Do You think DISNEY has gone down hlll the last few years?

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"Disney has gone downhill' in one post...........

Then scroll to a different forum to read 'Disney better continue Free Dining to our December trip'. LOL.

Not to mention the countless threads on 40% off rates, AP rates (although I LIKE those, LOL), and Buy 4-get-3-free deals.

These discounts don't fall out of the sky, so they come from somewhere. I personally can deal with some mediocre service in return for the killer rates I've been getting the past few years.
 
1. We're not bored or we wouldn't keep going.
2. Yes, there are more parks and more resorts. There seems to be less emphasis on keeping those 2 things clean.
3. Food quality has definitely gone down. There should also be a level for those who don't mind paying cash to get the quality of food that used to be available. It's gone from decent to Golden Corral-edible but not great quality.

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Hi! I agree. We ate at Chrystal Palace last year. The cost was approximately $35.00 plus tip. The food was sub par! YUCK! Now, we also usually go to BOMA (only when the bogus surcharge is not in effect), and the food is awesome.

I keep hearing that Chef Mickey's dinner buffet is terrible. I personally have never eaten their though.
 
And in planning our upcoming trip, I found out that in a five day period Fantasmic is offered only one time...didn't it used to be featured every night?
I seem to remember it showing every night.Once in a five night period is flat out bad.Wow would it be crowded.:scared1:
 
You know what the best VALUE is for your hard earned cash?

The spirit of Aloha show.

I think it's approximatly $50.00 per person, less if you have the TIW card. It includes a full dinner meal (appetizers, entree and dessert) PLUS wine and beer, PLUS entertainment, PLUS your tip! You can NOT go wrong here! The show is good, the food is great, and the beverages were awesome! We love it!!
 

Hi,

Sorry I just started a new thread when my post would probably fit here better.

I just got back from a very short notice suprise visit to Disneyworld for the weekend, just hubby and I. We had a great time and loved the weather and crowds at this time of your but I have one observation...... Background - I have been three times in the last three years and then there are quite a few not so frequent earlier trips over the last 20 years. I don't yet have trip fatigue and do something different each time as well as visit my favorites. These last three trips though the magic just doesn't seem the same and this time I nailed it down to the attitude of the cast members.......my observation is that the more of the CM just don't seem as happy and customer service friendly as they once were.

I don't know if it is because lot more of the cast members seem to be retirees and they are older and sorry to say this can be a little cochety, (sorry to generalize I really don't have anything against older people and would like to work there when I retire). While I generalized the older people it isn't just the older people. Hubby and I were in a store on Main Street browsing the goodies, it was pretty busy and we inadvertantly got in the way of a young CM with a cart on her way to stock some shelves and she was just pissy, we apologised but she just gave us the most awful look of disgust. This is just an example of what we experienced.

I know these are likely to be minimum wage jobs but haven't they always been minimum wage/entry level positions? Maybe the training isn't as good as it used to be or maybe the management isn't as good. The CM's at the gates, in the stores, at the restaurants don't seem as happy and perky as I once remember. To me their morale seemed low, it isn't eveyone but to me it's on the increase, yes they are doing their jobs but there are more that just seem to going through the motions and not adding to the Disney experience which is how CM's were to me and it was something I loved. Their enthusiasm made my trip even more enjoyable.

What is going on? Is anyone else of the same opinion? Am I wrong?
I saw your thread and thought it was fine. It's a shame that some people have to be so negative.

I answered there but I think it's a combination of low pay and difficult working conditions along with people being more difficult and demanding. That is my theory based on my own job at least.
 
still reading! love all your contributions.
one suggestion. if you know you will take a 2nd trip (like we did), we bought the 10 day, no expiration with water parks. no hoppers.
ok, that made only 5 days in the parks per trip,but we've seen and sone it all so many times anyway. and we got 10, non expiring water park tickets! we used up the 10 park tickets, but still have 8 water park (and more) tickets!!
(we used 1 for typhoon lagoon, 1 for disney quest, and that's enough for one lifetime for us:rotfl:) so, for the next 8 trips, we can do a water park (and we probably won't this coming dec,. unless it's really unseasonably warm) and water park tickets will only go up, too,so we thought it was a good choice.
admittedly,I am one who loves the discounts! but I can't believe the price of the DDP for 2011... sheesh.
we just noticed many , seemingly little, things that have gone down.. and not ones that newer guests would notice.

but as a PP had stated, Disney IS a business, and they are doing something right for their profit margin!!! they are keeping guests on site. the resorts are almost always booked.
I don't want people thinking I am
"anti-disney", I'm not! hope to work there one day when we retire (who here doesn't?)
just being objective. (my friends and family would FAINT it they heard me "complain" about Disney! they all say hubby and I are disn'ey's best advertisement, and Disney should pay US for all the free advertising we do for them!:rotfl:
(but I still miss so much of the good stuff that is gone.)
 
Hi Goofy4Prez!!!:wave2:

Long time no see. Glad to see you pop in over here. Hope everyone is doing well.

Brunette:):)

Thanks. I have been very busy over the past several weeks. We sold our old house and moved into a new one. I am also entertaining an offer from someone to buy my company, not sure I'll do it, but at this time it's a very good offer. As for everyone, they are all doing well. I hope all is well with you and your clan.

I'm actually planning out our vacations for next year and can you believe I'm not so sure we are doing WDW next year. We are trying to decide between Hawaii, a cruise, or WDW.

I guess I should return to being on topic. Do I think WDW has gone down hill the last few years?......... YES, But I'm addicted and will return again and again and again and again. :lmao:
 
Thanks. I have been very busy over the past several weeks. We sold our old house and moved into a new one. I am also entertaining an offer from someone to buy my company, not sure I'll do it, but at this time it's a very good offer. As for everyone, they are all doing fine. I hiope all is well with you and your clan.

I'm actually planning out our vacations for next year and can you believe I'm not so sure we are doing WDW next year. We are trying to decide between Hawaii, a cruise, or WDW.

I guess I should return to being on topic. Do I think WDW has gone down hill the last few years?......... YES, But I'm addicted and will return again and again and again and again. :lmao:

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LMAO!!!! Forget Hawaii and the cruise!!! LOL! Come back to Disney! Maybe we can all have another DIS MEET! :thumbsup2

Congrats on the new home! Wow, that sounds really cool and exciting.
 
Hi,

Sorry I just started a new thread when my post would probably fit here better.

I just got back from a very short notice suprise visit to Disneyworld for the weekend, just hubby and I. We had a great time and loved the weather and crowds at this time of your but I have one observation...... Background - I have been three times in the last three years and then there are quite a few not so frequent earlier trips over the last 20 years. I don't yet have trip fatigue and do something different each time as well as visit my favorites. These last three trips though the magic just doesn't seem the same and this time I nailed it down to the attitude of the cast members.......my observation is that the more of the CM just don't seem as happy and customer service friendly as they once were.

I don't know if it is because lot more of the cast members seem to be retirees and they are older and sorry to say this can be a little cochety, (sorry to generalize I really don't have anything against older people and would like to work there when I retire). While I generalized the older people it isn't just the older people. Hubby and I were in a store on Main Street browsing the goodies, it was pretty busy and we inadvertantly got in the way of a young CM with a cart on her way to stock some shelves and she was just pissy, we apologised but she just gave us the most awful look of disgust. This is just an example of what we experienced.

I know these are likely to be minimum wage jobs but haven't they always been minimum wage/entry level positions? Maybe the training isn't as good as it used to be or maybe the management isn't as good. The CM's at the gates, in the stores, at the restaurants don't seem as happy and perky as I once remember. To me their morale seemed low, it isn't eveyone but to me it's on the increase, yes they are doing their jobs but there are more that just seem to going through the motions and not adding to the Disney experience which is how CM's were to me and it was something I loved. Their enthusiasm made my trip even more enjoyable.

What is going on? Is anyone else of the same opinion? Am I wrong?

This is one of the areas that I, as a frequent guest, think they have gone downhill the most. The CM attitudes, which are directly tied to being overworked/underpaid, and flat out nasty, rude and slobbish guests, IMHO, have changed quite a bit. I have seen and heard things the past 4 trips, that I never would have thought I would hear at WDW from staff members. This is an area that is much different over the past 7 years or so.

1. We're not bored or we wouldn't keep going.
2. Yes, there are more parks and more resorts. There seems to be less emphasis on keeping those 2 things clean.
3. Food quality has definitely gone down. There should also be a level for those who don't mind paying cash to get the quality of food that used to be available. It's gone from decent to Golden Corral-edible but not great quality.

1. That's great that you aren't bored - I mentioned it, because we see it over on the DVC boards, as some families go 4 times a year, and then expect Disney to keep changing to suit them.

2. I see a bit of problems with cleanliness, but not huge amounts. Have stayed at every resort, except for GF, Bay Lake (stayed at Contemporary 2x though), and Tree Houses, and all of our resort villas have been clean, as have lobbies and bathrooms. Parks don't look as fresh in some areas, but honestly, it used to bug hubby and I when we'd see Disney re-painting areas that looked fine. Disney used to maintenance too much, and so I think it's good that they aren't wasting money on re-painting and such. That being said, they can spread it out to other areas though, as sometimes bathrooms and garbage cans are overflowing, and we never used to see this 9 or 10 years ago.

3. Food quality has gone downhill, but a buffet is a buffet, so I'm not expecting much there. Plus, it encompasses food and entertainment. The bogus buffet surcharges really bug us though. There are still some very good restaurants on property though - we've eaten at pretty much most of them, including Signatures, so there are still some good ones to be found.

I do not want to look for value and areas where it is STILL good, I want it to be good overall. Universal and Six Flags(again only parks I know) add rides all the time but they do not raise prices. Parks add rides/attractions to keep parks fresh. Disney raise prices every year and in addition it cuts in areas. I do not care about little things as well but there are cleaniness issues and resort management issues and food issues. I cannot justify hotel rates anymore, they just ridiculous. What I pay for and what I get just doesn't match anymore. I do not say Disney gone down hill but it definitely going there.

We stopped going to Universal, as it was same old, same old. They added Harry Potter, but that's about it. Remember, a 1 day ticket to Universal and Sea World is now the same cost as Disney, and those 2 parks have way less stuff than Disney does. Universal has to heavily discount though, as they don't have much there, IMHO, and the food is yucky (except for a few City Walk restaurants). I admit some hotel rates are crazy high, but there have been a lot of discounts over the last few years, that have brought Values and Moderates to very low levels. Again though, you'll always find off-site hotels cheaper, as they have to secure business.

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Hi! I agree. We ate at Chrystal Palace last year. The cost was approximately $35.00 plus tip. The food was sub par! YUCK! Now, we also usually go to BOMA (only when the bogus surcharge is not in effect), and the food is awesome.

I keep hearing that Chef Mickey's dinner buffet is terrible. I personally have never eaten their though.

That's funny, as we don't find Boma that great at all - horrible service each and every time we've been there. Have been to Crystal Palace more times than I can count, and we have always had consistently good service, characters and food, and the prices are still pretty reasonable (except for peak periods of surcharges). Chef Mickey's is not that good, but it also suffers from kids running all over the place - it has greatly improved over the last 2 years though.

It's interesting to keep reading everyone's differing perspectives! Tiger :)
 
I'll admit, on my recent trip I thought about this thread a couple of times. I can't say that I feel Disney has gone down hill, but we did notice a couple cutbacks (bus stops being combined, food choices being changed to less expensive meats, etc.) that made me stop and think. I'm just going on the assumption that they're related to the economy and hopefully they aren't lasting changes.

None of the cutbacks ruined our vacation though. We're already planning next year's trip and the only thing that has changed because of our experiences this year is that we're picking a different resort.
 
We stopped going to Universal, as it was same old, same old. They added Harry Potter, but that's about it. Remember, a 1 day ticket to Universal and Sea World is now the same cost as Disney, and those 2 parks have way less stuff than Disney does. Universal has to heavily discount though, as they don't have much there, IMHO, and the food is yucky (except for a few City Walk restaurants). I admit some hotel rates are crazy high, but there have been a lot of discounts over the last few years, that have brought Values and Moderates to very low levels. Again though, you'll always find off-site hotels cheaper, as they have to secure business.
How long ago did you stop going? They've also added the Rip Ride Rocket thing and the Simpsons. Shrek and Jimmy Neutron are pretty new and Disaster is a redone attraction. Even the Mummy's Revenge is fairly new. We easily spend four days at Universal but of course YMMV in that regard.

I also don't agree that the food is yucky but it could have been at one time. We are usually quite happy with our food even though I would agree that there are a few yucky places.

One more thing, you won't find the level of discounts at Universal that you once did. That part is a shame IMO.
 
3. Food quality has gone downhill, but a buffet is a buffet, so I'm not expecting much there. Plus, it encompasses food and entertainment. The bogus buffet surcharges really bug us though. There are still some very good restaurants on property though - we've eaten at pretty much most of them, including Signatures, so there are still some good ones to be found.



We stopped going to Universal, as it was same old, same old. They added Harry Potter, but that's about it. Remember, a 1 day ticket to Universal and Sea World is now the same cost as Disney, and those 2 parks have way less stuff than Disney does. Universal has to heavily discount though, as they don't have much there, IMHO, and the food is yucky (except for a few City Walk restaurants). I admit some hotel rates are crazy high, but there have been a lot of discounts over the last few years, that have brought Values and Moderates to very low levels. Again though, you'll always find off-site hotels cheaper, as they have to secure business.



That's funny, as we don't find Boma that great at all - horrible service each and every time we've been there. Have been to Crystal Palace more times than I can count, and we have always had consistently good service, characters and food, and the prices are still pretty reasonable (except for peak periods of surcharges). Chef Mickey's is not that good, but it also suffers from kids running all over the place - it has greatly improved over the last 2 years though.

It's interesting to keep reading everyone's differing perspectives! Tiger :)

When I mentioned Golden Corral I didn't mean the buffets, I meant Le Cellier and Liberty Tree Tavern. Even The Coral Reef food is not as good as it was even 2 years ago.

The Universal Parks we love!
They always feel updated. I haven't seen the chipping paint and dirty bathrooms that I have seen at Disney World.

I agree with the food except for Mythos. That restaurant has unique and delicious food.

Universal gift shops have merchandise that pertains to the area where it's located. It isn't the same old stuff in each shop as unfortunately has become the norm at Disney World. There are exceptions at WDW but not many.

The resorts blow the Disney resorts out of the water. The staffs are fabulous.
 
We stopped going to Universal, as it was same old, same old. They added Harry Potter, but that's about it. Remember, a 1 day ticket to Universal and Sea World is now the same cost as Disney, and those 2 parks have way less stuff than Disney does. Universal has to heavily discount though, as they don't have much there, IMHO, and the food is yucky (except for a few City Walk restaurants). I admit some hotel rates are crazy high, but there have been a lot of discounts over the last few years, that have brought Values and Moderates to very low levels. Again though, you'll always find off-site hotels cheaper, as they have to secure business.

I must disagree about Universal. They have more concentration of great rides then Disney. Disney rides spread all over. You have to hop around, wasting time on transportation and money on hoppers to ride same amount of rides you can in each Universal park. WWOHP is just a big addition. They did add rides before as well, you just did not go for a while. As for 2 vs 4 parks. I personally find DHS and AK a half day parks done in 1 day and can be skipped at all any time. I spend most of my vacation at MK and Epcot, like many others, which brings me to conclusion that I actually have 2 vs. 2 parks.
Disney is bigger and creates illusion that you need the whole lot of time to do everything when in reality people just do same things again and again, becausenot everythig appeals to everyone. At Universal it seems more even, every ride is a hit, you want to do everything and you do not want to skip. With this being said to do everything you actually want to do, you will probably need the same ammount of days 3-4 for both Disney and Universal and therefore I do not see why price should be higher for Disney.
 
Just from reading the last few posts, things come down to individuals perceptions, likes, dislikes, etc. This leads to the going downhill vs not going downhill discussions. What one sees maybe another does not.

But for WDW, the bottom line is the bottom line they are in it to make a profit and they are doing the best they can to do so. Things are being added, things have been taken away, things have changes, and prices have gone up. But the large percent of WDW guests go maybe once or twice in a lifetime and never recognize or see what was taken away or changed. Those that go every year or multiple time a year will.

Those that have gone multiple times over the last 20 yrs may have seen more taken away or changed than I have, I only started going to WDW since 2004. And even with that, I have noticed changes etc that I do not believe to be the best (IE Fantasmic, some food etc) but it has not been enough to change my thoughts about going to WDW. And to me anyway, even on the dis, the changes (WDW has not gone downhill enough) to make a lot of folks stop going.
 
I'm just back and was primarly in MK, Epcot & Worlds and Studios - I thought the cleaniness was good, food good but yes, some of the CMs need to find other jobs. And yes, their supervisors should know. I know that may sound harsh but a supervisor firing a continual pissy CM in the long run may do her a favor. If you want to work at WDW, you'll have to take crowds and people in stride. And if you can't anymore then please do yourself and Disney customers a favor and stop working there. At one time Disney had the reputation of having the best customer service CMs. The quality has suffered. I found the best CMs were the senior citizens working there and the exchange students! I do wish Disney would read our observations and work on adding them. It would make The Happiest Place on Earth even more awesome! Hope everyone gets get Disney memories. Ely
 
3. Food quality has gone downhill, but a buffet is a buffet, so I'm not expecting much there. Plus, it encompasses food and entertainment. The bogus buffet surcharges really bug us though. There are still some very good restaurants on property though - we've eaten at pretty much most of them, including Signatures, so there are still some good ones to be found.

Buffet is buffet but when you pay as much as $36 per person plus tip and tax, I expect a good quality. Yes there are many places you can find a good quality food at including signature dining but the key wordis "find". When you go to some place and spend on 3 people $120 and get poor quality, do you leave a place and going to "look" for another place, probably not, you spent money already. The point is you do not know when you get poor quality, smaller portions, different meat and so on. It is hit or miss and that is what the peoblem is.
 
How long ago did you stop going? They've also added the Rip Ride Rocket thing and the Simpsons. Shrek and Jimmy Neutron are pretty new and Disaster is a redone attraction. Even the Mummy's Revenge is fairly new. We easily spend four days at Universal but of course YMMV in that regard.

I also don't agree that the food is yucky but it could have been at one time. We are usually quite happy with our food even though I would agree that there are a few yucky places.

One more thing, you won't find the level of discounts at Universal that you once did. That part is a shame IMO.

It's been awhile, as I said, as we much prefer WDW. I can't comment on the Universal of late, but we went for several years in a row, and we got tired of it. I hate rides, and don't go on them, but hubby does, so he got bored of Universal, as they didn't really add anything new for quite awhile. It seems that over the past few years, they've added rides, but we have no desire to go there at all. It just doesn't compare to Disney, IMHO.

When I mentioned Golden Corral I didn't mean the buffets, I meant Le Cellier and Liberty Tree Tavern. Even The Coral Reef food is not as good as it was even 2 years ago.

The Universal Parks we love!
They always feel updated. I haven't seen the chipping paint and dirty bathrooms that I have seen at Disney World.

I agree with the food except for Mythos. That restaurant has unique and delicious food.

Universal gift shops have merchandise that pertains to the area where it's located. It isn't the same old stuff in each shop as unfortunately has become the norm at Disney World. There are exceptions at WDW but not many.

The resorts blow the Disney resorts out of the water. The staffs are fabulous.

I agree that Le Cellier and LTT are not that good, and we stopped going to Coral Reef a few years ago. These places are not horrible, just not that great, and since we go so often, we have other places to eat. For many though, these places are fantastic. I really think it has to do with going so often for many people, as most first timers I talk to or help plan trips of, say Disney food is fabulous.

I must disagree about Universal. They have more concentration of great rides then Disney. Disney rides spread all over. You have to hop around, wasting time on transportation and money on hoppers to ride same amount of rides you can in each Universal park. WWOHP is just a big addition. They did add rides before as well, you just did not go for a while. As for 2 vs 4 parks. I personally find DHS and AK a half day parks done in 1 day and can be skipped at all any time. I spend most of my vacation at MK and Epcot, like many others, which brings me to conclusion that I actually have 2 vs. 2 parks.
Disney is bigger and creates illusion that you need the whole lot of time to do everything when in reality people just do same things again and again, becausenot everythig appeals to everyone. At Universal it seems more even, every ride is a hit, you want to do everything and you do not want to skip. With this being said to do everything you actually want to do, you will probably need the same ammount of days 3-4 for both Disney and Universal and therefore I do not see why price should be higher for Disney.

I totally disagree about AK and DHS as not being worth going to. Again, it depends upon what your likes are - if you like thrill rides, there are a few of those at AK, so is it the animals that you don't care for? We love AK! DHS isn't that great, but that's because the layout isn't that great, and the attractions needs updating, but the kids love it there at Playhouse Disney, Animation house and Indiana Jones, especially.

Prices are higher at Disney because there is much more to do. Just because you don't like the other 2 parks, you can't take them out of the mix. Disney has 4 parks, and despite being to WDW many, many times, we still haven't done it all! Even my hubby says that Universal does not compare to Disney in terms of amount of attractions, shows and restaurants. Not everything is a hit at Universal for everyone - you seem to favour Universal over Disney, but perhaps that's because you love thrill rides or coasters? We don't, so WDW is better for us. Last time I was at Universal, they didn't have parades, nor fireworks, so that alone is a major difference. Honestly, with being DVC members, we actually have stopped to smell the roses at WDW, and there really is a lot to do and take in.

Buffet is buffet but when you pay as much as $36 per person plus tip and tax, I expect a good quality. Yes there are many places you can find a good quality food at including signature dining but the key wordis "find". When you go to some place and spend on 3 people $120 and get poor quality, do you leave a place and going to "look" for another place, probably not, you spent money already. The point is you do not know when you get poor quality, smaller portions, different meat and so on. It is hit or miss and that is what the peoblem is.

What is good quality to you, might not be to another. I come from an award winning Italian restaurant family, and so I know food, and most of the buffets aren't that bad. Are they worth $36.00 is another question altogether, but I don't think they are as horrific as you are making them out to be. I do agree most of the buffets are overpriced (we go during peak season upcharges) though. What encompasses poor quality to you? What restaurants do you consider to be poor quality? Some restaurants are hit and miss, but many of them have remained pretty consistent over the years in both service and food. Have there been cutbacks? Absolutely! But there have been cutbacks in other areas - it is totally unreasonable for anyone to say that Disney shouldn't cutback in any area. I expect and want them to make a profit, or there won't be a Disney to go to in the future...

Such an interesting discussion, Tiger
 
Just thought I would throw my two cents in here.I think 36.00 for a buffet is nuts!!! I like golden corral and if they can make money at 10 bucks a head why can't disney at 15 or 20?The food I have had at universal is better in my opinion.The pizza we had there was great.Cinnabon also is a big hit with us too!Now when it comes to food I am more of the diner type.No fancy stuff for me,so my opinion isn't from a fine dining perspective.I also will say universal has been alot more productive making new attractions in the past decade.Disney is slowing down in this department.
 
It's been awhile, as I said, as we much prefer WDW. I can't comment on the Universal of late, but we went for several years in a row, and we got tired of it. I hate rides, and don't go on them, but hubby does, so he got bored of Universal, as they didn't really add anything new for quite awhile. It seems that over the past few years, they've added rides, but we have no desire to go there at all. It just doesn't compare to Disney, IMHO.




I agree that Le Cellier and LTT are not that good, and we stopped going to Coral Reef a few years ago. These places are not horrible, just not that great, and since we go so often, we have other places to eat. For many though, these places are fantastic. I really think it has to do with going so often for many people, as most first timers I talk to or help plan trips of, say Disney food is fabulous.



I totally disagree about AK and DHS as not being worth going to. Again, it depends upon what your likes are - if you like thrill rides, there are a few of those at AK, so is it the animals that you don't care for? We love AK! DHS isn't that great, but that's because the layout isn't that great, and the attractions needs updating, but the kids love it there at Playhouse Disney, Animation house and Indiana Jones, especially.

Prices are higher at Disney because there is much more to do. Just because you don't like the other 2 parks, you can't take them out of the mix. Disney has 4 parks, and despite being to WDW many, many times, we still haven't done it all! Even my hubby says that Universal does not compare to Disney in terms of amount of attractions, shows and restaurants. Last time I was at Universal, they didn't have parades, nor fireworks, so that alone is a major difference. Honestly, with being DVC members, we actually have stopped to smell the roses at WDW, and there really is a lot to do and take in.



What is good quality to you, might not be to another. I come from an award winning Italian restaurant family, and so I know food, and most of the buffets aren't that bad. Are they worth $36.00 is another question altogether, but I don't think they are as horrific as you are making them out to be. I do agree most of the buffets are overpriced (we go during peak season upcharges) though. What encompasses poor quality to you? What restaurants do you consider to be poor quality? Some restaurants are hit and miss, but many of them have remained pretty consistent over the years in both service and food. Have there been cutbacks? Absolutely! But there have been cutbacks in other areas - it is totally unreasonable for anyone to say that Disney shouldn't cutback in any area. I expect and want them to make a profit, or there won't be a Disney to go to in the future...

Such an interesting discussion, Tiger

Sure you can find what to do in AK and DHS but for many those are not major attractions. Many people go there just because they are there but take MK and Epcot out, how many people will travel to see AK and DHS. In Disney, as much as I love this place, many rides or attractions are just to fill the place. Real hits are spread in all 4 parks and there are not that many. I understand that it depends on taste but there is a line for SM and no line for COP for a reason. Universal does not do "filling space" rides. They stay focused, right on a point. As much as I love Disney feel, all my favorite rides come from Universal and note that I do not do roller coaster. Why do you think there are so huge lines in Disney, because there are not enough rides. As for fireworks,true Universal got none, although Disney cuts here as well. Fantazmic is like a blessing, so rare. Illuminations, missing some fireworks, LOW were a symbol of Epcot on Christmas. I cannot justify those cut, those are major, major attractions.

As for food, I do not need to be from award winning family to know what I eat is not good quality or quantity. I respect their rights to make a profit but increasing price and reducing quantity and quality at the same time is not a good business.
 
Just thought I would throw my two cents in here.I think 36.00 for a buffet is nuts!!! I like golden corral and if they can make money at 10 bucks a head why can't disney at 15 or 20?The food I have had at universal is better in my opinion.The pizza we had there was great.Cinnabon also is a big hit with us too!Now when it comes to food I am more of the diner type.No fancy stuff for me,so my opinion isn't from a fine dining perspective.I also will say universal has been alot more productive making new attractions in the past decade.Disney is slowing down in this department.

I agree that $36.00 for a buffet is a lot, but so is $5.00 for a latte. I think Disney is slow to make new attractions as you have the nostalgia factor. Can you imagine the mass hysteria that would ensue if you took away Space Mountain or It's a Small World? There is a certain air of nostalgia to Disney, of which there is none at Universal. I think that is the big difference between how Disney and Universal operate.

Sure you can find what to do in AK and DHS but for many those are not major attractions. Many people go there just because they are there but take MK and Epcot out, how many people will travel to see AK and DHS. In Disney, as much as I love this place, many rides or attractions are just to fill the place. Real hits are spread in all 4 parks and there are not that many. I understand that it depends on taste but there is a line for SM and no line for COP for a reason. Universal does not do "filling space" rides. They stay focused, right on a point. As much as I love Disney feel, all my favorite rides come from Universal and note that I do not do roller coaster. Why do you think there are so huge lines in Disney, because there are not enough rides. As for fireworks,true Universal got none, although Disney cuts here as well. Fantazmic is like a blessing, so rare. Illuminations, missing some fireworks, LOW were a symbol of Epcot on Christmas. I cannot justify those cut, those are major, major attractions.

As for food, I do not need to be from award winning family to know what I eat is not good quality or quantity. I respect their rights to make a profit but increasing price and reducing quantity and quality at the same time is not a good business.

Where to begin! COP has lines in the summer too! I love COP, as do thousands of other guests - as I said above, Disney has nostalgia and Walt's memory to constantly deal with, so I honestly believe they think very carefully about major additions. I wonder how long the new MK plans have been in the works for?

It seems to me that you prefer Universal, for whatever reason, but I just don't agree with many of your points. The huge lines aren't because there aren't enough rides at Disney, it's because Disney is always packed with guests! Universal doesn't have huge lines, because they are not as packed with guests. Disney services more guests than any other family destination in the world, so even during slow times, they will have more guests than Universal or Sea World. I'm sorry, but Disney has way more to do than both Universal and Sea World put together - just because you don't find value in those experiences, does not mean that they don't exist. They are still there, and many of us do partake in them. There are lots of hidden experiences and not so popular attractions or shows that are great, and this is part of why we love Disney.

I don't understand your logic...Universal has no fireworks, yet you seem to be ok with that, over the fact that Disney has cut back on some fireworks (honestly, Illuminations is my favourite fireworks show, and I didn't notice any difference in July). Disney still has fireworks, whereas Universal and Sea World have none. I'm confused...

I will agree, and have said many times, that food has been cutback, but as I said, I really don't think it's that horrible. I've eaten incredible food all of my life, and I really don't feel the buffets are all that horrible. Overpriced, yes, but unedible, no. McDonald's on the other hand is unedible food. If Disney makes cuts, and people still eat at their restaurants, than they are doing good business. Restaurants have to cut all of the time, as food products and labour costs are always increasing. Us regulars may be a bit more selective or hard on Disney, as we've eaten everywhere, but most people I know, think Disney's food is wonderful. Will Disney continue to cut? More than likely, as costs keep rising. Despite this, millions of guests are still buying the Dining Plans and eating in Disney's restaurants, so something is working for them at this point.

So, I won't say that Disney is going downhill, due to some cutbacks. They have to cutback, as most every company has had to do as of late. I would rather a few cutbacks, then park or resort closures. We've all seen other family destinations up and close their doors. Could it happen at Disney? None of us know the bottom line, so we have to trust that a few cutbacks are necessary. I'm sure we all have different thresholds as to how much cutback is acceptable, and that is where this discussion is so great!

YMMV, Tiger
 
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