Do you believe misogyny exists and people should be protected from misogyny?

[gsdweller]

We're literally just trying to survive. We aren't responsible for the actions of men.

You sound like those men who hear about a woman being raped and then they say, "well, what was she wearing?" Or "she shouldn't have been drinking."

Well, you topped it already. That is the most offensive comment I have ever read.
You are dead wrong.

 

[ClaraOswald]

Well, you topped it already. That is the most offensive comment I have ever read.
You are dead wrong.

What am I "dead wrong" about?

 

[barkley]

True but for some it’s reason enough to hate all men.
It’s not right to hate an entire segment of society based on the actions of a few.

absolutely. it would be just as inappropriate to hate all women b/c of the writings and endorsements of valerie solanas.

 

[LuvOrlando]

How about you just come right out and try to insult me straight up instead of with your weakly veiled jibes.

Weak? It isn't a jibe. If you throw around terms like that you should be prepared to defend their use. Also, and more to the point, I don't use Logic Theory to define right from wrong like some animatronic, I use a conscience and I loathe when logic is used in this way because it sounds like a thing is fine until a strong enough argument is made against it. Life isn't some debate class where a win or loss is based on crafting an argument properly. To me this topic is about morality and conscience.

 

[nancipants]

Yeah, but qualifying it doesn't mean that other things aren't true. The topic at hand is misogyny, so we are discussing violence against women.

This thread is like all the people who ask about International Men's Day or demand we have a Straight Pride month during June.

 

[nancipants]

I think one thing that statement before resonated with me...one of the biggest things I have learned is that many men do not understand some of the things that we women just have to deal with every day for our safety. I remember years ago about to walk into a parking garage with my husband. I was driving so before we got to the parking garage I got out my keys and laced them between my fingers. He was like why in the world are you doing that. Every woman I know does this and has done this since we learned to drive to potentially protect ourselves. So just many times men (and yes that is a generalization) just do not realize some things we deal with daily.

Early in our marriage, my husband and I were at an arena (I think it was for a hockey game). During intermission, we went to the bathroom and I brought my drink with me. He asked why I didn't just leave it in the cup holder. I looked at him, dumbfounded. Leave my drink unattended??? That was the number one rule we got drilled into our heads during college orientation. Never, EVER leave your drink unattended or accept a drink you didn't see poured/mixed. Always cover the top and have it in your sight. He was horrified that he'd never thought of that, and that we have to think of that all the time!

 

[pezgirlroy]

Early in our marriage, my husband and I were at an arena (I think it was for a hockey game). During intermission, we went to the bathroom and I brought my drink with me. He asked why I didn't just leave it in the cup holder. I looked at him, dumbfounded. Leave my drink unattended??? That was the number one rule we got drilled into our heads during college orientation. Never, EVER leave your drink unattended or accept a drink you didn't see poured/mixed. Always cover the top and have it in your sight. He was horrified that he'd never thought of that, and that we have to think of that all the time!

Yep. Exactly.

 

[gsdweller]

Weak? It isn't a jibe....

"...or are you out and about in the world enough to be aware on you own?"
"... if you understand what it means."

In the world I come from, these a both passive aggressive attempts at insults. And just generally rude behavior.

 

[LuvOrlando]

"...or are you out and about in the world enough to be aware on you own?"
"... if you understand what it means."

In the world I come from, these a both passive aggressive attempts at insults. And just generally rude behavior.

So you are doubling down on redirection to try to gain some sort of leverage? You think you can put forth the ideas you are espousing and get some kind of moral upper hand? Nope, that is a swing and a miss. Those were legit questions because what you say makes it seem like you are very out of touch and neither out and about nor able to defend use of the term you cited.

Where is your explanation on the use of the Straw Man term and how it is applicable? I am waiting.

 

[gsdweller]

So you are doubling down on redirection to try to gain some sort of leverage? You think you can put forth the ideas you are espousing and get some kind of moral upper hand? Nope, that is a swing and a miss.

Where is your explanation on the use of the Straw Man term and how it is applicable? I am waiting.

Wait all you want.
You people know nothing about me, yet make accusations that you would never dare make face to face.

I stated that young men were being left behind. I posted multiple data sets supporting that. You should check them out.

 

[DCLMP]

agree (and I've seen the reverse happen with males hiring into traditionally female dominated fields) but I don't think all traditionally male dominated fields are inherently toxic towards females and that there have been TREMENDOUS and intentional strides in addressing, reducing and eliminating toxicity.

As someone who has worked in a female dominated field for three decades. Females are toxic to each other. The pettiness and backstabbing is over they top. The best thing that has happened over the last year is more men joining the field. It's made for a much better working environment.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Early in our marriage, my husband and I were at an arena (I think it was for a hockey game). During intermission, we went to the bathroom and I brought my drink with me. He asked why I didn't just leave it in the cup holder. I looked at him, dumbfounded. Leave my drink unattended??? That was the number one rule we got drilled into our heads during college orientation. Never, EVER leave your drink unattended or accept a drink you didn't see poured/mixed. Always cover the top and have it in your sight. He was horrified that he'd never thought of that, and that we have to think of that all the time!

I have two friends who were drugged as adult women when out for ladies night with friends, one was with friends with the rule to stick together and they ended up puking in shrubs together and couldn't get their husbands to believe that it wasn't from drinking. The other, it was much worse but it happened on her first night out after having a baby and she thinks it was the bartender. I am pretty sure someone slipped me something in a casino once about 10 years ago when I appeared to be by myself but I was really holding a spot for DH and other couples who dropped me off. By the time DH showed up I needed to lean on my girlfriends to walk straight to get to the ladies room, I had precisely one beer and ended up so bad I woke up feeling drunk the next day, there is no way it was the one beer. I don't remember anyone being near enough or standing out

I was with DH driving once late in the evening leaving a store and he pulled over in the parking lot to random spot to grab for his phone which had slipped in between seats. I was shocked because there was a woman walking nearby and I pressed him to move on to another space away from her, assuming he didn't see her walking alone. DH just kept on looking completely not understanding why I was upset. DH did move but complained about me not making any sense, why did it matter the woman was there, what was I talking about? That was it, in that moment I realized that as a strong healthy white man it was likely he has never, in his entire life, felt a moment of fear from such an everyday thing. I made him aware as best as I could that for a woman walking alone in an isolated place a man suddenly stopping his vehicle near her will likely cause deep fear, and while I think he sort of gets it now I also know that deep down he will never know that sort of vulnerability and fear.

There are so many countless experiences we all have and stories we hear, all the time. It is a different world for us, it shouldn't be but it is.

 

[DCLMP]

Women CAN get by just fine without men though. That's just a fact.

Women are also allowed to have standards and not settle for companionship with a horrible type of partner.

Don't you have a son and a husband Clara?

 

[DCLMP]

Actually, that isn't true. At some point it might be, but right now it isn't.

For example, if the power grid dropped out in California right now, and all the men in the world disappeared at the same time, power would never be restored. It is not that women aren't capable of doing the job, it is just that there are not near enough women trained to do it.

It is the same in transportation, shipping, construction and the rest of the trades. Women could of course do the jobs, but right now there are not enough capable women in those industries to support the rest of society if there were no men.

Women aren't as physically strong as men and they never will be. I suppose I could get by without any men in my life, but I would have to hire one every time I needed something done around the house that I'm not strong enough to do.

Women need men. Men need women. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

There are definitely women that are stronger than men. Like that's just an insane thing to say. That you are not physically strong doesn't mean you need a man. You just need someone stronger than you--which could be someone who is male or female.

 

[Allison]

Don't you have a son and a husband Clara?

How is that relevant?

 

[LuvOrlando]

Anyone else wondering why some are dropping in just to be disruptive?

They aren't actually discussing the topic at hand, which is misogyny, and they aren't even countering the subject of misogyny with countless examples of how women are celebrated in life because the celebration of women is actually the opposite of misogyny. Not seeing a whole lot of love.

What some are doing is either saying why women deserve it or why it is ok to push against equality because equality is some kind of a threat to their version of the world, but what those who disagree are not doing is showing why misogyny is not a thing. Not really a counter argument at all is it?

Nonsense

 

[DCLMP]

Anyone else wondering why some are dropping in just to be disruptive?

They aren't actually discussing the topic at hand, which is misogyny, and they aren't even countering the subject of misogyny with countless examples of how women are celebrated in life because the celebration of women is actually the opposite of misogyny. Not seeing a whole lot of love.

What some are doing is either saying why women deserve it or why it is ok to push against equality because equality is some kind of a threat to their version of the world, but what those who disagree are not doing is showing why misogyny is not a thing. Not really a counter argument at all is it?

Nonsense

Because there are so many comments about women not needing men which has absolutely nothing to do with misogyny either. It's such a ridiculous statement.
Carry on. Maybe you can get it back on track.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Because there are so many comments about women not needing men which has absolutely nothing to do with misogyny either. It's such a ridiculous statement.
Carry on. Maybe you can get it back on track.

Maybe it is the choice of words that is throwing this off and is the sticking point. Do you take the comments to mean men are worthless? If so, then to be clear, men absolutely have worth. A good kind gentle man is worth his weight in gold.

My DH is my best friend and I adore him, his presence makes me feel safe and has been a comfort for the past 35 years together but I, as a Gen X mother of 2 a boy and a girl, would still never use the word need. I don't need anything but myself but I choose DH and he chooses me.

In 2025 the word need usually suggests co-dependency and a lack of autonomy so maybe there is a generation gap with regard to the communication taking place and causing a great deal of discordance.

 

[hrhdhd]

Maybe it is the choice of words that is throwing this off and is the sticking point. Do you take the comments to mean men are worthless? If so, then to be clear, men absolutely have worth. A good kind gentle man is worth his weight in gold.

My DH is my best friend and I adore him, his presence makes me feel safe and has been a comfort for the past 35 years together but I, as a Gen X mother of 2 a boy and a girl, would still never use the word need. I don't need anything but myself but I choose DH and he chooses me.

In 2025 the word need usually suggests co-dependency and a lack of autonomy so maybe there is a generation gap with regard to the communication taking place and causing a great deal of discordance.

I'm Gen X, have been married for almost 31 years, and I need my husband. And he needs me. No generation gap, more of a mindset gap. It's not embarrassing to me that I need my husband..

Edit: To add, of course I chose him back in 1988, but I don't choose him every day. I need him every day.