Do you think someone receiving assistance should continue to have children?

2. I take extreme offense at this insensitive and sexist description of women. I find it incredible that this post was allowed to stand. In my opinion, anyone able to make this kind of general statement about women should steer clear of all women.

Insensitive? Sexist? :lmao: OK. If they don't go on BC (him or her), then abstain from "the deed". I'm sorry I wasn't more "PC" for your sensitivities, but that's the cold hard facts. We know what causes a woman to get pregnant. It's very easy to prevent. I just love all the excuses people make for a woman getting pregnant that apparently isn't her fault and someone else needs to pick up the tab for their irresponsible actions.

(and yes, I know that's not true in 100 percent of the cases. I'm not referring to those)
 
Insensitive? Sexist? :lmao: OK. If they don't go on BC (him or her), then abstain from "the deed". I'm sorry I wasn't more "PC" for your sensitivities, but that's the cold hard facts. We know what causes a woman to get pregnant. It's very easy to prevent. I just love all the excuses people make for a woman getting pregnant that apparently isn't her fault and someone else needs to pick up the tab for their irresponsible actions.
(and yes, I know that's not true in 100 percent of the cases. I'm not referring to those)


Hey now, maybe she sat on that toilet seat instead of hovering ;) :rolleyes1 :rotfl2: .
 
I work with people on public assistance every day. I go into their homes on unannounced visits to check their compliance with a host of various court orders. Regarding the internet access, etc., I just wanted to say that the families I work with ARE NOT going to the library to get online. I seriously doubt that most of them have a library card. Long ago, I used to suspect that many of these mothers were probably very low-functioning intellectually. I have since learned, through court ordered psychological evaluations, that this is not true. Most, certainly not all, but most have an IQ well within the average range.

Almost all of my clients get public assistance in one form or several.

Almost all of my clients have pc's, internet access, cable (Lifetime is a BIG favorite!), and cell phones. Some of them have cars with payments higher than my house note. On the other hand, none of them, as far as I know, are going to WDW for a vacation. Though, if they stumble onto the budget board feed your family on $10 a day thread, who knows?
 
there is no such thing as a 'typical increase'-when a woman on assistance has an additional child the grant does not go up. even back when this was not a regulation, at most a grant would increase $150.00-hardly enough for even the best of budgeters to provide minimaly for a child. foodstamps still increase however they go up (depending on the state, their housing costs, utility costs) perhaps $50 (and that is at the high end).

Good luck getting anyone to hear this! People don't want to know that their beliefs are incorrect.

Locally, the only addition that someone "might" qualify for would be WIC on the new pregnancy.

I can't see being on WIC if you can afford luxuries. We could have qualified when I had my oldest. DH was working at the college for nothing (basically) to get that lovely degree, and as a mental health counselor I was making a pitifully small salary. But we were getting by, so we didn't consider it. If you have food on the table, a roof over your head, and gas in the car, you are doing pretty well. Far better than a huge percentage in this world.
 

I can't see being on WIC if you can afford luxuries. We could have qualified when I had my oldest. DH was working at the college for nothing (basically) to get that lovely degree, and as a mental health counselor I was making a pitifully small salary. But we were getting by, so we didn't consider it. If you have food on the table, a roof over your head, and gas in the car, you are doing pretty well. Far better than a huge percentage in this world.

I know people on WIC who can afford luxuries, because the majority of their income isn't taxed. Just looking at our personal tax return, we could easily be eligible for WIC even though we make a whole lot more than what's reported.
 
I know people on WIC who can afford luxuries, because the majority of their income isn't taxed. Just looking at our personal tax return, we could easily be eligible for WIC even though we make a whole lot more than what's reported.

Why would you make more than is reported? Isn't that illegal?
 
Why would you make more than is reported? Isn't that illegal?

Not, military pay in a combat zone isn't taxed. Since DH spends 6-9 months overseas, on our tax return, it looks like he only "worked" three months of taxable income. We receive a housing allowance, which isn't taxed. I don't think the food allowance is taxed, either. Bonuses signed in a combat zone aren't taxed. There's probably more - I don't think TDY pay is taxed and some of the other bonus pays he gets (hazardous duty pay, family separation, flight pay...)
 
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I know people on WIC who can afford luxuries, because the majority of their income isn't taxed. Just looking at our personal tax return, we could easily be eligible for WIC even though we make a whole lot more than what's reported.

You are right. I guess that, like many people, I see situations from my moral compass...good, bad or other. For me, it isn't "right" to take something from others I don't need. Someone said earlier that assistance programs should be a hand-up so that someone no longer needs them, and I agree with this.

Programs like childcare for moms while they take classes, WIC for families caught in a struggle, welfare and food stamps for the unexpected financial crisis are all good programs. I am happy to support them. I get resentful, however, when people take money from taxes, and consistently spend their cash on frivolous items.

I would love free food! These boys work hard, play hard and thrive on healthy, varied diet! If someone gave me food, I could stay on property instead of twiddling my thumbs waiting for the govtravel people to put some decent condos on their site for January.
 
Not, military pay in a combat zone isn't taxed. Since DH spends 6-9 months overseas, on our tax return, it looks like he only "worked" three months of taxable income. We receive a housing allowance, which isn't taxed. I don't think the food allowance is taxed, either. Bonuses signed in a combat zone aren't taxed. There's probably more - I don't think TDY pay is taxed and some of the other bonus pays he gets (hazardous duty pay, family separation, flight pay...)

Ok I didn't know your DH was military so that makes sense. A blanket statment like you made makes it seem like people are just not reporting all of their income so I misunderstood.
 
Ok I didn't know your DH was military so that makes sense. A blanket statment like you made makes it seem like people are just not reporting all of their income so I misunderstood.

Oops, no - I meant, I know people who are LEGALLY not reporting all their income. I'm sure there are some who are illegally doing it as well, but the ones I know do it legally. Personally, I think it's...I don't know, I wish we were taxed properly. It's not a benefit I would be upset to lose.

I would love free food! These boys work hard, play hard and thrive on healthy, varied diet! If someone gave me food, I could stay on property instead of twiddling my thumbs waiting for the govtravel people to put some decent condos on their site for January.

AFVC? We just got Orbit One for October. It's a really good one, I stayed there once before. Big master and the second bedroom has two twins so the boys can be in their own beds. ;)
 
It's not a definitive do or don't. It can be either or depending on the situation. I mentioned WIC because someone else said welfare assistance doesnt' increase when new children are born to families on are already on assistance. Obviously it can under the WIC program.


it would only increase if the new family member met the categorical, residential, income and nutritional risk criteria-a child born to a recipient of wic is not automaticaly eligible to wic-while they would likely automaticaly meet the first 3 criteria unless a medical professional documented that the child had a medical based or dietary based condition (anemia, low birth weight or other conditions per each individual state's criteria-wic is a federal and state program-both fund).

btw-wic serves over 45 PERCENT of all infants born in the u.s.-well above the percentage served by public assistance. while one of the criteria for eligibility is income, the primary criteria and eligiblity requirement is medical and dietary need (the pregnant woman is only eligible by virtue of carrying and providing the nutritional needs of a child).
 
btw-wic serves over 45 PERCENT of all infants born in the u.s.-well above the percentage served by public assistance. while one of the criteria for eligibility is income, the primary criteria and eligiblity requirement is medical and dietary need (the pregnant woman is only eligible by virtue of carrying and providing the nutritional needs of a child).

wow. that is an amazing statistic.

If 45% of all the infants born in the United States are at a nutritional risk, we are really doing a crappy job in the US in educating people on proper nutrition.
 
You are clearly much better versed on this topic than I am. I don't claim to know the exact criteria used by my own state, much less other states. I do know that at any given point in time, I am working with 50-80 families, with many of them being generational users of public assistance. Most of these mothers are no longer receiving monetary benefits for themselves, but they are receiving from $96 to $160 per child per month. Each child gets their own check, with the mother usually as the payee. Although that amount is influenced by the number of children they have, they are still showing an overall increase per month when they have additional children.

Regarding the food stamps (fs), families of 4 in my caseload are typically receiving approx. $600 per month if their only "income" is public assistance, ie; AFDC and public housing (either in a public housing apt. complex or Section 8 housing). When the court grants custody of a child to a relative, we always give a certified copy of the court order to the new custodian so that they can enroll the child in school, get medical treatment, etc. The one place where they never need that certified copy is at the food stamp office. Our local fs office has stated that they are not concerned with whether the person receiving the fs has legal custody, they are only concerned with the number of people who are reported to live in the household. They do sometimes (rarely!) do their own investigation into reported cases of welfare fraud and if they find fraud, the household can be restricted from receiving fs at all for an extended period of time.

In my experience, most people who are cheating the system are only too happy to share their "skills", if they do not believe that you are a direct threat to their benefits. There are small mom and pop type stores all over my city where they can use their fs debit card to acquire cigarettes, alcohol, and even cash. A carton of cigarettes typically cost them $50-$55 dollars in fs. However, since they are not strictly required to show proof of household composition, they can be receiving enough fs to easily allow them to use enough of their fs for these type of purchases on a weekly basis.

Welfare fraud is happening every day in my state, as I suspect it is in all states. Our current system is not even curbing the problem. I don't know the answers, but I know we must find a way to stop the theft without allowing children to go hungry. Because child welfare is my field, I can never advocate for allowing a child to go hungry.

As I said, I don't know where we begin to stop welfare fraud, but I know that it won't be with me if it must be done at the expense of the children in my caseload.


wow-i don't know of any pa program that pays individual checks for each child to the birth mom, but with the situation where the kids are placed by the court with a relative (not just mom dumping the kids:guilty: ) then it's likely foster care in which there would be separate checks for each child (and depending on weather there is a degree of difficulty status for the child then the check amounts could vary).

food stamp program does'nt have a requirement to show a person has legal custody of a child-just have to verify the child is in the home-then they get added to the food stamp household for issuance purposes.

i have to say-the county i worked for was very proactive on fraud prevention and detection. one of the best things they did was create an early fraud unit that permitted staff to send out district attny. investigators to verify claimant information prior to granting. this staff also had access to dmv records to run names as well as vehical reg (always a clue something is going on if multiple vehicals, different addresses, or multiple names on vehical registration). we could also use this staff to investigate allegations of fraud.

2 things that i feel have hampered welfare fraud investigation was the decision that welfare staff would not have access to the bank records of how ebt cash and food stamps were being spent. by looking at those records it would have been evident if food stamps were not being used for their intended purposes, and if public funds were being misused. the other thing is when the feds decided that instead of requiring monthly reporting by clients of their income, property and household status in writing under penalty of purgery-the feds decided that reporting could be done on a quarterly basis. so instead of finding out about a change, or discovering a discrepancy in reporting (envelope mailed from another state, ytd's on paystubbs not matching, kid's school verification not provided) within a month and being able to investigate and address it-you were looking at trying to find out what happend 3 or 4 months after the fact.

i retired a few years ago, and when i speak to some of my former co-workers they are unabashed at how the level of training and staff in human services has decreased. they feel that it's inevitable that many states will opt to privatize-in which case they feel that the level of service, oversight and child protection will drasticly decrease:guilty: :mad: :guilty:
 
wow. that is an amazing statistic.

If 45% of all the infants born in the United States are at a nutritional risk, we are really doing a crappy job in the US in educating people on proper nutrition.

Not surprising when you see what many feed their families and call it nutritious! We all know what thread shows this.;)
 
While there might be "policy," there isn't law that entitles anyone to welfare payments with no strings attached. The policies need to change so that people are given a hand up, not a hand out, and are made to take responsibility for themselves. Sometimes tough love is the best love.

Anne



from one 'duck' to another-stay calm while you read the following:

per federal law-welfare ("public assistance') is defined and designated as an 'entitlement program' with no strings attached. there are application requirements and criteria-but the 'strings' are conditions of CONTINUING eligibility (so you lose the benefits if you don't do them, but you don't have to do them, with the exception of a signed agreement for the state you reside in to pursue and make collection on your child's behalf for child support-to receive benefits).

btw- re wic and income (actualy all public assistance and income) all forms must be reported-taxable and non (and believe me when i tell you, a seasoned eligibility worker has ways of discovering unreported income;) gotta love paper trails;) ).
 
wow-i don't know of any pa program that pays individual checks for each child to the birth mom, but with the situation where the kids are placed by the court with a relative (not just mom dumping the kids:guilty: ) then it's likely foster care in which there would be separate checks for each child (and depending on weather there is a degree of difficulty status for the child then the check amounts could vary).:

I am impressed with your knowledge of how the system worked in your state. Your points make me think that perhaps privatizing our own system will be the only way we will begin to see any true reform.

The only thing I must disagree with (or for that matter, feel qualified to disagree with) is that the children I'm speaking of do get individual checks. I work at Family Court (8 years there), was a foster parent for 12 years, am an adoptive parent, and was a social worker with out state's CPS for 13 years. I have SEEN these checks and no, they are not foster care payments or any type of Social Security checks. They are AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) checks and there is a different check for each individual child. I don't know if this funding is federal or distributed through the state, but I do know that each child in the family receives their own check.

ETA: Rereading your post, I realized that you were referring to having our CPS agency go private. That is, unfortunately, not likely to happen, as our state is now held up as a shing example of how it SHOULD be done. This being after we spend many years under a Federal Consent Decree before being released only earlier this year having been found to be in compliance with ASFA guidelines. Those of us within the system know that this is a joke.
 
Many people read on the Budget Board (how to feed your family on $10./day) about people receiving WIC for each of their children and they are pregnant again (we are talking 3+ children). In the meantime, readers have discovered the individuals receiving WIC:

a) Sit home and do not work; they will argue that being a SAHM is a job but if you require public assistance, you need to get out in the job market.

b) Have Disney trips planned (if you are receiving a hand-out on the taxpayers dime, the taxpayer is not going to be receptive to your plans of going to WDW during Free Dining nor do we want to suggest the best places for you to eat while we stay at home working and providing for our families)

c) Have $50. to blow on a diet drug

Yeah, I can see why people are heated about it.
These are the same people feeding their kids .27 packages of hotdogs and calling it OK. I'm sorry but if you get WIC feed the kids better than that or stop taking my tax dollars.
 
I don't understand WIC? Is it welfare? I can't believe that 45% of children born in the US are on this!!!
 
I don't understand WIC? Is it welfare? I can't believe that 45% of children born in the US are on this!!!

WIC =Woman Infants & Children(under 5) and to me it is like welfare. Tax dollars go into the program and woman are issued "checks" for formula, milk, eggs, cheese, butter, juice, and I'm not sure what else. You must have an income under a certain amount to qualify. I also do not buy that 45 % of children born in the US are on it.
 














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