at Disney.

Having your kids skip school only potentially hurts your kids. Cutting in line affects others.

I see rule breaking in two ways....one way is that it only hurts the rule breaker and only the rule breaker pays the consequences. The other way hurts others and/or makes others pay the consequences.

Leave it to a DIS newbie to start a thread that turns people into crazies over a topic. :stir: I had no idea there would be this much blow back! *facepalm*
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that on Dis....people will advocate having their kids miss school (rule breaking) or go on vacation after a person was laid off, but will shout fire and brimstone if you lie about your child's age or "cut in line"...I guess it is ok to break rules if it means going to Disney, but don't you dare do it at Disney.

What rule are you breaking by taking your child out of school? If you tell the school that the child is sick, or has to go to a funeral or whatever instead of telling the truth that you're taking a family vacation....I'll agree that's wrong.

What rule says that if you're laid off you can't take a vacation? If you have the financial ability, that's up to you.



I think there is a Big Difference between taking your child out of school for a trip, which affects YOUR child only or lying to Disney about the age of your child, which is stealing from Disney as they are not collecting revenue for your child when they legally should.

Cutting in line is a matter of common courtesy, and socially unacceptable to most people (perhaps some were at Disney instead of in school on the day that this was taught in school....which may lead back to a conversation about the importance of keeping your kids in school?:rotfl2:)
 
Maybe the reason why our school system allows them is because they themselves see the good. After all, our band was gone a week to play in a parade, our seniors are gone every year for a week on senior trip and our sports teams often miss whole days to go play in a pro stadium or far away. I like the fact that they are consistent in their belief that trips with or without their parents can be learning experiences that are positive.
 



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