Do you think prices will continue to rise or come back down?

[Sandisw]

However, building the Skyliner at a sold-out DVC resort would be at the expense of the owners along with the long-term maintenance of the stations, no? If so, then it might add a layer of complexity if it will increase the annual dues by a substantial amount. I'm just thinking of the intricacies of a new build, but definitely agree that it would be a good solution.

Great question on initial build costs. But Disney is in charge of transportation to and from the parks. We lease the land from them so I think they could build it and then owners would be responsible as they would be for RIV

I would assume that it would be no different than how initial costs were decided for RIV because eventually that will be a sold out resort.

IMO, it would simply be a increased cost to owners under the transportation line budget.

 

[mlayton14]

Except they added two values and a moderate to the line. So I don’t think it was added for the purpose of selling DVC but another transportation option outside of buses.

Of course, it’s a great thing to have access to for those at RIV.

i would agree with the post that it was to add resort revenue - charge more for cash rooms

not buying the potential payback for OKW, etc , do they really have a lack of foot traffic problem at Disney Springs? Also, I don’t see people exiting the brightline (or whatever it’s called) for the skyliner - do people take all of their luggage onto the skyliner?

Don’t get me wrong , I really don’t like bus transportation, but the cost/benefit I just don’t see from Disney’s perspective.

 

[zavandor]

I've read here on the Disboards that in the SSR POS there is a clause about the possibility of adding a monorail to the resort and owners would have to pay for maintenance. Of course 20 years ago the Skyliner wasn't in anyone sight. Is it true? I don't remember reading it when I went through the document, but I might have easily missed it. Could they use that clause for the Skyliner? I think it's more likely to happen near resort expiration, so it becomes a more attractive resort after refurb to resell.

 

[zavandor]

I totally disagree, respectfully. I think the Skyliner totally makes it worth it, and I am going full-on conspiracy theory here, LOL, but I think the refresh to SS/OKW lobbies and real investment to SS refurbishment, plus the rapid buy-back and price increases to OKW are in anticipation of extending the Skyliner to SS/OKW, possibly POR/PORFQ over to Disney Springs and the eventual Brightliner connection over to there.

Skyliner is a game changer, especially post pandemic. Private cars with good air circulation, able to handle ECVs and the aging/larger-sized American population much more rapidly than the buses, helps their PR for going greener, decreases reliance on buses and traffic, and generates tons of cash, keeping guests on site but zipping over to shop and eat at Disney Springs -- but come back to the resorts as a captive audience.

If you look on the maps, Riviera to Typhoon Lagoon, Disney Springs, and in between SS/OKW/POR/PORFQ are all in close proximity -- by air. By bus, it's still a tedious 10-minute bus ride. Skyliner from Riviera to DS to shop and dine out? Five minutes, no problem.

I really wish DVC would take back the Riviera restrictions, because I can see DVC adding more to existing properties, further stranding Riviera in no-man's land. Have to see what they do with the new DL resort coming with mostly studios, if they put the restrictions on those and really commit to this being the new format going forward. I have a feeling they'll keep poaching on existing properties though and packaging them as new with a Skyliner access to them though.

My guess is: 98% the new Disneyland tower will have the resale restrictions, 2% they remove them from Riviera too.

 

[Yinn]

Great question on initial build costs. But Disney is in charge of transportation to and from the parks. We lease the land from them so I think they could build it and then owners would be responsible as they would be for RIV

I would assume that it would be no different than how initial costs were decided for RIV because eventually that will be a sold out resort.

IMO, it would simply be a increased cost to owners under the transportation line budget.

Speaking of leases...

What if Disney didn't build a skyline to SSR, but built a skyline to Disney Springs and SSR just happened to be a stop on the way?

Given that in several years there will be a rail station at DS to connect MCO, could the skyline serve as the convenience hub from DS to other resorts? And could the combination of the two serve to raise foot traffic and prices on the retail leases at DS? Anything at SSR would just be a bonus, including the recent rampant buyback of SSR.

 

[Sandisw]

Speaking of leases...

What if Disney didn't build a skyline to SSR, but built a skyline to Disney Springs and SSR just happened to be a stop on the way?

Given that in several years there will be a rail station at DS to connect MCO, could the skyline serve as the convenience hub from DS to other resorts? And could the combination of the two serve to raise foot traffic and prices on the retail leases at DS? Anything at SSR would just be a bonus, including the recent rampant buyback of SSR.

I still think any station at SSR would become the responsibility of the owners there regardless of the motive behind it for Disney.

The other issue with a DS station is whether or not it would cause overflow parking there to avoid theme park parking. So I can’t imagine that would not be part of the discussions if this is to come into play.

I don’t see any situation where a Skyliner station goes to a DVC resort that doesn’t cost owners their share.

 

[RoseGold]

The other part of this theory is the huge amount of money that Disney paid to get the airport train routed to Disney springs instead of universal. That train actually has some plans for a few years from now. The connecting piece in my mind to the rest of Disney would be skyliner from Disney springs/SSR. It’s the connection to the airport.

Obviously, this plan would be a long way out, but it does make sense to me. As opposed to WL, which is too remote and isolated to be worth adding to the system.

 

[Yinn]

I still think any station at SSR would become the responsibility of the owners there regardless of the motive behind it for Disney.

The other issue with a DS station is whether or not it would cause overflow parking there to avoid theme park parking. So I can’t imagine that would not be part of the discussions if this is to come into play.

I don’t see any situation where a Skyliner station goes to a DVC resort that doesn’t cost owners their share.

I do agree with the costs, which I think would just make it that much more appealing if they can get SSR to absorb some of that.

The parking is an interesting issue. I have never parked at DS so I'm not too familiar with it but based on your statement I assume it's free. Which would probably need a solution to prevent people from parking there for free and then using the rail to MCO. I wonder if that could be made a paid parking, waived with DS purchase situation?

 

[Sparky984]

I don’t think there’s a skyliner headed to DS. Most of what is there is third party businesses. I don’t know the ins and outs but I would suspect it’s not as financially motivating. Plus, didn’t they just redo the bus depot situation a few years ago?

However, Disney could make it so DS parking is no longer free.

Disney gets more money and solves the problem of guests using DS as a route around paying for theme park parking.

They wouldn’t be the first to charge parking for shopping districts.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t think there’s a skyliner headed to DS. Most of what is there is third party businesses. I don’t know the ins and outs but I would suspect it’s not as financially motivating. Plus, didn’t they just redo the bus depot situation a few years ago?

However, Disney could make it so DS parking is no longer free.

Disney gets more money and solves the problem of guests using DS as a route around paying for theme park parking.

They wouldn’t be the first to charge parking for shopping districts.

And what they could do is give some level of support to people who are there to shop and eat if they could find a way?

For example, enter between noon and 6 and get credit toward shopping or dining? It would not stop all but it could deter some?

 

[RoseGold]

Here's a thread on the Brightline train connecting to MCO. There's a lot of zeros in these discussions.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/brightline-update.3834954/

 

[kilik64]

The other part of this theory is the huge amount of money that Disney paid to get the airport train routed to Disney springs instead of universal. That train actually has some plans for a few years from now. The connecting piece in my mind to the rest of Disney would be skyliner from Disney springs/SSR. It’s the connection to the airport.

Obviously, this plan would be a long way out, but it does make sense to me. As opposed to WL, which is too remote and isolated to be worth adding to the system.

Train I think is now quoted as like 2024/25, theres still a big stink over the route from the airport (disney wants the one that doesnt go by universal, universal wants the one that goes by them). I think the last government meeting on it kicked the can down the road.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I don’t think there’s a skyliner headed to DS. Most of what is there is third party businesses. I don’t know the ins and outs but I would suspect it’s not as financially motivating. Plus, didn’t they just redo the bus depot situation a few years ago?

However, Disney could make it so DS parking is no longer free.

Disney gets more money and solves the problem of guests using DS as a route around paying for theme park parking.

They wouldn’t be the first to charge parking for shopping districts.

They could do it just like DTD. $10 for the first hour, and $7 every 30 minutes thereafter. With a $20 minimum purchase, you get 4 hours for $10, and with a table service restaurant validation you get 6 hours for your $10.

In DS they could easily do something similar, but starting at $0 for 2 hours and maxing out just above the current theme park parking fee (say $30). With a store or restaurant validation you could extend your free parking up to say 4 hours (but still not enough time to sneak in a quickie theme park visit).

 

[Disney mac]

I’d bet prices drop significantly in next year. Most owners I personally know are looking to sell based on feelings of last few announcements. Heck I tried to give free nights away to 20 different colleagues and none want to go based on recent announcements. I’d wait to buy…

 

[MistisoMan]

I’d bet prices drop significantly in next year. Most owners I personally know are looking to sell based on feelings of last few announcements. Heck I tried to give free nights away to 20 different colleagues and none want to go based on recent announcements. I’d wait to buy…

Which announcements are you referring to?

 

[DonMacGregor]

I’d bet prices drop significantly in next year. Most owners I personally know are looking to sell based on feelings of last few announcements. Heck I tried to give free nights away to 20 different colleagues and none want to go based on recent announcements. I’d wait to buy…

So I am assuming you are selling?

 

[Disney mac]

So I am assuming you are selling?

STRONGLY looking into selling the 4 contracts we have. We are trying to figure out the best possible options if we do. Any suggestions? I'm waiting for 2 of the resale companies and DVC to call me back to hear the options from each of them.
Edit: Kind of feel like if I am going to sell, now is the time while prices are high.

 

[Disney mac]

Which announcements are you referring to?

People are really down on all of the recent price increases, loss of ME, and Genie +. I work in one of the most affluent areas of the Chicago area and people are just really down on Disney and looking to move on, and these are the people Disney has usually been targeting. Everyone has their own opinions, but it has been shocking to hear the talk from people who would go 2-3 times a year.

 

[DonMacGregor]

STRONGLY looking into selling the 4 contracts we have. We are trying to figure out the best possible options if we do. Any suggestions? I'm waiting for 2 of the resale companies and DVC to call me back to hear the options from each of them.

Nope. We are quite happy with our membership, know of no other members who want to sell, and to be honest I’d only have to ask 2 or 3 friends if they wanted free nights in a Disney resort before I found a taker (and with schedules likely being the only reason for anyone balking).

 

[Disney mac]

Nope. We are quite happy with our membership, know of no other members who want to sell, and to be honest I’d only have to ask 2 or 3 friends if they wanted free nights in a Disney resort before I found a taker (and with schedules likely being the only reason for anyone balking).

Just got off the phone with DVC services and found out that they would only be willing to buy back our AKL points, not our Poly or GF. Also said they are getting many calls inquiring about selling....interesting... If you or anyone else has any ideas, I would take them.