Do YOU wear Confederate apparel ?

Was there a link to this story that I missed? I was confused at first about why someone would need to fight for her right to wear the confederate flag. Then I realized it was to school. If the school has a policy against it, then tough toenails to the girl. She can't wear it. She can put it on when she gets home.

I have no problems with anyone wearing or displaying the Confederate flag (as long as it doesn't go against policy). I wlll however look down on those people. No one will ever be able to convince me that that they see the Confederate flag as "part of their heritage". How many of you were around during the Civil War? Anyone, anyone? No. Just as I don't see the swastika as part of my German heritage.

And to the lady who still "feels the civil war" I had to laugh. I had a boyfriend in highschool who was from the South. He said that the North didn't win the Civil War, it's still going on. :rotfl2: Uh ok. Whatever.

I'm sorry that your precious symbol has been taken over by vile hate mongers. That sucks. Get over it and find a different symbol. If not, don't expect me to have any respect for you.
 
I support the girl's right to wear whatever T-shirt she wants.

I also support my right to think she is a dumb redneck for wearing it.
 
Anyone has the right to wear confederate flag apparrel, outside of school, and I have the right to assume they are a redneck racist.

The school has a right to inforce a dress code, the student has a right to not like it.

She doesn't have the right to make her own rules for school.
 
I think the bottom line in the flag debate is that the south did in fact lose the war, so even though they technically have the "right" to wear it, it is useless to debate "intent".

The flag was a battle flag; am I right? And so the original intent was designed for war, and so non-with-standing the racial issue (and as a matter I see the flag as racist), the flag without a doubt stands for one of the bloodiest, most sad times in our history. Why are southerners proud of that?

I'll argue for the right to dress like a Nazi or a Klan member or a Confederate flag, but I'll never understand why anyone wants to.
 

Honu said:
The problem is we currently have a racist group that has taken to waving it around. IMO, as long as they are selling these flags at the Klan Store (and OMG can you believe there is such a place?) I think it's in pretty poor taste to wear one. But it is a free county and if that's what you want people to associate you with, true or not, go ahead a wear it.


Just because certain racist-groups use it doesn't make the symbol itself unacceptable. Many of those same groups also use the American flag as a pro-white symbol too.
 
The flag was a battle flag; am I right? And so the original intent was designed for war, and so non-with-standing the racial issue (and as a matter I see the flag as racist), the flag without a doubt stands for one of the bloodiest, most sad times in our history.

Actually, I agree. Robert E. Lee himself ordered his troops to furl their flag and return home, telling them "you are all Americans now". And I can't think of anyone Southerners should hold in higher esteem than Lee.

But I do think the flag has a place in our society, as an historical relic.

Just as an aside, I grew up in Arizona, and knew nothing of regional differences or the Civil War, except what we studied in school. When we moved to Virginia, we ended up living literally behind a Civil War era plantation, called Endview. My username actually represents the 32nd Virginia, Company H, the unit that mustered there. I really became fascinated with the War, and eventually volunteered to help renovate the plantation and assist in their educational programs.

The battles themselves did not interest me, but reading about the lives of ordinary 19th century Americans - it's just really compelling. Those were people of character (in both the North and the South). In many ways, our society is much improved, but in just as many ways, we are so much weaker and lacking. Those men and women really endured a kind of suffering our generation just doesn't know. And yet they carried on in the most remarkable ways...anyway, it's just a really interesting subject.
 
Disney845 said:
Honestly when I see a confederate flag, my gut reaction everytime is "you lost...get over it!" :rolleyes2

My gut reaction is *******.
 
/
The flag in question is in fact the Battle Flag of the Confederacy. The actual Confederate flag was know as the Bonnie Blue. It's really funny that this issue should come up right now as I attended a function on Sunday where the US, Texas, and Bonnie Blue flew together. Before anyone overeacts to it flying it was at my family's Cemetary Association Meeting at our family cemetary. Each year on the third Sunday of May we meet at the cemetary for our annual meeting and I always attend because I am a member of the Board of Directors. We fly the three flags because our forefathers fought and some died for those flags and we feel that we are honoring them by remembering their lives and their sacrifices. For the most part everyone in attendance knows the history of those flags and their meanings better than most Americans and we as a group would agree that the Battle Flag has come to mean very different things today than it did all those years ago. We see its current use as a meaning of hate and bigotry but we also see it as disrespecting our ancestors. No one is more angry and at the same time proud about the flag than we. My Great Great Grandfather fought for the Texas Tenth Infantry for four years, was captured at the Battle of Arkansas Post spent nine months in a POW camp in Chicago, was traded for Union Soildiers in Virginia and returned to his unit to fight some more. He was severely wounded in the Battle of Atlanta and spent almost a year in the hospital before he could return to his beloved Texas. He as well as his family paid a very high price for his service. To see the flag he believed in and followed almost to his death disrespected by so many hurts my entire family. We do not wear the Battle Flag or the Bonnie Blue on any clothing but I do own both flags and we very proudly display one of them every year for just one day. But its on private property down a country road at a cemetary shaded by 100 year old oak trees and cedar trees above tombstones that date back to 1834, and on that day anybody there in attendance can tell you the true meaning of the flag.
 
RickinNYC said:
I think it's within everyone's right to be proud of where he/she is from and have a level of geographic based pride. Check out the folks from Boston, New York City and the entire state of New Jersey. How about the great residents of Chicago. Ever meet someone from San Diego who swears they have the best weather and will talk you to death until you agree? I'm pretty sure Hawaiians will do the same. I've met a number of pretty neat proud coffee drinkers from Seattle, a really cool lady who swears her great state of
Alaska has the best scenery in all the world, bar none, an entire family from Vegas (well, not really FROM Vegas, but they relocated there - who's really from Vegas originally?) who truly think their fine city is the original City of Lights and will smack you down until you agree.

I've lived in San Diego (did I tell you about the weather in San Diego? It's really the best you can find anywhere... well, except in June. We call it June Gloom... where are you going?), then Boston (whaddaya mean you don't like the Sox?) , even Japan (hey, I'm taller than the entire country... this is the best place EVER! Well, not when you count the fact they put squid on pizza) , then the South (actually Jacksonville - "Y'all have to go north to go south in Florida... and we don't have all those tourists huntin' down the damn mouse...), then the North again (yeah, I live in New York City, what of it? The Sox suck, Jersey sucks, Florida sucks, San Diego weather sucks, where's Japan? You suck. Get outta my way). I've seen varying levels of pride everywhere.

Then there's gay pride (we're here, we're... blah blah blah), black pride, womyn pride, little people pride, disability of every kind in the entire universe pride, metrosexual pride (not sure what that is but it involves expensive lip balm, moisturizers and boy band hair), single parent pride, home schooled pride, men pride (no, not gay pride, see above), here a pride, there a pride, everywhere a pride pride.

Being pride is natural. We've all been proud of ourselves at one time or another. Most of us our proud of where we're from. Well, except for folks from that little country with a name that's pronounced with clicks. Because where the hell is that anyway? Pride is good. But when pride is a veiled attempt at separatism, it becomes pretty stupid if you ask me.

Unless there's a special day to celebrate Tall Half Asian Half Scottish Gay Men With Bad Eyesight Fabulous Hair and Braindead Fat Dogs. If that day comes, I'm going to wave my flag, march in my parade and think you all suck.

Thank you for bringing a smile to my face. :thumbsup2
merry g
 
Southern4sure said:
I had to respond to this. I was born and raised in the state of Alabama (Mobile) and lived there 38 yrs before we moved to Central FL (Tampa area) 1 1/2 yrs ago. I have met alot of wonderful northern people and all my friends are from the north. I have yet had anyone ask me any of the questions you stated and I do not feel judged by them. The only time I feel judged is on the Dis... :teeth:

Am I proud to be a southerner...you bet. Do I use phrases like, 'that was so good it makes me want to slap your mama?" No because it is not worth trying to explain it and to my friends I would sound ignorant. My friends love my accent and I love their accents. We do compare items being called different things like, I call it hamburger meat and they call it chopped meat, I call it a buggy and they call it a shopping cart and ect.


One of the saddest expamples of wearing the confederate flag emblem is from personal experience. My Dh was doing some consulting work in a small county of AL that is very racist and every good ol' boy displays the confederate flag in some form. One guy had the confederate flag as his cell phone cover and wore it openly. Several people complained, word got out who one of the complainers was (black man) and the father (who worked at the office too but different department) of the cell phone owner came across this man (complainer) one day and they began a heated argument. The father went out to his truck and got his pistol and came back into the office and shot the black man and he died. He shot this man in cold blood in front of his co-workers all because of the cell phone cover.

Would I wear the confederate emblem? I haven't yet and I can't imagine beginning to now. I know what it stands for and I am proud of it but it has been twisted into something ugly.

ETA: A true Southern Belle would never write a post with such negativity and racist words.

Amen, Southern Sister! I have wonderful friends from all over the world and none of them think I'm stupid or a racist just because I'm from Alabama. They judge me for myself, not what part of the country I come from.
 
RickinNYC said:
I think it's within everyone's right to be proud of where he/she is from and have a level of geographic based pride. Check out the folks from Boston, New York City and the entire state of New Jersey. How about the great residents of Chicago. Ever meet someone from San Diego who swears they have the best weather and will talk you to death until you agree? I'm pretty sure Hawaiians will do the same. I've met a number of pretty neat proud coffee drinkers from Seattle, a really cool lady who swears her great state of
Alaska has the best scenery in all the world, bar none, an entire family from Vegas (well, not really FROM Vegas, but they relocated there - who's really from Vegas originally?) who truly think their fine city is the original City of Lights and will smack you down until you agree.

I've lived in San Diego (did I tell you about the weather in San Diego? It's really the best you can find anywhere... well, except in June. We call it June Gloom... where are you going?), then Boston (whaddaya mean you don't like the Sox?) , even Japan (hey, I'm taller than the entire country... this is the best place EVER! Well, not when you count the fact they put squid on pizza) , then the South (actually Jacksonville - "Y'all have to go north to go south in Florida... and we don't have all those tourists huntin' down the damn mouse...), then the North again (yeah, I live in New York City, what of it? The Sox suck, Jersey sucks, Florida sucks, San Diego weather sucks, where's Japan? You suck. Get outta my way). I've seen varying levels of pride everywhere.

Then there's gay pride (we're here, we're... blah blah blah), black pride, womyn pride, little people pride, disability of every kind in the entire universe pride, metrosexual pride (not sure what that is but it involves expensive lip balm, moisturizers and boy band hair), single parent pride, home schooled pride, men pride (no, not gay pride, see above), here a pride, there a pride, everywhere a pride pride.

Being pride is natural. We've all been proud of ourselves at one time or another. Most of us our proud of where we're from. Well, except for folks from that little country with a name that's pronounced with clicks. Because where the hell is that anyway? Pride is good. But when pride is a veiled attempt at separatism, it becomes pretty stupid if you ask me.

Unless there's a special day to celebrate Tall Half Asian Half Scottish Gay Men With Bad Eyesight Fabulous Hair and Braindead Fat Dogs. If that day comes, I'm going to wave my flag, march in my parade and think you all suck.

:lmao: Rick... I LOVE you, man!!! :lmao:

Still looking for those idiots reddixie says asked her if she's in the Klan.... who the h....?????

Okay, I've read thru all of this stuff and I'm still in shock and hysterics. Nope, don't have to read a book to tell you about the racism in NY and in the South... been there done that, lived it, got the T shirt.

The difference with the racism in the North and in the South is the arrogance in the North is on BOTH sides. In the South there is an imbalance of sorts that comes from it's history. I brought my arrogance to Georgia and was greeted with the subtle "you're not welcome here" attitude along with the I'm going to keep you in your "place" stuff which includes symbols like that flag. Sure, this is America and everyone has the right to do what they want but like so many previous posters said what they display and what they represent reflects who they are.

I'm willing to bet she has a family somewhere who would just welcome me to dinner, too! :yay:
 
If the Confederate battle flag can be tagged as a tribute to slavery, how is it that the American flag has gotten a pass so far? Slavery existed far longer under Old Glory than under the Stars and Bars.
 
RickinNYC-- :lmao: Thanks for the laugh.

I wonder if there is a Left Handed Pride group I can go join, since there seems to be a pride group for EVERYTHING these days.

Sinstrals RULE! :thumbsup2

TOV
 
lucyblondecat said:
I support the girl's right to wear whatever T-shirt she wants.

I also support my right to think she is a dumb redneck for wearing it.

What you said!!!!
 
WeirdEyes said:
Amen, Southern Sister! I have wonderful friends from all over the world and none of them think I'm stupid or a racist just because I'm from Alabama. They judge me for myself, not what part of the country I come from.

:wave2:
 
If she wants to wear the shirt, I'd let her. She could mount a horse, give a Rebel Yell, and declare herself at war for all I care.

I can't believe a kid could wear something like that to school and not have any "accidents," like getting tripped on the stairs or a plate of food dropped in their lap. Kinda disappointed in kids these days. ;)
 
reddixie said:
See my screenname OF COURSE I WOULD! LOUD And PROUD. I don't associate the Confederate Flag with hate or bigotry. I consider it a big part of my history. I have a great great grandfather and some uncles that fought in the war. They fought for something they believed in. It wasn't slavery BTW we were tenant farmers and didn't have any money. They believed in States Rights as well as in the Constitution. I am proud that they stood up for what they believed in. I am and will always be Confederate Proud.

Signed,

REDDIXIEBELLE


Amen!!!! So sick and tired of hearing people bash the dang Confederate flag. Next thing ya know Jessie Jackson will be in on this debate too.. :lmao:
 
Glad to see va32h add some intelligent history to this thread.

Warning - this will be long because it is dear to my heart and I have spent many years studying and researching the War Between the States:

I do own, and do occasionally wear, clothing that contains symbols of the Confederacy, though I generally avoid wearing just the battle flag which the KKK adopted for their racists goals. I prefer to wear one of the official flags of the Confederate government (the Stars & Bars or 3rd National, etc.) If you truly want to form an opinion about such things, perhaps you should do some research first instead of basing all of your opinions on lies you were taught in high school. Perhaps start here: http://www.confederateflags.org/ There you can find all of the flags of the Confederacy, not just the one battle flag that everyone seems to know and hate (whether they know why they hate it or not).

My family has been in the south since the 1700s and I have many ancestors on both sides of my family who fought in the War of Northern Aggression. Some were wounded, a few died, at least one spent a year or two in a Yankee prison camp (all of which were equally as bad as Andersonville, as were all other Southern prison camps – they were all terrible places). None of them owned any slaves as far as I can find. They were all poor farmers. There is a saying – “Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight.” – that very much applies to the Civil War, especially for the South, but also to the North.

Why was the war fought? Economics. Slavery was a part of the economic equation, even the largest part, but it was not the only part, and it only mattered to the extent that they impacted the economy. The South was not fighting to keep black people as slaves any more than the majority of Northerners were fighting to end slavery.

The Northern position on the war didn’t come to include abolition until 1863 – after two years of heavy fighting and many defeats in the East that left Lincoln and the Republican party grasping at straws to find some way to keep the momentum for the war going – enlistments were down, business was suffering, war costs were rising, the death toll was growing rapidly, etc. Issuing the Emancipation Proclamation merely freed the slaves in the few border states (still part of the Union) and had no true legal bearing in the Confederate states – it was the equivalent of the modern USA passing a law stating that all “underprivileged” citizens in Mexico should be paid a welfare stipend by the Mexican government – we don’t have the right to pass anything like that and could only enforce it if we were to invade Mexico and make it happen with the help of our army, which is what the North did during the Civil War. The true reason to issue the Emancipation Proclamation was to prevent foreign governments – namely France and England – from officially recognizing the Confederacy and offering military and economic assistance – assistance which would prolong the war, sway Northern public opinion against Lincoln and the Republicans, and cause them to lose the upcoming presidential elections in November 1864 and many local elections prior to that date.

The other economic factors included Washington wanting to pass steep tariffs on international trade that would very much negatively impact the South, especially the cotton trade, and make an already tenuous economic situation in the South even worse, while at the same time helping the big business up North. Basically it came down to the Northern rich trying to get richer at the expense of the agrarian South. The abolitionist movement was merely a blip on the radar before the War and was mainly a political aim of ministers and a small group of devout women who, as has been mentioned, felt a yearning to help free the ignorant, helpless, mindless negroes and give them their freedom – back in Africa. (Lincoln was a supporter of deporting all freed slaves back to Africa - its true, look it up!) The Underground Railroad didn’t stop in the North, it stopped in Canada. Why? Because most Northern cities were as dangerous to a freed or escaped slave as anywhere in the South. Why? Because they were a threat for jobs, especially to immigrants such as the Irish and Italians. If you saw the movie “Far and Away” or “The Gangs of New York” you got some idea of the racial hatred between the Irish and Italians up North during the Civil War-era and after, but one thing both of those groups could agree on was hatred for blacks who would come in and work at the factories for even less money and thus were a serious threat. A black person in a major northern city was probably more likely to be killed than in the South (because in the south they would simply be returned to slavery).

Slavery was and is a horrible thing. But the problem was that the entire Southern economy was built upon that foundation – a foundation built over the 200 years before the Civil War by Northern and European slave traders and plantation owners – the Caribbean was full of slave plantations owned by European countries, as was Mexico, Brazil, etc. To up and just pull the rug of slavery out from under the Southern economy in one fell swoop would certainly bring about its economic destruction – but the North and the government in power didn’t care, they were rich and would stay rich with or without slavery. So what happened? Slavery was abruptly terminated after the War and as a result the South suffered almost complete economic ruin that in some places is still a problem. (Get off of the interstate and drive along an older highway and count the number of towns you pass that look like 1940s ghost towns.) There had to be a better way to end slavery without destroying the economy of the South – to the detriment of black and white alike – but the hotheads in power didn’t want to compromise. Greed and power hunger ensured that. Brazil went through a peacefull abolition of slavery around the same time as our Civil War. There is no reason the same couldn’t have happened in America.

But that was for the politicians to decide. What of the average Southern farming family? They had no say in the matter and merely found their homelands (the states back then were their true “countries”, not the nation of America – people back then referred to themselves as Virginians or Georgians or Ohioans, not as Americans – that didn’t happen until after the War.) So when a Yankee army came marching into the South, the average Southern male went to defend his land and hearth and home and family. It wasn’t about slavery for the men who fought beneath that Confederate battle flag. It was about their homes and family, it was about the man standing next to them – likely a brother or father or cousin or uncle.

So I will continue to be proud of my Southern ancestry for their determination to resist oppression and tyrannical governments and to defend their land and family. I would also applaud any black slaves who led rebellions for the same reason. They had (and have) every right to freedom. I in no way support or condone slavery – then, now, or ever – but that doesn’t take away from my pride in my non-slaveholding ancestors.

Banning any Confederate flag? While you are at it you must also ban the Puerto Rican or Mexican flag that people hang from the rear view mirrors of their Hondas (see what I did there? I made a gross generalization that all hispanics drive Hondas with little flags in them... it must be true because all people who own any Confederate items are dumb rednecks... hmmm). You must ban those “Proud Black Man / Woman” t-shirts that have an African flag on them. To the person wearing them they represent pride in their heritage. To someone else they represent racism (yes, racism can work both ways - it often appears that people like Jesse Jackson are as racist as anyone in the KKK). Judging someone based solely on one article of clothing without knowing the reasons behind it fits the very definition of prejudice. At the same time, out of respect for others, we don’t have to wear potentially disruptive clothing in public.

I will continue to wear my Confederate clothing to Civil War reenactments (the same way I wear a team shirt to football games). I will continue to occasionally wear my Robert E. Lee t-shirt because he was a great man, a great leader, a great Southern gentleman, and a great American – not because his family had slaves or because he lead an army defending a country that supported slavery. I encourage anyone else who is proud of their heritage to do the same (after they have taken the time to do some research and learn WHY they are proud of their heritage, not just because it is the cool thing to do or because they want to intimidate someone else or fit in with a crowd.)

And I ain't just whistlin' Dixie! :rolleyes1 :thumbsup2
 
So, if the USA was overtaken by Canada or some other country, you all wouldn't still have a "connection" to the flag of the US?

It is a shame that it is identified with haters, and I understand that, because of that, it is offensive, but to those who don't understand a connection with their familial past, well, shame on you. Shame also on the fool who thought it appropriate to injure someone dumb enough to wear a shirt, because you disagree with a concept. Does that make it ok to trip a gay student who wears a shirt stating his/her views? :sad2:
 
Golf4food said:
Slavery was a part of the economic equation, even the largest part, but it was not the only part, and it only mattered to the extent that they impacted the economy.

Well.....yeah, to the extent that it impacted the economy and they weren't going to let it go because of that. Meaning that it was a huge part and, in effect, they were fighting to preserve slavery.

Everybody knows the Civil War wasn't just about slavery, but to downplay the importance of the issue is just trying to rewrite history.

It wasn't our finest hour, just face it. It's hurtful to african americans. It's a war symbol of a war that nearly broke the back of this country and I don't see the upside of it.

I have southern friends -- my sister lives in the south and all her friends are southern. None of our friends would fly the confederate flag. This isn't about being prejudiced against southerners.
 

PixFuture Display Ad Tag












Receive up to $1,000 in Onboard Credit and a Gift Basket!
That’s right — when you book your Disney Cruise with Dreams Unlimited Travel, you’ll receive incredible shipboard credits to spend during your vacation!
CLICK HERE














DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Back
Top