Does anyone else sense an undercurrent of negativity on these boards surrounding ssr?

[3DisneyNUTS]

Liferbabe: You are correct. Sorry about that. Checking the stats: VWL 132; VBoardwalk 532, VBeach 354, & OKW at a whopping 761 (it never "looks" that big). Understand SSR to come in at somewhere between 800 & 1,000 when completely built-out. Somehow OKW never "looks" that big. Something about the way SSR is structured that makes each of the buildings seem very large & the entire package appears really big.

I think it is because the lanscaping has to mature. That makes a world of difference when the trees are large.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Personally I think when you compare the number of rooms at SSR to VWL, BCV, and BWV you have to include the nonDVC side also. They do share all amenties and to me that makes more sense than saying the BCV is a resort that only has 200 something rooms. When it is much larger when you add in the BC and YC. Those numbers affect the pools, the restaurants, the check in areas, basically everything. Just as SSR.

Yeah I agree with this too. They were planned as one big resort even if DVC was added on. The resorts as a whole are comparable in size.

 

[rinkwide]

There's a growing concern that SSR's combination of huge size, remote (to the parks) location and lack of amenities will put an occupancy burden on the smaller DVC resorts. I think that fosters a bit of ill will and negative bias from owners of those other properties.

Personally, I'm afraid that Disney has gotten greedy and is trying to oversell their very profitable time-share division by increasing membership 40% and cramming them into an arguably substandard resort.

Oh well, not to worry. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

 

[Jen D]

There is some negativity... but as someone who is considering buying into SSR I actually don't mind it. If opinions were all hugs and pixie dust I wouldn't feel I was getting the whole story. Sound weird? It's a big purchase, so I want to listen to the things people complain about and try to decide if they will bother me or not. I want to hear all sides. So I'm grateful for the SSR cheerleaders and the SSR grumblers.

 

[DrBond007]

Before that, Vero was the favorite to be picked on.

Boy...... that's sure the truth, there was tons of Vero bashing......


A reasonable discussion of pros and cons is a good thing, helps with the purchasing decisions. It's a lot of money.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

There's a growing concern that SSR's combination of huge size, remote (to the parks) location and lack of amenities will put an occupancy burden on the smaller DVC resorts. I think that fosters a bit of ill will and negative bias from owners of those other properties.

Personally, I'm afraid that Disney has gotten greedy and is trying to oversell their very profitable time-share division by increasing membership 40% and cramming them into an arguably substandard resort.

Oh well, not to worry. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

But "remote" is your opinion. We love the proximity to DTD. ANd substandard resort...what? Explain that? I don't think anyone says it is substandard..... Have you stayed there? Even in the midst of construction there is NOTHING substandard about it.

 

[MarylandPirate]

I'm glad people hate SSR..........easier for me to get a room when I want.

 

[athenna]

I'm glad people hate SSR..........easier for me to get a room when I want.

That's the way I see it!

 

[goodcook5]

I am just wondering how others feel. We like SSR and the 12 years were a deciding factor. However, after we purchased I felt a little disappointment because I like the location of BWV and BCV. I was worried we would not be able to use the 7 month window for new years, etc. I called our guide and they had BWV immediatedly available, so we did a few points there as well.

Are other people torn between the 12 years and not really liking the location?
Thanks

 

[mel&me]

I am just wondering how others feel. We like SSR and the 12 years were a deciding factor. However, after we purchased I felt a little disappointment because I like the location of BWV and BCV. I was worried we would not be able to use the 7 month window for new years, etc. I called our guide and they had BWV immediatedly available, so we did a few points there as well.

Are other people torn between the 12 years and not really liking the location?
Thanks

I don't think the 12 years should make a difference in your choice. I say buy were you like and not because of time. The 12 years is nice but if you are unhappy and prefer BWV or BCV then it was wrong decision.

 

[mel&me]

OP, question on the negativity and how there is way more of it with SSR. Just look at the # of members here on boards. When other DVC resorts opened there were less people here. More members, more people to post. Basically with more people you have more negative posts possible. That could account for the huge # of neg posts.

 

[Deemarch]

If we have to stay there every time that we go to Disney World...So be it! We like the outside hallways, the quiet pool, the Artist's Pallet...We usually go in May and October...No complaints from us!

 

[PatMcDuck]

I think it will change as there are more SS owners. I am a BCV owner, and people slam BCV all the time. (The views, etc). We don't care, we love it.

I am one person that loves all the DVC resorts, but I have to admit SS would be at the bottom of my list. (But mostly because I come from NY state, and I like to vacation somewhere that is different in atmosphere.) And if I was younger, buying into DVC, I would sure want that longer ownership period......... a huge plus for new buyers.

 

[Disney Doll]

I think all resorts go through this period of "love/hate" when they first open. I recall when the BCV first opened, there was a lot of negativity. The beauty of the DVC is that there is a resort for everyone. While you or I may like being "disconnected" form a hotel (such as we are at SSR or OKW, there are others that may like being connected to to hotel, such as it is at BCV,BWV,WLV.

I like each resort for different reasons. My advice to you is to buy where you like, buy where you think you will be happy. DH and I bought at OKW (twice!) and the question we asked ourselves was "if we could never stay in another DVC resort again, could we always be happy here?". The answer was yes, so we bought. That isn't to say that we don't love BCV, BWV, VWL & SSR for thier inherent charms.

 

[Daitcher]

I'm not sure why some people feel the need to trash resorts other than their favorites. Reading angy posts about the bad BCV maintenance, BWV looooong hallways, slow buses at OKW, etc, really takes a lot of the fun out of reading these posts. I think most of us come here to share a little bit of the magic that brought us all to DVC with people who understand. The emphasis on the problems and sometimes raging paranoia about how SSR will negatively impact access is annoying and unnecessary. As several mature posters said, each resort appeals to some more than others. I give Disney credit for knowing what they're doing and not shooting the golden goose that DVC has become. Enjoy your favorites, buy where you want to stay, report REAL problems to management and rally "the troops" only when necessary.

I couldn't disagree with your post anymore if I tried. Please clue me in on any message board where all the posts are positive and glowing. I will never watse my time with such a forum. These boards and others are designed to inform travelers of both good and bad aspects of trips and resorts. Anything else would be just garbage. My biggest pet peeve is when people only post the positive. By all means people, let management know of any problems but please continue to post complaints and problems here. These boards are a wealth of information only if they continue to offer real perspectives, both positive and negative. I for one do not like SSR and have said so. Does that mean the place is bad and others won't enjoy it? No, but it is my view and maybe it will help others make an informed decision. You are entitled to your hope for: an everyone is friends message board filled with nothing but "magic". I will continue to push for an honest board with god and bad views and posts. So many travelers end up dissapointed when their expectations get too high. Good and bad posts helps temper those expectations. No resort will ever appeal to everyone.


DAVE

 

[DrTomorrow]

I couldn't disagree with your post anymore if I tried. Please clue me in on any message board where all the posts are positive and glowing. I will never watse my time with such a forum. These boards and others are designed to inform travelers of both good and bad aspects of trips and resorts. Anything else would be just garbage. My biggest pet peeve is when people only post the positive. By all means people, let management know of any problems but please continue to post complaints and problems here. These boards are a wealth of information only if they continue to offer real perspectives, both positive and negative. I for one do not like SSR and have said so. Does that mean the place is bad and others won't enjoy it? No, but it is my view and maybe it will help others make an informed decision. You are entitled to your hope for: an everyone is friends message board filled with nothing but "magic". I will continue to push for an honest board with god and bad views and posts. So many travelers end up dissapointed when their expectations get too high. Good and bad posts helps temper those expectations. No resort will ever appeal to everyone.


DAVE

While I agree - in theory - that a "positive only cheerleader board" would be less useful, I'm not sure that I agree with your suggestion that most folks who come here want to hear every nit, pick and rant of every DVC visit. In the real (that is, non-Internet) world, all that really matters to me is what occurs on my vacation. While I do feel that this is a "friendly" community - and I do care to hear about my "friends" experiences - whether or not someone else had a rude CM, didn't get a balcony, got a HC room or thought that their room overlooking the Boardwalk was too noisy doesn't impact my DVC vacation one iota (well, maybe one iota, but definately not two ). IMHO, while I would like to hear about the serious problem, I do NOT want this board to become the "DVC Consumer Reports". More to the point, I seriously disagree with the portion of your comment that I have bolded. I simply don't see how one person's subjective opinion can help others make their own subjective opinions; note that it just isn't you - I'm equally suspect of movie, TV and food critics' opinions as well. And - again, IMHO - anyone who bases a multi-thousand (multi-ten-thousand) dollar purchase on the opinion of someone on the Internet is already in trouble.

As for the topic, it's pretty obvious that SSR is simply the target du jour; once another DVC issue comes up - another resort is announced or ROFR is dropped - SSR will simply become 'just another DVC resort'.

Be well!

ETA: I forgot to point out that posting problems here instead of informing Disney is the height of passive-aggressiveness. Got a problem with DVC? Please, PLEASE tell those who can actually effect a change.

 

[John Dobbertin]

As I've posted before: WDW's loudest critics are WDW's greatest fans! If they weren't, they wouldn't bother.

 

[Deemarch]

Because we have never had a problem. Maybe DH & I are too easy...

 

[Sammie]

While I agree - in theory - that a "positive only cheerleader board" would be less useful, I'm not sure that I agree with your suggestion that most folks who come here want to hear every nit, pick and rant of every DVC visit. In the real (that is, non-Internet) world, all that really matters to me is what occurs on my vacation. While I do feel that this is a "friendly" community - and I do care to hear about my "friends" experiences - whether or not someone else had a rude CM, didn't get a balcony, got a HC room or thought that their room overlooking the Boardwalk was too noisy doesn't impact my DVC vacation one iota (well, maybe one iota, but definately not two ). IMHO, while I would like to hear about the serious problem, I do NOT want this board to become the "DVC Consumer Reports". More to the point, I seriously disagree with the portion of your comment that I have bolded. I simply don't see how one person's subjective opinion can help others make their own subjective opinions; note that it just isn't you - I'm equally suspect of movie, TV and food critics' opinions as well. And - again, IMHO - anyone who bases a multi-thousand (multi-ten-thousand) dollar purchase on the opinion of someone on the Internet is already in trouble.

As for the topic, it's pretty obvious that SSR is simply the target du jour; once another DVC issue comes up - another resort is announced or ROFR is dropped - SSR will simply become 'just another DVC resort'.

Be well!

ETA: I forgot to point out that posting problems here instead of informing Disney is the height of passive-aggressiveness. Got a problem with DVC? Please, PLEASE tell those who can actually effect a change.

Completely and totally agree. When opinions are shared that have no basis on facts then I totally just skim over them and would never let them impact my decisions on where to stay or eat.

SSR might not be physically located near any park, but then no DVC resort is near all of them. As to the amount of time it takes one to get from SSR to a park, it truly is marginally very little difference. I can take a bus from SSR to Epcot and be on Spaceship Earth quicker than many can walking over from the furthest room on the top floor of BW.

 

[DrBond007]

I'm not sure why some people feel the need to trash resorts other than their favorites. Reading angy posts about the bad BCV maintenance, BWV looooong hallways, slow buses at OKW, etc, really takes a lot of the fun out of reading these posts. I think most of us come here to share a little bit of the magic that brought us all to DVC with people who understand. The emphasis on the problems and sometimes raging paranoia about how SSR will negatively impact access is annoying and unnecessary. As several mature posters said, each resort appeals to some more than others. I give Disney credit for knowing what they're doing and not shooting the golden goose that DVC has become. Enjoy your favorites, buy where you want to stay, report REAL problems to management and rally "the troops" only when necessary.

Well, personally I see a difference between trashing or bashing a resort and talking about shortcoming, pros and cons that purchasers can use in making thier puchase decisions. We all way factors differently. This is a good place to learn all about all the factors involved, especially as one is just learning. BCV does not have 3 bedroom villas, BWV does, but I think there are only 9 of them. BWV has a community hall, BCV doesn't. Etc. I happen to think the transportation options are a big part of the decision, the option of using boats for travel is much more enjoyable for us than busses, and with strollers they've been much easier for us. I think the transportation options are a big part of what separated a deluxe from a moderate resort. Seems like moderate resorts are relegated to busses only.