Do you think prices will continue to rise or come back down?

[MistisoMan]

Though with each new direct resort, their timeline is extended out into the future. Resale contracts keep getting shorter.

Still looking in to my first contract, but don’t resale and direct have the same expiration?

edit: Nvm. Each new resort not each new contract.

 

[jbreen2010]

My guess is they will stabilize a bit but if inflation continues on the same trend who knows.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Still looking in to my first contract, but don’t resale and direct have the same expiration?

edit: Nvm. Each new resort not each new contract.

The major exception being Old Key West, which is 2057 direct. You can occasionally find 2057 resales, but they're very rare.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

For $500 less, you have something you can historically unload in a few years for more or less what you paid (resale), and maybe even make money.

Lots of CCV sellers regretting that direct purchase right now.

I think its too early to tell the real value of CCV. They are relatively a small resort with not that many points. And they're the last of the legacy resort where resale contracts still have access to 14 original resorts. I think it will retain a much better resale value than RR and any future resorts. The only regret I have with CCV is the lack of transportation options and small room sizes. We end up staying at BLT over CCV due to sheer convenience and location. But I'd love to stay at CCV one day, perhaps when the kids are older.

 

[Drewski77]

We bought an SSR contract this spring to use as SAP primarily at Aulani.

We are very happy with our purchase including a bonus trip right now based on availability due to Covid.

I think short term price movements are secondary to when you can start using your points.

In other words, buy a resale contract that is loaded, start taking trips and you’ll be on your way to the break even point versus cash rates with Disney.

Fundamentally Covid has shown everyone the value of time with family, and I see DVC as a great investment in that future…so I certainly don’t see a big drop in value coming.

 

[davidl81]

Historically speaking they won’t likely go down from here. There is a chance you see a small dip from current price points but it may be something like 5% less. There is a greater chance that prices rise (once again short of a recession or major event they have always risen). And if you wait a year to buy not only is it possible prices increase, you have also lost another year of value on the contract.

 

[dsanner106]

Just out of curiosity, I just looked at SSR small points contracts on several resale sites (including site sponsor), and there are 25-50 point contracts, loaded and bare, going for almost $170.00 per point (multiple at $166-$169). That's only $10.00 less than direct add-on.

That is correct, but the primary buyers for small contracts is first time buyers who want the member card, even if now only a white card. They don't have access to add on pricing from DVC so really two different marketplaces.

 

[CarolMN]

Not being fresh here....I really don't know this answer: has there truly ever been a price DECREASE at Disney?

For listed direct prices, the answer is pretty much no. However, Disney does offer purchase incentives that can result in a lower price per point. These incentives vary, are limited in duration, and are almost always better for larger purchases.

 

[striker1064]

Not being fresh here....I really don't know this answer: has there truly ever been a price DECREASE at Disney?

It depends on your definition. For currently on-sale resorts, direct pricing only goes up, although sometimes incentives bring the price you pay lower than it was previously. However, for sold out resorts, the answer is yes, but very rarely. Lots of good information in this thread:

https://www.disboards.com/threads/so-youve-decided-to-buy-dvc.3567366/#post-56896794
In July 2017, VB increased to $115. In November 2018, it decreased to $100, and by June 2019 had only increased back up to $110. Today, VB has only inched back up to $125 - but there are of course other issues with VB.

SSR is another example. As far as I can tell it opened at $104 in June 2007, then dropped to $95 in July 2010. Today of course, SSR is on a rocket up despite being sold out for some time.

I feel like HHI also had a slight decrease at some point, but that may be me mis-thinking it.

 

[RoseGold]

I think its too early to tell the real value of CCV. They are relatively a small resort with not that many points. And they're the last of the legacy resort where resale contracts still have access to 14 original resorts. I think it will retain a much better resale value than RR and any future resorts. The only regret I have with CCV is the lack of transportation options and small room sizes.

I agree CCV has a great combination of contract length, O14, AND those legacy BRV charts. I agree CCV resale is worth more than RIV long term, but the market pricing disagrees!

A few months ago, there was tons of CCV sitting on the market, and I considered buying one particularly good contract as SAP. There's still a few out there that look good for SAP! But the theming is just not for me. I already live in this theme. More importantly, transportation is killer, buses are just not going great for Disney. I don't see any way to get WL on reasonable transportation, compared to, say AKL/SSR, which I think will eventually be on the Skyliner. Even if I never stay there, this is a cost and dues issue long term, so I passed.

 

[kanerf]

I have been watching a BLT 50 pointer that they are asking $205 a point for. That is crazy when RIV is $201 Direct. That said, the offer has been out there for over 40 days.

 

[mlayton14]

I don't see any way to get WL on reasonable transportation, compared to, say AKL/SSR, which I think will eventually be on the Skyliner. Even if I never stay there, this is a cost and dues issue long term, so I passed.

i would be shocked if they added skyliner especially to SSR, and almost as unlikely to AKL? What business sense would it make ? They already sold all the points to SSR and AKL, why spend a billion dollars on customers that have already committed to staying there ? I would see them handing out hundred dollar bills before doing that

 

[Sandisw]

i would be shocked if they added skyliner especially to SSR, and almost as unlikely to AKL? What business sense would it make ? They already sold all the points to SSR and AKL, why spend a billion dollars on customers that have already committed to staying there ? I would see them handing out hundred dollar bills before doing that

Because the Skyliner would be replacing buses? Might be a good move for Diseny.

 

[zavandor]

i would be shocked if they added skyliner especially to SSR, and almost as unlikely to AKL? What business sense would it make ? They already sold all the points to SSR and AKL, why spend a billion dollars on customers that have already committed to staying there ? I would see them handing out hundred dollar bills before doing that

In case of SSR, the aim would be to connect Disney Springs to parks and other resorts and have SSR members pay for part of the maintenance.
Similar for AKL, with the added rumor about an additional hotel floor conversion to DVC.

 

[mlayton14]

Because the Skyliner would be replacing buses? Might be a good move for Diseny.

interesting, didn’t think of that possibility. Hard to imagine skyliner more cost effective but maybe it is? I’ve always thought it was more about convenience / perk so they could sell at higher rates

 

[Nabas]

interesting, didn’t think of that possibility. Hard to imagine skyliner more cost effective but maybe it is? I’ve always thought it was more about convenience / perk so they could sell at higher rates

Disney used the Skyliner to raise room rates at CBR, POP, and AOA by more than 25%. CBR went from the least expensive to most expensive Moderate Resort overnight.

The stop at RIV is simply on the planned path. It added little incremental cost to the project and creates a great marketing tool to aid RIV sales.

Prior to COVID, I did not hear reports of mass layoffs among bus drivers. Unless there were (and I missed it), it’s hard to imagine that Disney’s operating costs were reduced by the Skyliner.

But those buses and bus drivers could be deployed elsewhere, so I can see the Skyliner improving operational efficiency.

 

[mlayton14]

Disney used the Skyliner to raise room rates at CBR, POP, and AOA by more than 25%. CBR went from the least expensive to most expensive Moderate Resort overnight.

The stop at RIV is simply on the planned path. It added little incremental cost to the project and creates a great marketing tool to aid RIV sales.

Prior to COVID, I did not hear reports of mass layoffs among bus drivers. Unless there were (and I missed it), it’s hard to imagine that Disney’s operating costs were reduced by the Skyliner.

But those buses and bus drivers could be deployed elsewhere, so I can see the Skyliner improving operational efficiency.

I just don’t see the skyliner , as an investment, would provide returns needed to make it worthwhile for Disney other than what you say above - attached to a sizeable cash paying resort, or NEW DVC resort

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

I just don’t see the skyliner , as an investment, would provide returns needed to make it worthwhile for Disney other than what you say above - attached to a sizeable cash paying resort, or NEW DVC resort

I totally disagree, respectfully. I think the Skyliner totally makes it worth it, and I am going full-on conspiracy theory here, LOL, but I think the refresh to SS/OKW lobbies and real investment to SS refurbishment, plus the rapid buy-back and price increases to OKW are in anticipation of extending the Skyliner to SS/OKW, possibly POR/PORFQ over to Disney Springs and the eventual Brightliner connection over to there.

Skyliner is a game changer, especially post pandemic. Private cars with good air circulation, able to handle ECVs and the aging/larger-sized American population much more rapidly than the buses, helps their PR for going greener, decreases reliance on buses and traffic, and generates tons of cash, keeping guests on site but zipping over to shop and eat at Disney Springs -- but come back to the resorts as a captive audience.

If you look on the maps, Riviera to Typhoon Lagoon, Disney Springs, and in between SS/OKW/POR/PORFQ are all in close proximity -- by air. By bus, it's still a tedious 10-minute bus ride. Skyliner from Riviera to DS to shop and dine out? Five minutes, no problem.

I really wish DVC would take back the Riviera restrictions, because I can see DVC adding more to existing properties, further stranding Riviera in no-man's land. Have to see what they do with the new DL resort coming with mostly studios, if they put the restrictions on those and really commit to this being the new format going forward. I have a feeling they'll keep poaching on existing properties though and packaging them as new with a Skyliner access to them though.

 

[EYL]

Because the Skyliner would be replacing buses? Might be a good move for Diseny.

However, building the Skyliner at a sold-out DVC resort would be at the expense of the owners along with the long-term maintenance of the stations, no? If so, then it might add a layer of complexity if it will increase the annual dues by a substantial amount. I'm just thinking of the intricacies of a new build, but definitely agree that it would be a good solution.

 

[Sandisw]

interesting, didn’t think of that possibility. Hard to imagine skyliner more cost effective but maybe it is? I’ve always thought it was more about convenience / perk so they could sell at higher rates

Except they added two values and a moderate to the line. So I don’t think it was added for the purpose of selling DVC but another transportation option outside of buses.

Of course, it’s a great thing to have access to for those at RIV.