Do You think DISNEY has gone down hlll the last few years?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Hey All!

I'm going to try to upload a pictures. I have them in an album within Photo Bucket.

I may need some help. LOL
 
brunette8706
 

I don't even see the red X, lol! This board is difficult with pics, I think.... Can you maybe link to an album or create an album of just the pics you want to display and then post the link?:goodvibes

**
UGH! Thank LuckyPrincess I'm going to try one more time! SHEESH!

**
Hey ya Suellen!

This is a pain in the you know what! LOL! I'm going to try this again!

Thanks girls!

Brunette:wizard:
 
WLBedding.jpg
[/IMG]
Okay here is bedding that is very worn, faded and frankly ugly at the Wilderness Lodge.

1098-1.jpg
[/IMG]

Here is bedding that is newer, fresher, more updated at Yacht Club
 
Robert A. Iger C.E.O. Disney Corporation

Dear Mr. Iger:

I am writing this on behalf of the many friends, patrons, guests and "lovers" of Disney World, whom have expressed an interest and in some regards, disdain over the direction Disney World has chosen to pursue over the duration of your current tenure. As also a stockholder, though minimal, my interests are also in profit as is the expressed interests of many whom with I have conversed over time. There are two worlds of conflict here that I wish to express to you, if you grace me with the privilege of your attention with this letter.

Before I begin, allow me to preface my thoughts with a few statements. I (we) love "all things Disney". Not just an animated image upon a screen but all that image would espouse in terms of fantasy, imagination and pure joy! Myself, along with any implied or expressed compatriots in this cause, are not only "fans" of Disney but active spending guests (customers) whom have love "all things Disney" for most, if not all of our collective lives. We still do and please accept this communication with the courtesy and respect with which it is offered. As difficult as it may be, your position is enviable. You have the great fortune of being the C.E.O. of an industry that was created for the sole purpose of bringing happiness upon people and especially, children.

What is not "envious" however, is the dire responsibility that goes along with that title. There is a tightrope of running a profitable corporation and one that acts with civil responsibility. Disney, the "Disney Corporation" is unique. It is a mega-entity. It is a monster in terms of corporate giants, yet has to succumb to the most menial among us, children without taking advantage of the same. For these thoughts, I respectfully apologize up front for the following words I am about to write.

There are many of us, lifelong fans of Disney, whom have been guests from our early childhood. Some of us, have become not only regular guests but frequent guests in the parks, hotels and restaurants of Disney. For this letter, please know we only refer to Disney World and not Disneyland. As return guests, many of those for whom I speak, are annual passholders both local and national. We have concerns about the "magic" and how the paradigm of Disney has seemed to change.

To reiterate, all of us are aware that profit is necessary for a corporation to survive. The Magic Kingdom cannot exist if it is losing money, the same with any other Disney endeavor. Of this, we are aware. Not only that, but it is passionately clear, that our "dream" vacation cannot exist, if it is not profitable. In other words, Disney is not in the business of losing money so folks can live their dreams. Disney is in the business of providing a service at a cost to guests whom love the product they provide.

That being said, it has been noticed, that recently Disney has gone further to profit than it has in the past. To put this obvious fact to task, let me mention some points of contention. Turkey Legs in the parks for example, in 5 years have risen in price over 50 percent. Stroller rentals, from $18.00 two years ago, to over $30.00. Parking, has risen to $14.00 from $7.00 just a few years ago. Not only this, but those of us whom lived off of the "Disney Buffets", have not only noticed a major increase in base pricing but the infuriating "holiday surcharge". Forgive me for saying Mr. Iger, but this is nothing short of exploitation.

Sidebar: I spoke to my wife a few years back and told her, that Disney will continue to raise prices until the bottom falls out. Frankly speaking sir, my wife and I have plenty of money to spend on our vacations. We are financially solvent and responsible as are I'm sure, most folks whom travel to Disney are, they have to be, especially now. Though I am not a marketing expert, I have always been amazed at the success of a corporation like Wal-Mart, where a 15% mark-up of cost is the norm and the company thrives. Meanwhile, competitors whom either cannot, or do not sell at that margin, opt for higher margins of profit per item. It feels as though Disney is following the latter example.

Those of us whom have been around long enough, know of the changes and lack of attention to details that had been at times previous, the standard. Now, it appears that Disney seems to be driven by profit alone and guest experience, secondary or worse. While it is true that first timers or one timers will not notice such details, those of us whom return, year after year, dollar after dollar to spend at your parks are being either ignored or marginalized to the point of irrelevance.

I/we have no knowledge of your ledger or how much return guests affect the bottom line. As a small business owner myself, I can say without a doubt, that next to the most important part of your business is your customer, it is mostly, your "return customers". There is no advertising that can compare with word of mouth. In a small business such as my own, one negative voice can be my doom. Not so with Disney. Yet, when a time comes when you get enough voices speaking out against you, even the DVC cannot "right the ship".

We are loyal customers, remember us.

We do not like surcharges. We do not like hidden costs and obscene costs like stroller rentals that challenge even the most open minded guests. We know when we are being gouged, plain and simple. Instead of offering free dining, why not offer: a good price for a room with competitive dining. Frankly speaking sir, there is no comparison to Disney in terms of service, food quality and value..., or at least, not quite yet. But it is coming. Us returning guests are getting angry. We are feeling left out. We don't want gimmicks we don't want "sales". We just want "magic". Disney sells itself. Universal doesn't compare. Trust your product.

TRUST YOUR PRODUCT!

Disney is second to none in terms of fantasy. That is why so many of us come back year after year. That is why so many of us, whom own homes within earshot of "Wishes" spend thousands of dollars a year to stay on property. We want princess' and fairy tales. We don't want to be soaked of our last dime for the bottom line.

End the sales. End the price increases. Focus on the product and return it to the excellence that Walt Disney imagined.

Disney is an American Icon. Nothing else can compare. For that responsibility and that amount of image, the time has come for the Disney Corporation to focus on it's core of supporters whom come back year after year. I don't have the books, I don't know the impact but at the end of the day, I know without a doubt, we affect the bottom line. If we are forgotten or ignored, how much that "affect" has will be known.

Many would choose to just let things go. Some of us, "many" of us, feel as though we are being exploited. We don't like surcharges. We don't like prices rising at a rate several times that of inflation. We don't like the lack of courtesy extended by Cast Members. These things all have changed over time, especially lately. If they change too much, imagine how the profits will fall when not only returning guests stay away but new guests find that their money could be better spent elsewhere.

Respectfully,

A common Disney Fan.
 
RE: Kool Aid and proud of it


You know, just because someone can afford to stay in a Disney Deluxe Resort does not mean they appreciate TRUE Deluxe standards. Just because someone CAN eat in an expensive Disney restaurant does not mean they can appreciate fine cuisine. It just means they can pay for it.

Perhaps they can't see the decline in food quality at Le Cellier beause they simply don't know the difference between Prime and Select. Nothing wrong with that. That's why you find the $12.99 steak platters at restaurants!! By the way....for those who didn't notice, Prime cuts of beef at most Disney restaurants are now long gone..but they DID increase prices when they introduced lower standards
!)


since I work at a steak house, I can detect the difference in steak quality. the LE Cellier steak quality has gone down. definitely. I have eaten there 4 times. the first 2.. heavenly!! the 3rd, very good, the last... "eh..ok"
I do HAVE to say I had the BEST filet EVER in AUG 2009 at Jikos.
 
Hey All!

Did my photo comparison's come out okay? I can see them on my end, but can ya'll see them? Thanks Everyone!

Brunette
 
Luckeyprincess=

Are you getting ready for your trip? Where did you say you were staying again? LOL! Are you going to get the free dining?
 
Luckeyprincess=

Are you getting ready for your trip? Where did you say you were staying again? LOL! Are you going to get the free dining?

Hi! I can see your pics - they came out great! Quite a difference, to me.

I'm getting ready - still feel like I have a ton to do before Friday!! Yay! I'm staying at AKL in a savannah view - can't wait! We didn't do free dining since we don't want any dining reservations (we're not much for structure :laughing:) so opted for the 40% summer rates! :goodvibes
 
Hi! I can see your pics - they came out great! Quite a difference, to me.

I'm getting ready - still feel like I have a ton to do before Friday!! Yay! I'm staying at AKL in a savannah view - can't wait! We didn't do free dining since we don't want any dining reservations (we're not much for structure :laughing:) so opted for the 40% summer rates! :goodvibes

**

I love the Animal Kingdom Lodge! You'll have a good time. We stayed there twice a few years back. We alway use the 40 percent instead of opting for the dining. Remember take plenty of pictures if you can. LOL!
 
RE: Kool Aid and proud of it




.but they DID increase prices when they introduced lower standards.

Perhaps people don't appreciate a Bell Services castmember coming to their arriving taxi to open the door and welcome them to the resort.....The only thing I can guess is some guests are simply not familiar with truly good service.....and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. ....but please Disney, don't tell us you are offering a level of quality and service you obviously are not. )

the reason I highlighted this part of the post: this was our FIRST EXPERIENCE EVER with Disney.

hubby had driven the 1200 miles from north of chicago. we looked like you would imagine we looked. 2 adults, 2 preteen boys, dissheveled, grubby.(with the station wagon with the wood grain on the side) hubby put it is his first trip report, as he crawled out of the car, barely able to stand, pulled into Carribean Beach Resort, looked like "who knows what?", and he stood up and said (in true Clark Griswold fashion") "It's Beautiful!!!!!" and there was a bell hop service member RIGHT there, helping him out of the car, saying, "we understand sir. "we KNOW you have driven a long way. we are HERE to HELP!"
Ok, that was in the late 90"s but the same happened 2 years later, at Dixie landings (now, POR). they made us feel like royalty!
and years later, in 2003, at AKL, same thing. and the next trip after that. even if they couldn't help you right away, you were "welcomed"

for many years, we felt like we were special. of course we were no special than any other guest, but the CMs made us feel that way. that Disney "extra". and we bragged about it to friends and family. you HAVE to go to Disney!!! simple "peons" like US are "special"
now, with staff cuts, etc. the CMS don't know any more than I know!( it reminds me of when I used to shop at the Piggly Wiggly in my home town. they should have PAID me to direct customers , as many times as I heard new employees giving shoppers the wrong directions and I sent them on the "right" paths!:rotfl:)
not that the CMS are "rude". just don't know the answers, aren't trained well, aren't "willing to FIND the answers", and the WHOLE "Illusion" of "YOU ARE A GUEST-YOU ARE THE BEST" is just gone.
(of COURSE I KNEW it was an illusion, but it was a whole part of the.. "we drove here 1200 miles, we parked our car. we are living a dream for the next week or so, we are in a fantasy land until the dream is over" kinda "reality".)
CMS used to treat you like that.. like you could forget about the everyday life... you are IN fantasy land. IT WAS part OF THE whole "PACKAGE"
now I still love going there, but I can't honestly tell my friends you get any better treatment than you get at any other amusement in the country. it doesn't STAND ABOVE the REST, like it use to.. what a shame.
(however, the prices at many of these "sub-par" amusement parks have gone DOWN.)
 
I would agree that their is no doubt that Disney prices have gone up - I will say though that OKW is still the best resort for service, CM's and Value. The staff are consistent - the service in Olivias is better than 5 years ago and the bellhops are very efficent. They always seem to be renevating as well - painting and keeping standards up.
I would also defend MK - I rarely see poor standards there
 
Incidentally, that's also when bag checks were implemented--something that Disney had said they would never do because it sets an adversarial tone for the day, but it had to be done for safety, so we accepted it.

Just had our first trip. I don't mind bag checks at all, we all know why they're necessary. I do, however, wonder how effective they are. We were in and out of parks for three days and had just one thorough bag search. It would be simple to get something into the park strapped to a body or in the pocket of loose clothing. Bag searches are just for show, IMO, so people FEEL safer.
 
Robert A. Iger C.E.O. Disney Corporation

Dear Mr. Iger:

I am writing this on behalf of the many friends, patrons, guests and "lovers" of Disney World, whom have expressed an interest and in some regards, disdain over the direction Disney World has chosen to pursue over the duration of your current tenure. As also a stockholder, though minimal, my interests are also in profit as is the expressed interests of many whom with I have conversed over time. There are two worlds of conflict here that I wish to express to you, if you grace me with the privilege of your attention with this letter.

Before I begin, allow me to preface my thoughts with a few statements. I (we) love "all things Disney". Not just an animated image upon a screen but all that image would espouse in terms of fantasy, imagination and pure joy! Myself, along with any implied or expressed compatriots in this cause, are not only "fans" of Disney but active spending guests (customers) whom have love "all things Disney" for most, if not all of our collective lives. We still do and please accept this communication with the courtesy and respect with which it is offered. As difficult as it may be, your position is enviable. You have the great fortune of being the C.E.O. of an industry that was created for the sole purpose of bringing happiness upon people and especially, children.

What is not "envious" however, is the dire responsibility that goes along with that title. There is a tightrope of running a profitable corporation and one that acts with civil responsibility. Disney, the "Disney Corporation" is unique. It is a mega-entity. It is a monster in terms of corporate giants, yet has to succumb to the most menial among us, children without taking advantage of the same. For these thoughts, I respectfully apologize up front for the following words I am about to write.

There are many of us, lifelong fans of Disney, whom have been guests from our early childhood. Some of us, have become not only regular guests but frequent guests in the parks, hotels and restaurants of Disney. For this letter, please know we only refer to Disney World and not Disneyland. As return guests, many of those for whom I speak, are annual passholders both local and national. We have concerns about the "magic" and how the paradigm of Disney has seemed to change.

To reiterate, all of us are aware that profit is necessary for a corporation to survive. The Magic Kingdom cannot exist if it is losing money, the same with any other Disney endeavor. Of this, we are aware. Not only that, but it is passionately clear, that our "dream" vacation cannot exist, if it is not profitable. In other words, Disney is not in the business of losing money so folks can live their dreams. Disney is in the business of providing a service at a cost to guests whom love the product they provide.

That being said, it has been noticed, that recently Disney has gone further to profit than it has in the past. To put this obvious fact to task, let me mention some points of contention. Turkey Legs in the parks for example, in 5 years have risen in price over 50 percent. Stroller rentals, from $18.00 two years ago, to over $30.00. Parking, has risen to $14.00 from $7.00 just a few years ago. Not only this, but those of us whom lived off of the "Disney Buffets", have not only noticed a major increase in base pricing but the infuriating "holiday surcharge". Forgive me for saying Mr. Iger, but this is nothing short of exploitation.

Sidebar: I spoke to my wife a few years back and told her, that Disney will continue to raise prices until the bottom falls out. Frankly speaking sir, my wife and I have plenty of money to spend on our vacations. We are financially solvent and responsible as are I'm sure, most folks whom travel to Disney are, they have to be, especially now. Though I am not a marketing expert, I have always been amazed at the success of a corporation like Wal-Mart, where a 15% mark-up of cost is the norm and the company thrives. Meanwhile, competitors whom either cannot, or do not sell at that margin, opt for higher margins of profit per item. It feels as though Disney is following the latter example.

Those of us whom have been around long enough, know of the changes and lack of attention to details that had been at times previous, the standard. Now, it appears that Disney seems to be driven by profit alone and guest experience, secondary or worse. While it is true that first timers or one timers will not notice such details, those of us whom return, year after year, dollar after dollar to spend at your parks are being either ignored or marginalized to the point of irrelevance.

I/we have no knowledge of your ledger or how much return guests affect the bottom line. As a small business owner myself, I can say without a doubt, that next to the most important part of your business is your customer, it is mostly, your "return customers". There is no advertising that can compare with word of mouth. In a small business such as my own, one negative voice can be my doom. Not so with Disney. Yet, when a time comes when you get enough voices speaking out against you, even the DVC cannot "right the ship".

We are loyal customers, remember us.

We do not like surcharges. We do not like hidden costs and obscene costs like stroller rentals that challenge even the most open minded guests. We know when we are being gouged, plain and simple. Instead of offering free dining, why not offer: a good price for a room with competitive dining. Frankly speaking sir, there is no comparison to Disney in terms of service, food quality and value..., or at least, not quite yet. But it is coming. Us returning guests are getting angry. We are feeling left out. We don't want gimmicks we don't want "sales". We just want "magic". Disney sells itself. Universal doesn't compare. Trust your product.

TRUST YOUR PRODUCT!

Disney is second to none in terms of fantasy. That is why so many of us come back year after year. That is why so many of us, whom own homes within earshot of "Wishes" spend thousands of dollars a year to stay on property. We want princess' and fairy tales. We don't want to be soaked of our last dime for the bottom line.

End the sales. End the price increases. Focus on the product and return it to the excellence that Walt Disney imagined.

Disney is an American Icon. Nothing else can compare. For that responsibility and that amount of image, the time has come for the Disney Corporation to focus on it's core of supporters whom come back year after year. I don't have the books, I don't know the impact but at the end of the day, I know without a doubt, we affect the bottom line. If we are forgotten or ignored, how much that "affect" has will be known.

Many would choose to just let things go. Some of us, "many" of us, feel as though we are being exploited. We don't like surcharges. We don't like prices rising at a rate several times that of inflation. We don't like the lack of courtesy extended by Cast Members. These things all have changed over time, especially lately. If they change too much, imagine how the profits will fall when not only returning guests stay away but new guests find that their money could be better spent elsewhere.

Respectfully,

A common Disney Fan.
Personally? I think it's way too formal, way too long and that -- for a letter that is supposed to be telling Disney what's wrong -- you spend far more time telling Iger how much you love Disney and what great fans you are of Disney than you do enumerating those things that you truly find to be disappointing or to have gone "down hill". You get dangerously close to being an apologist, by admitting that you understand the need for profit, telling him how great you think his job is, and that you're a stockholder and have those interests as well. You talk about how much you spend at the parks, how much you love "all things Disney", how loyal you are. All that is great, but you spend way more time in your letter telling Disney what a big fan you are than you do telling them what's wrong. I know you're trying to impress upon them that you know what you're talking about and that they should listen to their loyal customers before they lose them, but surely you can do that in fewer paragraphs.

Remember ... Bob probably hasn't read all 60+ pages of this thread.

I'd go a lot less wordy (when I first read this, I could have sworn it was written by bicker ;) ) and get to the point a whole lot sooner. You've got sidebars, reiterations, you say things like "before I get started", which makes the reader think that there's nothing important in that paragraph, or the one before it, because you haven't started yet. You're two paragraphs in, saying "before I get started". You don't make your first specific complaint until paragraph 6. Don't make them dig for what you think is wrong. Pretty prose is nice, but I really do think your point is being completely lost here.

Just my opinion. Heed it or toss it as you see fit.

:earsboy:
 
Personally? I think it's way too formal, way too long and that -- for a letter that is supposed to be telling Disney what's wrong -- you spend far more time telling Iger how much you love Disney and what great fans you are of Disney than you do enumerating those things that you truly find to be disappointing or to have gone "down hill". You get dangerously close to being an apologist, by admitting that you understand the need for profit, telling him how great you think his job is, and that you're a stockholder and have those interests as well. You talk about how much you spend at the parks, how much you love "all things Disney", how loyal you are. All that is great, but you spend way more time in your letter telling Disney what a big fan you are than you do telling them what's wrong. I know you're trying to impress upon them that you know what you're talking about and that they should listen to their loyal customers before they lose them, but surely you can do that in fewer paragraphs.

Remember ... Bob probably hasn't read all 60+ pages of this thread.

I'd go a lot less wordy (when I first read this, I could have sworn it was written by bicker ;) ) and get to the point a whole lot sooner. You've got sidebars, reiterations, you say things like "before I get started", which makes the reader think that there's nothing important in that paragraph, or the one before it, because you haven't started yet. You're two paragraphs in, saying "before I get started". You don't make your first specific complaint until paragraph 6. Don't make them dig for what you think is wrong. Pretty prose is nice, but I really do think your point is being completely lost here.

Just my opinion. Heed it or toss it as you see fit.

:earsboy:
You make a good point in that the letter is long. Otherwise it's pretty well written and thought out. However, why not just mention that you love WDW and visit often and then express the concern? Maybe make it a little simpler.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.












Receive up to $1,000 in Onboard Credit and a Gift Basket!
That’s right — when you book your Disney Cruise with Dreams Unlimited Travel, you’ll receive incredible shipboard credits to spend during your vacation!
CLICK HERE













DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter DIS Bluesky

Back
Top