Does anyone know if PI is going 21 and over only?

[AdventurerKat]

I have seen this pop up in a couple places but I can't seem to find any real evidence to support it.

 

[TSR6]

I confirmed this about 3-4 weeks ago, but nobody knows the exact date in which it will go into effect. I was told "by the end of the month" - being april, but that is just about gone. I was also told that it will only be the dance clubs that will change - and that the comedy clubs would keep the current age restrictions.

 

[AdventurerKat]

I confirmed this about 3-4 weeks ago, but nobody knows the exact date in which it will go into effect. I was told "by the end of the month" - being april, but that is just about gone. I was also told that it will only be the dance clubs that will change - and that the comedy clubs would keep the current age restrictions.

O.k. Thanks. I had heard that about the dance clubs before. I know at least Mannequins was 21 and over at one time.

 

[TSR6]

Depends on the day of the week.

Mannequins is 21+ on thurs through sat, otherwise it is 18+ ONLY.
Motion is always 18+ ONLY
BET is 21+ Fri & Sat, but otherwise 18+ unless someone 21+ takes the minor into the club with them.
Rest of the clubs are 18+ unless the minor is with someone at least 21+

Minors must be with thier 21+ adult at all times, otherwise they will be removed from the club.

 

[YoHo]

Mannequins used to be 21 and over exclusivly. I remmember in 1996 when the entire place was ticketed that the 21 and older crowd had wristbands which made it easier for the shot girls wandering the streets to tell who they could serve.

 

[All Aboard]

PI is getting confusing to the newbie. A few weeks ago, I listened to the CM in front of the AC repeat herself over and over to wanderers-up that it required seperate admission.

This subset requires admission, these restaurants don't. The guests are already confused. Just what is free and what isn't? It reminds me of the scene in "The Jerk" where Navin tells the people which prizes they can choose from. "Anything below this stereo, but on this side of the bicentenial glasses. That includes the chicklets, but not the erasers."

And, it's only going to get worse as more non-admission restaurants open. There is a lot more guest flow-through in the evenings now. And, a rougher crowd seems to have descended on the place at night, now that they can roam for free.

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

Does anyone know if PI is going 21 and over only? I have seen this pop up in a couple places but I can't seem to find any real evidence to support it.

I thought it was just going... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't PI getting merged with the rest of DTD becoming more resturant/shopping venues? I think going 21+ only is not the concept Disney has in mind at all.

 

[Jason71]

I remmember in 1996 when the entire place was ticketed that the 21 and older crowd had wristbands which made it easier for the shot girls wandering the streets to tell who they could serve.

Not to mention easier on the "outside" bartenders, who now have to card probably half the people buying drinks, because they either don't have a PI admission or haven't used it to get into a club yet. (Probably not a coincidence that I can't remember the last time I saw shot girls in PI.)

All Aboard, I'm not sure if this is still the policy, but AC was even more confusing a few months ago when they would let people in for free until 9 p.m. Then, at 9, they would sweep the room and tell everyone without a ticket they had to leave and go buy one. Try explaining that easily to someone.

 

[TSR6]

Jason & Yoho - Technically, the bartenders are still supposed to card people with wristbands.

Danny - True....street wise at least. The clubs themselves I think are going a little more exclusive. A lot of things are going to change over the course of the next year.

 

[YoHo]

Jason & Yoho - Technically, the bartenders are still supposed to card people with wristbands.

Danny - True....street wise at least. The clubs themselves I think are going a little more exclusive. A lot of things are going to change over the course of the next year.

That was not the case 10 years ago is my point.

 

[TSR6]

Unless the laws have changed in 10 years, then no, the bartenders should have still checked ID's with wristbands.

At PI, the folks checking ID's and letting people into the clubs and/or giving out wristbands have never been bar tenders. They only take the short "responsible vendor" class - not the full one for bartenders. The door hosts are not responsible for underage drinking, the bartenders are, even if that guest has a wristband, or is inside a 21+ only area. Thus bartenders are supposed to still check ID's. The wristband is only one of the levels of due dilligence that PI has chosen to use.

 

[YoHo]

That must be a new law in the past 10 years then, because I can assure that in 1996 I spent 7 nights in a row getting loaded at PI and not once was I carded besides at the bridge.

It is the same as being carded by the bouncer at any bar on a busy night. The bartenders then do not need to waste time checking. I mean we're talking about shot girls wandering the streets and beer vendors in the middle of the street. It would have been totally impractical for them to do more then verify the wrist band. Which is why they had that system in the first place. If you're going to require the bartenders to inspect IDs, then the wristbands are just pointless added cost.

 

[kstinw19]

I hope they do have a major overhaul of that place. As a CM in the early 90's it was a great place to go. Mannequins and a few other clubs were 21 and over ONLY. You had to pay to get on the island with no exceptions.

I think they should make the island 18+ to get on and 21+ to go to the clubs...period. We were there last Fall and left after an hour. The entire place was overrun with teenagers and one got arrested by Orlando cops right next to us. You NEVER saw cops there back in the early 90's...maybe a PI security guard or two, but that's it.

I am really curious to see what they do to that place.

 

[TSR6]

That must be a new law in the past 10 years then, because I can assure that in 1996 I spent 7 nights in a row getting loaded at PI and not once was I carded besides at the bridge.

It is the same as being carded by the bouncer at any bar on a busy night. The bartenders then do not need to waste time checking. I mean we're talking about shot girls wandering the streets and beer vendors in the middle of the street. It would have been totally impractical for them to do more then verify the wrist band. Which is why they had that system in the first place. If you're going to require the bartenders to inspect IDs, then the wristbands are just pointless added cost.

I don't know exactly what laws may or may not have changed, but Disney is required to ID everyone who appears to be under the age of 30 before selling them an alcoholic beverage. Some CM's take this a little more strict than others, as obviously some people are apparently well over the age of 21. Some CM's won't card some younger looking folks, other CM's can, and will ID everyone in line.

As far as the bartenders ID'ing everyone - no, they don't. But if they serve someone underage, even if they have a wristband on - they are held liable, and will lose their job. The wristband, by law, does not matter. It's only use is to help identify quickly who is and is not allowed in the club, and who is/is not allowed to walk around inside or outside with alcohol. The bartenders check ID's at their own descretion, i mean, it is thier job at stake, but they do have the right to verify every single ID that they serve. By law, if they don't check ID's, and the guest is found to not have an ID on their person, and do not "appear" to be at least 30 - the bartender is done.

The wristband is just one of several levels of "due dilligence" that disney has.

 

[Poohbear123]

They are dismantleing PI as we speak, my Friend who goes just about every weekend, said that all the shops are gone, and the West End stage is gone, the only thing untouched is BET/COMEDY WAREHOUSE and ADVENTURERS and THE BEACH CLUB! So, the Move is ON!

 

[TSR6]

Actually, none of the clubs have been removed. They're re-modeling PI to make it flow into the West Side and Market Place.

Thus far the only thing actually removed are the shops, WES and HUB stage. They'll be changing a lot over the next year.

 

[CanadianGuy]

YoHo:

I was there extensively in 95 and 96 and my memory matches yours. After a very rigorous ID check at the bridge, we weren't ID' further for the rest of the evening.

I remember it very specifically because our Canadian driver's licenses didn't have photos back then.. and they thought they were fake. But they had some book they looked them up in to be sure they 'matched' what a real one should look like, then they let us through. And we didn't have to show them again all night.

J

 

[Jason71]

Thus far the only thing actually removed are the shops, WES and HUB stage.

I noticed last night the Jessica Rabbit sign is gone too!!! She will be missed.

Quote of the Night: "We're Frankie and the West End Boys. Don't ask what a West End is." [They still rock, even inside.]

I was interested in what you wrote about checking IDs; I completely believe that that is the policy, but in practice, I've seen people waive a wristband from across the room and still get served. Can't remember the last time I saw someone actually get carded inside.